Anyone still do slide shows?

[blw]

I would if I could...I still have a 6x6 projector and plenty of glass mounts for more slides. My problems are multiple though...

First...E6 processing is hard to get. Mail order is probably my only option now and that is prohibitively expensive. A roll of 35mm runs close to $20 for developing and scanning to CD. However, I can take that same roll to my local CVS, have it developed in C41 and scanned to CD for less than $10. Medium format might as well not exist for me now (color-wise anyway) because of the cost and the fact my only medium format camera is my holga.

Second...if I did spring for 35mm slides, my projector broke years ago and I quit looking for a replacement because of cost. Perhaps they're cheaper now?

Third...if I bit the bullet and shot medium format in my holga and bit another bullet to have it developed, I'd still have to cut and mount the film myself and that takes time that seems hard to come by most days.


So unfortunately...as much as I love a good slide show, it seems these hurdles are too much for me (personally) to overcome to put on slide shows.

Oh yeah...there's a fourth problem for me to project slides. A lack of willing victims to view said slide show.

[daveleo]

I have never seen any image better than a projected slide in a dark room.

Sadly, my slides and projector sit idle while I view images on this 10" uncalibrated netbook at 96px/inch with the porch window behind me reflecting its glare on the screen.

[marcr1230]

If anyone wants a Kodak 4400 carousel projector and 3 trays (for personal use - not immediate resale please) , it's yours for the taking - pm me. it's just taking up space in my garage

Update - the is no longer current , the slide projector has now been adopted by an RFF member

[CNNY]

Originally Posted by marcr1230

If anyone wants a Kodak 4400 carousel projector and 3 trays (for personal use - not immediate resale please) , it's yours for the taking - pm me. it's just taking up space in my garage

That is a very generous offer, and someone should snap it up.
I stopped mounting slides years ago, when I realized it makes more sense to scan them unmounted. I do have thousands of mounted slides, mostly shot in the 90's, as well as my dad's efforts sitting at my parents house. Next time I visit I plan on firing up my Rollei Twin with automatic cross fading, to take a trip down memory lane.

[pagpow]

Originally Posted by Schlapp

Just sent off 3 rolls of 120 E6. Some 6x6 and some 6x9. Hoping to present them in frames with opaque back to hang in windows and the like.

That would be interesting Schlapp. I'm thinking you mean translucent, not opaque, and you should be aware that that sort of exposure will lead to quick fading. Show us some when you've done it.
Giorgio

[andredossantos]

Only when I'm trying to get info out of an enemy agent

[HHPhoto]

Originally Posted by Vickko

Anyone still do slide shows?

Of course we do slide projection!
Because it is by far the best quality you can achieve.

A projected slide is sharper and much more brillant than a print of the same size.
And the print is limited with its maximum contrast at about 5-5,5 stops (max. contrast from black to white).
But a transparency can deliver a max. contrast of up to 10 stops (dependant on the film).
And a projected slide cost you less than a buck.
A print of 1m x 1,5m or 2m x 3m cost you several hundert bucks!
With slide projection you get the biggest, most impressive pictures with best quality at the lowest price.

And slide projection is much, much better than digital projection with a beamer:
Slide projection: Absolutely unsurpassed quality (brillance, sharpness, resolution, fine grain, tonality) at that big enlargements.
I've compared slide projection with excellent projection lenses to the current most expensive beamers (2 MP; 7000€).
The result is absolutely clear: Slide projection is a league of its own. Far superior resolution and sharpness, better brillance and tonality, much better color reproduction.
The most expensive beamers can not compete at all with slide projection.
With beamers you have the situation that you pay e.g. 7000€ for a 24 MP Nikon D3x, and then you pay another 7000€ to smash this resolution down to the extremely low resolution of 2 MP with the beamer (and the 2 MP are only valid in horizontal direction, in vertical direction you have even 40% less resolution).
You burn more than 10,000€ to get crappy results. Digital projection is completely ridiculous in it's cost - performance relation.

You may have a look at this thread:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...=116255&page=3

Cheers, Jan

[DrTebi]

HHPhoto has said it all... I second everything mentioned.

I am a big fan of slide projection. I have several projectors, 35mm, 6x6, and an old "Lantern" which can do 6x9.

35mm slide projection is great, but medium format slides are breath-taking... you've got to see it to believe it.

