Fuji officially announces M Adapter...

[rxmd]

Originally Posted by photomoof

I still don't understand how that would work, the adapter is just not deep enough for a mechanical cam roller.

Isn't that basically what I said in the first posting you quoted? (Emphasis added)

[kermaier]

Originally Posted by palec

Most 35mm lenses marked as not mountable? Interesting, I wouldn't call 35mm focal length problematic.

It looks like the lenses with the more deeply-protruding rear elements are flagged, no?

[palec]

Originally Posted by kermaier

It looks like the lenses with the more deeply-protruding rear elements are flagged, no?

Well, Summilux 35 v1 and Summicron 35 V4 (marked in list as 3rd 1980年～) have minimal protruding rears (and are not supported according to list), much less then Summicron 35 ASPH or Elmarit 28 v3 (which are are supported).

[kermaier]

Originally Posted by palec

Well, Summilux 35 v1 and Summicron 35 V4 (marked in list as 3rd 1980年～) have minimal protruding rears (and are not supported according to list), much less then Summicron 35 ASPH or Elmarit 28 v3 (which are are supported).

Hmm. I thought there was some physical issue that made the pre-Ashperical 'Lux problematic on the M8/M9? Same for the early production of the CV 35/1.2 Nokton v1, I think. But that does seem odd about the v4 'Cron....

[noimmunity]

Originally Posted by jsrockit

My M9 will be sold soon... (but not because of the adapter).

Good time to make that move.
Look forward to seeing your reports on the X2.

[ananobes]

My hopes for this adapter are much more simple.... and they are that it will:

* make the OVF actually usable!

With fuji lenses the brightness of the information displayed in the OVF (framelines, ISO, shutter speed ect) changes automatically depending on the brightness of the scene.

With legacy lenses this does not happen... rendering the OVF useless in most bright conditions such as an outdoor scene during daylight. Left with only the EVF the XP1 is just another EVIL camera first attempt with a number of usability flaws.

Please give me the ability to set focus with EVF or OVF and then use the OVF to frame and set exposure.

Oh... any maybe also:

* allow exposure compensation in full manual mode

Being restricted to the full stop settings of the shutter speed dial is ridiculousness.

[dougi]

Originally Posted by ananobes

My hopes for this adapter are much more simple.... and they are that it will:

* make the OVF actually usable!

With fuji lenses the brightness of the information displayed in the OVF (framelines, ISO, shutter speed ect) changes automatically depending on the brightness of the scene.

With legacy lenses this does not happen... rendering the OVF useless in most bright conditions such as an outdoor scene during daylight. Left with only the EVF the XP1 is just another EVIL camera first attempt with a number of usability flaws.

Please give me the ability to set focus with EVF or OVF and then use the OVF to frame and set exposure.

Oh... any maybe also:

* allow exposure compensation in full manual mode

Being restricted to the full stop settings of the shutter speed dial is ridiculousness.

Hopefully, given that it is a smart adapter, it will know that a lens it attached and will provide the correct OVF brightness. We will have to wait and see!

[willie_901]

I use the OVF/EVF toggle method frequently with the Fujinon lenses. I would hope Fuji adds a zoom option with a lower magnification because of my shaky hands. Having normal, mid and high zoom modes would be useful. With the XP1 fine adjustments with the 35/1.4 fly-by-wire focus barrel are not a problem. I would expect an analog lens would be even easier to focus once the focus was close.

[mouren]

Originally Posted by ananobes

* allow exposure compensation in full manual mode

Being restricted to the full stop settings of the shutter speed dial is ridiculousness.

You can do that by pressing the left and right button on the back. Yes, the dial is in full stop, but with the left and right arrows, you can change in 1/3 steps in either direction.

This is in the manual btw.

[f16sunshine]

The lens compatibility list makes no sense. I guess we have to wait and see.

[jsrockit]

Originally Posted by noimmunity

Look forward to seeing your reports on the X2.

I'll try to post some photos within weeks of getting the camera. I'm not the testing type... it either works or it doesn't. However, I'll at least be able to say how I think it compares to the X1, the X100, the GXR, and the X-Pro1.

[david.elliott]

Originally Posted by willie_901

I use the OVF/EVF toggle method frequently with the Fujinon lenses. I would hope Fuji adds a zoom option with a lower magnification because of my shaky hands. Having normal, mid and high zoom modes would be useful. With the XP1 fine adjustments with the 35/1.4 fly-by-wire focus barrel are not a problem. I would expect an analog lens would be even easier to focus once the focus was close.

I would love a lower magnification option.

