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Old 05-19-2012   #81
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Excellent thread. I've pulled my X1 out to shoot this weekend after reading this. I love it, only gripe is the autofocus which I've never really mastered. I might consider a x2 if they improved the focus. Manual focus or scale focus is awesome.

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I'll have to read through the manual, but I don't quite get how the manual focus works.

My only other gripe with the X1 is the LCD screen resolution - but I have used the M9 and it's the same thing.

Also I do feel like it could be dropped easily. I may get the little grip accessory for it.

...and one more thing - is it possible to shoot DNG only and not have to shoot a jpg along with it? The jpgs are a waste of space for me.
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I'll have to read through the manual, but I don't quite get how the manual focus works.

My only other gripe with the X1 is the LCD screen resolution - but I have used the M9 and it's the same thing.

Also I do feel like it could be dropped easily. I may get the little grip accessory for it.

...and one more thing - is it possible to shoot DNG only and not have to shoot a jpg along with it? The jpgs are a waste of space for me.

Manual Focus is via the bottom button on the right side within the round dial. You can set Auto and Autofocus (which extends the range that Auto has to include the closer focus), and the MF which can be locked by pressing the delete/focus button on the left side for 2 seconds. The manual goes through all of this and it is not difficult. The scale focus screen pops up when you spin the wheel dial and you can set the range for scale focus.

There are a lot of ins and outs:

1. Forget the LCD screen except to be sure you like the big things such as framing, WB, general idea of focus. Later you can watch the other settings but not necessary to start with. An external VF with scale focus is a joy to work with...instantaneous images upon shutter release and much more fun than live view.

2. Set the menu item for DNG + jpeg but set the jpeg at 3mb so it doesn't take up much space. But, there are many times a fine jpeg is plenty good so don't just dismiss it as useless.

3. The handgrip is nice, I am sure but having never needed one I can't say. The A&A half case has a grip on the front and it makes the whole thing much easier to grip whilst protecting the camera itself.
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Ahhh...

Flickriver is now starting with the Leica X2 photos from Mr. Hoveeto...and Mingthein...
http://www.flickriver.com/search/leica+x2/

Will be interesting to watch this link as new photos are posted to Flickr.

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Damn! I just bought one! Darn it Dave.

Whoa!!! Congratulations, my man! That is too cool....

Now ya gotta start a "Post Your X2 Photos" thread... Because we wanna see 'em!

BTW, which color and accessories did you buy?
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Silver. No accessories. On my X1 I have a thumbs up and a wriststrap. I will try it without both to make it more pocketable. If I need a strap I'll put a Gordy String mount on, easier to fold up and pocket. I'll leave my options open until I use it. I have a D-Lux 5 with a EVF. I don't use the EVF much since it adds so much to the size. On the X1 I do use a 28/35 Cosina optical viewfinder about 1/2 the time. When in use I shut off the screen, it seems to focus faster but you don't know what it's focusing on. All options are open. I'll shoot it right away and post.
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Me thinks the X2 could be a PURRfect digital
To accompany my M4

Love it's rendering of B& W and the Colour it does 'Pops' beautifully

Question though: is it really so much better than the X1
Because I have seen X1's minty condt for about 13-$1400.00
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Silver. No accessories. On my X1 I have a thumbs up and a wriststrap. I will try it without both to make it more pocketable. If I need a strap I'll put a Gordy String mount on, easier to fold up and pocket. I'll leave my options open until I use it. I have a D-Lux 5 with a EVF. I don't use the EVF much since it adds so much to the size. On the X1 I do use a 28/35 Cosina optical viewfinder about 1/2 the time. When in use I shut off the screen, it seems to focus faster but you don't know what it's focusing on. All options are open. I'll shoot it right away and post.
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Jim, can't wait! Hey, I have been using the Op-Tech finger cuff (something like $4.00!!!) on the loaner and it takes a little getting used to but disappears when you use it and you never notice it when it's in the case. I bought for the departed XA2 and used it on the IIIF but it is perfect on the X body.

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Me thinks the X2 could be a PURRfect digital
To accompany my M4

Love it's rendering of B& W and the Colour it does 'Pops' beautifully

Question though: is it really so much better than the X1
Because I have seen X1's minty condt for about 13-$1400.00

Helen, the X1 is quite the camera I hoped for and although it is hard for me to get used to thinking like a 35mm shooter, it is wonderful to use. The X2 can only be better, I would think but the X1 does have only a slow AF to really grumble about if one is used to quicker AF action. Me? I work around it and have no problem.