There are quite a few things that I learned along the way, here are some:

• The difference between a 150 watt and a 250 watt projector is bigger than you may think. Opt for the latter if you can.
• You don't necessarily need a projection screen. A well painted white wall does provide quite nice results.
• Glass mounts are generally preferred, but not the only thing that is necessary to get an edge to edge sharpness. The projector should sit at the right height, the screen should be perfectly flat, and the projection lens of good quality. I find it quite tricky to get all factors perfect.
• Autofocus is great, when it works. Many older slide projectors need the autofocus functionality restored, otherwise you may end up with a "hunting" autofocus.
• For the projection of 3D slides, the screen must be a silver screen.
• My computer needs about 25 seconds to boot, my slide projector turns on instantly

These are my personal findings, you may disagree... let me know if you do.

[rbsinto]

I do because E-6 is all I shoot.
I gave a talk on street photography to a camera club about two months ago and showed them two slide shows to help explain what I do and how I do it.
They were very receptive, and I'm sure some of the younger members had never seen a slide presentation before.

[Asim]

If E6 were to be discontinued, so would my photography. I am never impressed by photos as much as I am with them when projected. I have projected MF but I stick to 35mm because of the weight savings... and you don't need to glass mount 35mm slides.

And here's how dedicated I am...
Nowadays people need to see their photo the instant they shoot it... so they look on the back of their digital cameras.

I shoot slide film, store them in my fridge when each roll is fnished, and then when I visit the US, Canada, or some place that has a good lab... which is usually once a year, then I'll take all my rolls and get them developed together. So I don't see my photos for a year usually. I work in international schools so end up moving around quite a bit. Currently I'm in Turkey and I'll be here for another year. I managed to develop a couple of dozen rolls this past summer and I think I'll manage to have another dozen or so by this coming summer.

[Chris101]

I have built machines that incorporated slide projectors in them. For these I rephotographed my prints using a copy stand to make the slides. I haven't shot slides natively for a very long time.

[pdexposures]

I love projecting, and have gotten the girlfriend into it as well. We took a trip to Seattle a few months back for a long weekend and I have her a Stylus Epic and more slide film than she knew what to do with. When we came home she sent of her film and was amazed at what came back. It helps that I bought her a slide projector for christmas too.

Now that summer is rolling around and we are finally getting some sun I will be shooting more slide. Although I still have about 4 rolls from last year that I never got around to developing.

[CNNY]

Originally Posted by Schlapp

Just sent off 3 rolls of 120 E6. Some 6x6 and some 6x9. Hoping to present them in frames with opaque back to hang in windows and the like.

I would strongly recommend making duplicates and presenting those. I have done exhibitions with original slide materials in light boxes, and they pretty much start fading from the start. If you want to display images for longer periods, have reproductions made on ilfochrome or similar, which are designed for that purpose. Even these professional display materials fade eventually, but at least you are not destroying your originals.

[DrTebi]

Originally Posted by Asim

If E6 were to be discontinued, so would my photography. I am never impressed by photos as much as I am with them when projected. I have projected MF but I stick to 35mm because of the weight savings... and you don't need to glass mount 35mm slides.

And here's how dedicated I am...
Nowadays people need to see their photo the instant they shoot it... so they look on the back of their digital cameras.

I shoot slide film, store them in my fridge when each roll is fnished, and then when I visit the US, Canada, or some place that has a good lab... which is usually once a year, then I'll take all my rolls and get them developed together. So I don't see my photos for a year usually. I work in international schools so end up moving around quite a bit. Currently I'm in Turkey and I'll be here for another year. I managed to develop a couple of dozen rolls this past summer and I think I'll manage to have another dozen or so by this coming summer.

Wow, I don't think I would have the patience to wait a year to see all the slides I shot! Have you thought about developing yourself? I heard it is not that complicated with E6...

[BobYIL]

Originally Posted by Asim

If E6 were to be discontinued, so would my photography. I am never impressed by photos as much as I am with them when projected. I have projected MF but I stick to 35mm because of the weight savings... and you don't need to glass mount 35mm slides.

And here's how dedicated I am...
Nowadays people need to see their photo the instant they shoot it... so they look on the back of their digital cameras.

I shoot slide film, store them in my fridge when each roll is fnished, and then when I visit the US, Canada, or some place that has a good lab... which is usually once a year, then I'll take all my rolls and get them developed together. So I don't see my photos for a year usually. I work in international schools so end up moving around quite a bit. Currently I'm in Turkey and I'll be here for another year. I managed to develop a couple of dozen rolls this past summer and I think I'll manage to have another dozen or so by this coming summer.

Asim, you do not need to wait for long. Just visit Pamuk Ticaret in Sirkeci, they can help you with a first class E-6 processing; or just give them a roll and see.