[ananobes]

Originally Posted by mouren

You can do that by pressing the left and right button on the back. Yes, the dial is in full stop, but with the left and right arrows, you can change in 1/3 steps in either direction.

This is in the manual btw.

Great pick-up mouren. That's another work-around happily. But, that's all it appears to be, a happy coincidence.

I checked the manual and under Manual Exposure p.27 it makes no mention of being able to adjust the shutter speed in 1/3 increments, with the use of the selector switch or in any other way. Good pickup.

Although, it is mentioned under Program AE (P) p.24 and Long Time Exposure p.28

For Program AE (P) I quote:

"Program Shift : If desired, you can press the selector left or right to other combinations of shutter speed and aperture without altering exposure (program shift)."

It goes on to say that this is not available if "an auto option is selected for ISO in the shooting menu". Well, program shift isn't but changing the exposure is. The selector switch will change either the ISO (if Auto ISO is selected) or shutter speed as you picked up.

This appears to be just another undocumented operation of a camera whose firmware appears written by non photographers whose only previous camera experience was with their phone.

For Long Time Exposure (T/B) it again does not appear relevant, being available to select speeds between 2 and 30 seconds.

Like the operation of the AE-L/AF-L button I find many aspects of the XP1 incomplete, illogical, complicated and often totally random (undocumented).

As a result I am waiting on this M adapter and new firmware in the hope things improve. As it stands and without Adobe raw support I will use my other cameras and leave the XP1 on the desk.

[aleksanderpolo]

Originally Posted by f16sunshine

The lens compatibility list makes no sense. I guess we have to wait and see.

Andy,

1. Fuji has 35/1.4
2. Almost all modern 35mm lens are incompatible

Coincidence? I think not

P.S. 50mm frameline is not one of the preset... um...

[viboons]

One of my concern about using M lens with XPRO1 is soft edge with most of my lens. Hope the Fuji adaptor fix this issue.

[mabelsound]

Originally Posted by viboons

One of my concern about using M lens with XPRO1 is soft edge with most of my lens. Hope the Fuji adaptor fix this issue.

Absolutely no chance.

[semilog]

Any 39mm-to-M adaptor should fit into the Fuji adaptor. So effectively, yes.

[CVickery]

Originally Posted by kermaier

It looks like the lenses with the more deeply-protruding rear elements are flagged, no?

I thought that might be the issue, but my ZM 21/4.5 has a very deep rear element and it's flagged as OK. The description they have of the Summicron 35s' seem a little off as well, mine is a version IV AFAIK, but they seem to call it a '3rd' (according to Fuji) and also a 'no go'. The Summicron barely protrudes past the lens mount. I've been trying to figure out this issue and have drawn a blank.


Sorry...noticed a similar response further on in the thread.

[jsrockit]

Originally Posted by kermaier

It looks like the lenses with the more deeply-protruding rear elements are flagged, no?

I used the c-biogon on the Fuji and it has a large rear element. Some of them listed don't have anything protruding past the mount. Weird.

[semilog]

I think this has more to do with whether the lens has a Fuji-sponsored correction profile and less to do with mechanical interference.

[CVickery]

Originally Posted by semilog

I think this has more to do with whether the lens has a Fuji-sponsored correction profile and less to do with mechanical interference.

If you read the instructions for the adapter, I think you'll find that there are no profiles. You have to define the settings for each focal length for distortion, peripheral illumination and color shading. The focal length choices are 21mm, 24mm, 28mm and 35mm plus 2 more user defined focal lengths (probably EVF only).

http://www.fujifilm.com/products/dig...ter/index.html

I would think that perhaps the lenses in question require settings beyond the range offered, but the ZM21/4.5 is noted for being a difficult lens to correct and is OK for the Fuji. ???

[CVickery]

Reading further, I notice that the adapter comes with a gauge to determine is a lens is compatible. It would seem that there is a physical restriction for some lenses. Perhaps diameter of the rear element?

[segedi]

More likely depth of the rear element is the reason for the gauge. The Ricoh A12 M mount also comes with one of these. If the lens is too deep it would smash into the sensor.

[CVickery]

Originally Posted by segedi

More likely depth of the rear element is the reason for the gauge. The Ricoh A12 M mount also comes with one of these. If the lens is too deep it would smash into the sensor.

As I noted before, that's not true of the lenses that aren't compatible. The ZM21/4.5 for example protrudes well into the body and is compatible and the Summicron 35 barely goes deeper than the mount but isn't compatible. That's why some of us are confused about the compatible list.

[Contarama]

I don't know but everytime someone says smash or crash into the sensor I about freak out...