Minty X1's are going for around $800-1000 with no accessories. Except for the post above where one of our members (lucky dog), got it all for $700.
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Helen, the X1 is quite the camera I hoped for and although it is hard for me to get used to thinking like a 35mm shooter, it is wonderful to use. The X2 can only be better, I would think but the X1 does have only a slow AF to really grumble about if one is used to quicker AF action. Me? I work around it and have no problem.

Minty X1's are going for around $800-1000 with no accessories. Except for the post above where one of our members (lucky dog), got it all for $700.
Jeez for that price Dave 800. -1000.00 minty....someone please let me know
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It appears this one is ISO 12800 (I hope):

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It appears this one is ISO 12800 (I hope):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/terakop...n/photostream/
Ouch ... A little too much noise for my Taste
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Helen, the X1 is quite the camera I hoped for and although it is hard for me to get used to thinking like a 35mm shooter, it is wonderful to use. The X2 can only be better, I would think but the X1 does have only a slow AF to really grumble about if one is used to quicker AF action. Me? I work around it and have no problem.

Minty X1's are going for around $800-1000 with no accessories. Except for the post above where one of our members (lucky dog), got it all for $700.
Actually $640 (with all accessories too) - not to rub it in
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It appears this one is ISO 12800 (I hope):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/terakop...n/photostream/

Nah...no data anywhere on what camera, iso, nothing!

Here is a documented ISO 12,500 image:

http://www.magezinepublishing.com/eq...1337200704.jpg

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I don't know. I tried holding the x1 for a few shots in the shop when I was last there (Yesterday). It feels a bit to slippery for me. I agree Sort of like.. "digital Barnack" but, I felt worried to cradle it around the body and to the base of the lens when at the ready (extended). You know like you might hold a camera at the ready. Maybe with a thumbs up or half case with a grip. It can't just be me. The camera is a bit too cute in it's design. A grip on the shutter side would be most welcome.
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I don't know. I tried holding the x1 for a few shots in the shop when I was last there (Yesterday). It feels a bit to slippery for me. I agree Sort of like.. "digital Barnack" but, I felt worried to cradle it around the body and to the base of the lens when at the ready (extended). You know like you might hold a camera at the ready. Maybe with a thumbs up or half case with a grip. It can't just be me. The camera is a bit too cute in it's design. A grip on the shutter side would be most welcome.
Yes, it is slippery. That is why I said the A&A half case solves that problem quite well! The X2 with a leather cover may be grippier but a half case protects as well as adds better grip.
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Certainly not indicative of 6400 in other photographers' posts. Go back to my link.
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Ah, yes, the discussion on dpreview:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=41533039

Not RAW files... the discussion will explain.
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This has been posted before:

http://blog.mingthein.com/2012/05/11/leica-review-1/

Cannot afford a pay-site so haven't read Sean Reid's report. If anyone has his review summary, please let us know.
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I don't know. I tried holding the x1 for a few shots in the shop when I was last there (Yesterday). It feels a bit to slippery for me. I agree Sort of like.. "digital Barnack" but, I felt worried to cradle it around the body and to the base of the lens when at the ready (extended). You know like you might hold a camera at the ready. Maybe with a thumbs up or half case with a grip. It can't just be me. The camera is a bit too cute in it's design. A grip on the shutter side would be most welcome.
The hand grip made by Leica, or a Thumbs Up REALLY help to give a secure grip. I tried both and kept the Leica grip. I got leery of the way the Thumbs Up torqued the shoe on top of the camera. I wondered whether it would loosen it up too much in the long term.
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To get me excited for the X2 I used the X1 today. Manual focus is really the way to go, both of these were F2.8 manual focus ISO 200. Curve adjustment, light sharpening and crop (80%). Can't wait for the X2 to be better.




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...Cannot afford a pay-site so haven't read Sean Reid's report. If anyone has his review summary, please let us know.
Sean gives it a good review, saying its most direct competitor is the X100, while comparing it directly also with the Ricoh and new Pentax and putting it in context with NEX etc. The X2's AF is now like the X100, about 2x better than X1, while manual settings are faster and easier on the Leica. But he wishes it had the X100 viewfinder...
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Sean gives it a good review, saying its most direct competitor is the X100, while comparing it directly also with the Ricoh and new Pentax and putting it in context with NEX etc. The X2's AF is now like the X100, about 2x better than X1, while manual settings are faster and easier on the Leica. But he wishes it had the X100 viewfinder...

Thank you, Doug...