[dave lackey]

Originally Posted by Asim

If E6 were to be discontinued, so would my photography. I am never impressed by photos as much as I am with them when projected. I have projected MF but I stick to 35mm because of the weight savings... and you don't need to glass mount 35mm slides.

And here's how dedicated I am...
Nowadays people need to see their photo the instant they shoot it... so they look on the back of their digital cameras.

I shoot slide film, store them in my fridge when each roll is fnished, and then when I visit the US, Canada, or some place that has a good lab... which is usually once a year, then I'll take all my rolls and get them developed together. So I don't see my photos for a year usually. I work in international schools so end up moving around quite a bit. Currently I'm in Turkey and I'll be here for another year. I managed to develop a couple of dozen rolls this past summer and I think I'll manage to have another dozen or so by this coming summer.

If you are ever in the U.S., I would like to buy you a beer and look over some of your slides! Anyone who enjoys projected images that much is someone I need to meet! Bravo!

[meandihagee]

Originally Posted by Bob Michaels

Optically projected transparencies? No, not any more for me.

Digital slide shows? The sequenced, time phased, with added audio is becoming one of my favorite presentation formats. Now I still love and live by prints. But I have an exhibit going up in a local history museum that is some 50 images in a 3 minute slide show with audio. It will play continuously in a 15" digital photo frame. It will play continuously. You can see an early version here.

nice project. what's the name of the song?

[marcr1230]

just tested and sent out a Carousel 4400 to a fellow RFF'er - the slides really pop when projected - just beautiful. oh well, never used it much, need to move on...

[CNNY]

Originally Posted by marcr1230

just tested and sent out a Carousel 4400 to a fellow RFF'er - the slides really pop when projected - just beautiful. oh well, never used it much, need to move on...

Great, someone is going to be very happy!

[HHPhoto]

Originally Posted by anjoca76

I have been shooting lots of slides, but I have never projected them. From what I hear, I need to experience this. Anyone have any tips on picking up a used projector? What to look for, brands, types, etc? Thanks.

Go for a quality model, not the cheap ones.
Quality models are now very attractively priced, used and new.

Quality model means:
- good projection lens: Most manufactures have offered both cheap (plastic) lenses and excellent glas lenses with metal barrel.

Projection lenses with excellent quality are:
- Zeiss P-Sonnar T 2,5/90 for the Zeiss-Ikon, Zett "Royal" projector Series and the Leica P300 and Leica Pradovit PC and IR models
- Leica Colorplan P/P2 2,5/90, Super-Colorplan P2 2,5/90 and Colorplan Pro (for RT-m carousel model) lens for the Leica projectors (the P series fits the older models, the P2 is for the newer models)
- Kodak Ektapro FF 2,5/93 for Kodak Ektalite and Ektapro carousel projectors
- Rollei AV-Apogon and AV-Xenotar lenses for the Rollei dissolving projectors
- Braun Ultralit PL 2,8/85 B-MC and Ultralit 2,4/90 MC for the Braun projectors
- Kindermann 2,4/90 MC-B and 2,4/90 MC for the Kindermann Projectors.

Furthermore it is recommended to go for the formerly higher priced models, because they are more robustly build, have better condensors, better cooling systems and more features such as slide preview and dual lamp systems.

Examples for such models are Leica P600, Pradovit PC, IR and RT-m, Kindermann Silent Vision 2500, Braun Paximat Multimag Sc 640 and 668, Kodak Ektapro, Rollei Twin MSC Series, Rollei dual 66 P.
I would recommend a projector with 250W power (not with 150W).

You can still get projectors new from DHW (Rollei), Braun, Reflecta, Gecko-Cam/Götschmann and RBT (stereo-projectors:

www.dhw-fototechnik.de
www.braun-phototechnik.de
http://www.braun-phototechnik.de/en/products/list/~pcat.106/Slides-Technology.html
www.reflecta.de
https://reflecta.de/en/products/list/~pcat.5/Dia-Projektoren.html

http://www.gecko-cam.com/sales/goetschmann/

http://www.rbt-3d.de/index.php?idcat=30

http://www.atelier-rieter.de/ang1.htm

Cheers, Jan

[HHPhoto]

Originally Posted by Asim

If E6 were to be discontinued, so would my photography. I am never impressed by photos as much as I am with them when projected. I have projected MF but I stick to 35mm because of the weight savings... and you don't need to glass mount 35mm slides.

And here's how dedicated I am...
Nowadays people need to see their photo the instant they shoot it... so they look on the back of their digital cameras.

I shoot slide film, store them in my fridge when each roll is fnished, and then when I visit the US, Canada, or some place that has a good lab... which is usually once a year, then I'll take all my rolls and get them developed together. So I don't see my photos for a year usually. I work in international schools so end up moving around quite a bit. Currently I'm in Turkey and I'll be here for another year. I managed to develop a couple of dozen rolls this past summer and I think I'll manage to have another dozen or so by this coming summer.

You are the right man, Asim .

Maybe your "slide life" can be a bit easier:
Here is another option for E6 development in Istanbul:
http://www.kristalfotograf.com/?sayfa=Ana_Sayfa.

And mail order from Turkey to Germany ("the promised land of slide film and projection" ) is not a problem.
Lots of excellent E6 labs in Germany.

My recommendation for excellent quality and international mail order service: www.photostudio13.de

Cheers, Jan

[HHPhoto]

Originally Posted by DrTebi

35mm slide projection is great, but medium format slides are breath-taking... you've got to see it to believe it.

Yes, I completely agree.
35mm slide projection with an ecellent projection lens in a modern 250W projector is already outstanding, and much much better than digital projection with a beamer.

Medium format projection with an excellent projection lens is a league of it's own. Once you have seen it, you know that god really exists....
Digital can never reach that quality level.

Originally Posted by DrTebi

Glass mounts are generally preferred, but not the only thing that is necessary to get an edge to edge sharpness.

There is a new and very innovative development from the German slide mount specialist Diaspeed (www.diaspeed.de). They have developed a revolutionary new slide mount system, which is glassless, but delivers an excellent edge to edge sharpness like double glass mounts.
These new Diaspeed HT-XYZ slide mounts combine all advantages of glassless mounts (best archivability, no newton rings, best brillance, no dust problems) with the sharpness characteristics of double glass mounts. There is no "plopp-effect" with these new mounts, and excellent edge to edge sharpness.
I am using these mounts for about a year now, and I am completely satiesfied. Best mounts I have ever used.
All my friends are using them, too, and are happy with them as I am.


Cheers, Jan

[DrTebi]

Originally Posted by HHPhoto

There is a new and very innovative development from the German slide mount specialist Diaspeed (www.diaspeed.de). They have developed a revolutionary new slide mount system, which is glassless, but delivers an excellent edge to edge sharpness like double glass mounts.
These new Diaspeed HT-XYZ slide mounts combine all advantages of glassless mounts (best archivability, no newton rings, best brillance, no dust problems) with the sharpness characteristics of double glass mounts. There is no "plopp-effect" with these new mounts, and excellent edge to edge sharpness.
I am using these mounts for about a year now, and I am completely satiesfied. Best mounts I have ever used.
All my friends are using them, too, and are happy with them as I am.


Cheers, Jan

Very interesting, I have to try these out. It seems they only offer the mounts for 35mm though... that's too bad.

I usually preferred glass mounts, but can they can be a bit annoying--cleaning the glass, making sure not to trap any dust.

One thing I noticed with glass-mounts is, that you can actually see the "anti-newton pattern" on the screen if you look closely. On some slide mounts this was more obvious than on others, but definitely distracting. It looked very similar to an oversharpened image (aka unsharp-mask).

Has anybody noticed that as well?

[HHPhoto]

Originally Posted by DrTebi

Very interesting, I have to try these out. It seems they only offer the mounts for 35mm though... that's too bad.

They offer a special test set at a very attractive reduced price for those photographers who want to try out these new frames for the first time.
Just send them an email and order the test set of the HT-XYZ slide mounts.

This system is only offered in 35mm because it needs/uses the sprocket holes of 35mm film to achieve this excellent film flatness (similar to the Wess AHX002 mounts, but working much better and more precise, especially with different film types, you even get optimal results with PET-based films, e.g. some BW slide films).

For medium format I would recommend either the Rollei P 66 dual or the Götschmann projectors. They have very good cooling systems, therefore no or less problems with the "plopp" effect.
Gepe mounts with single AN glass are sufficient for very good edge to edge sharpness, if you use the Rollei or Götschmann.
And then you don't have the problems you described.

Cheers, Jan

[DrTebi]

Originally Posted by HHPhoto

For medium format I would recommend either the Rollei P 66 dual or the Götschmann projectors. They have very good cooling systems, therefore no or less problems with the "plopp" effect.
Gepe mounts with single AN glass are sufficient for very good edge to edge sharpness, if you use the Rollei or Götschmann.
And then you don't have the problems you described.

Cheers, Jan

Thank you for the info. But if I do use any anti-newton glass, wouldn't that result in the problem I described (seeing the anti-newton pattern at close distances)?