I actually prefer the external VF with scale focus...quick, easy, and the result is also aesthetically similar to the IIIF with an external VF. A pain to take off and put on? Not really, nor more so than taking of my Levi's and putting them on in the mornings, but they still look like Levi's, still work like Levi's and they are absolutely Levi's. I still prefer my Levi's.
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Some high ISO stuff:

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Thanks, John....those samples are impossible for me to decipher (just not a geek, I guess?), so I will wait for real world postings and the ones I have seen already, especially by Mingthein are superb.

One thing about that link, the article on the page preceding the photos shows the X2 and X1 side by side. It appears that the top plate and maybe the bottom plate are slightly thicker, maybe giving the X2 a small increase in both height and weight? Hardly noticeable if it is...
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...also aesthetically similar to the IIIF with an external VF.
speaking of aesthetics - One thing about the X2 I am not crazy about is the slightly raised shoe mount vs the flat on the X1. Wish they kept it the same, but I am sure there is a reason for it, most likely to accommodate the EVF.
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speaking of aesthetics - One thing about the X2 I am not crazy about is the slightly raised shoe mount vs the flat on the X1. Wish they kept it the same, but I am sure there is a reason for it, most likely to accommodate the EVF.
Yes, but it will grow on me over time for sure. Just imagine if they had to accommodate an internal VF. It would make the camera much less like the X1, much taller and heavier, and less flexible, IMO, as well as lose the legacy design of the Leica I-III cameras and become more like the IIIG. The IIIG is certainly a fantastic camera but the purity of the design and increased size had to be a reality to increase the relatively huge VF.

BTW, anyone else tried shooting without the LCD on? It is almost a shock, I had to think again!
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I liked this video on the X2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSowv...e_gdata_player

It seems to me, as I whittle my equipment desires down to the barest essentials, that the competition is between having the M9 fitted with a Color Skopar 35mm f/2.5 and the X2. The M9 wins on the larger format for more focus zone control and the fact that the viewfinder is built in. The X2 wins on being smaller, lighter, and having AF. I love the simplicity of the controls on both these cameras—having spent the weekend traveling and shooting with my GXR and two lenses, it does make a substantive difference to how I see.

Hmm hmm hmm. I may have to have an X2. Next year, tho: I'd rather put a lot more time into using the M9 with just a 35 or 40mm lens first. :-)
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Looking for filters, macro capability, and overall cool pimp mods?

http://compare.ebay.com/like/3207374...Types&var=sbar

Using the Kiwi adaptor with a step-up adaptor, you can add the close-up lenses very easily.

Surprisingly affordable, and easy to assemble or reverse.
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Well, he didn't mention anything about the AF sucking still...so I guess Leica did fix this. I'm just trying to figure out how to get the cash. I'll have to sell some things in order to get this.
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Cool!

When can I expect to be served with papers?

John, this is like sheet music where each post is a note, high or low, and then there are pauses in between. Short and long notes (posts) with those longer pauses eliciting emotion and anticipation until a post like yours, brings it to a crescendo! Then, follows other pauses, notes and even more crescendoes!!! Who can resist this?

And that, your Honor, is my affirmative defense!

Congratulations on the X2 and btw, which color did you order?
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after the huge x100 impact , the x2 has created a lot of expectation.....i guess the prices of the x1 will raise again and it will be granted the "position" it deserves between the universe of cameras....
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It looks like a very nice rig. Tempted.

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Very nice, John. I'm still waiting for a Leica response to my inquiry about the X1 handgrip and batteries fitting again on the X2. Looking forward to a nice black X2 with stiffer dials and faster AF... and hope to soon read your first user feedback here...
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Congratulations on the X2 and btw, which color did you order?
Thanks Dave (and others). I hope I did the right thing here. I ordered the silver one. I will buy the OVF too, but haven't yet. Looks fancier to my eyes (the silver vs. black). Now I have to go sell some stuff (M9, all lenses, X100, etc).
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Old 05-22-2012   #119
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Thanks Dave (and others). I hope I did the right thing here. I ordered the silver one. I will buy the OVF too, but haven't yet. Looks fancier to my eyes (the silver vs. black). Now I have to go sell some stuff (M9, all lenses, X100, etc).
Ha, that silver is a looker, isn't it?

Just hang onto any body parts, you might need 'em someday. Are you going to buy that really nice brown Leica case? Or a Luigi?
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Are you going to buy that really nice brown Leica case? Or a Luigi?
No, I don't use cases. Just a black label silk neck strap (the most comfortable for me without looking ridiculous) and an OVF. I'm pretty minimal. No cases, grips, or thumbs-up things for me. Not sure when it'll ship though.
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