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The Leica M9 is better than the Holga! 45 34.62%
The Holga is better than the Leica M9! 55 42.31%
It is best to brag to my Holga friends about my Leica M9! 10 7.69%
It is best to brag to my Leica M9 friends about my Holga! 31 23.85%
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Old 12-30-2011   #51
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What... you ask for precision when discussing the Holga? :-)
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Yes. Because he likely couldn't get a job these days... at least not as a photographer; too much competition on Flickr! :-) But all kidding aside, HCB would be using a phone, with the built-in "Magnum" app.
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I just picked up a $25 Holga lens that has a micro four thirds mount. The cost is coming down! I predict ten bucks by mid-2012, unless Leica buys Holga of course. Then I don't know... that titanium s**t is expensive!
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I believe its the photographer, the photographer's parents, the photographer's socio-economic background, the camera, and the socks. Well, really, its the lucky socks most of the time.
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Old 12-30-2011   #55
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Stephen, a better question might have been: "Which is a better babe magnet, the M9 or the Holga".
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Old 12-30-2011   #56
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$40.00 is a little high for a Holga .
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Old 12-30-2011   #57
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i have never tried either...but i'd prefer the one i cannot afford.
LOL

in the long run, the M9 might not be more expensive, because if you buy with care its just money in the bank and digital is free.

With a holga you either pay or fiidle alot to scan etc.

But as said the holga is not scary to carry
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I think whatever camera that you use has to be learned. You have to learn its strong points and its weaknesses. I'm not so much for accidents as I am mastering the tools I have or at the very least trying to. And you can learn a Holga just like any other camera. I'm not saying it's my favorite of all my cameras, just saying in capable hands it can be a good tool. You can also put your holga lenses on digital cameras. Npw here's a mutation, Holga lens on an M9. Hehe seriously if I could ever even afford a Leica.. I'd probably only have money left for a Holga lens!

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Hmmmm.... Only if you are prepared to use it. I had a Diana in the days before Holgas, and it was a piece of junk. I do not see how Holgas are better. Yes, I know there are people who like surprises in the form of light leaks, poor focus, rotten exposures, etc., but I've never seen the appeal myself. I genuinely wouldn't bother to waste film by putting it into a Diana or Holga. If I couldn't afford anything better, and had to work around the limitations of a cheap camera, I'd infinitely rather have a Lyubitel.

This doesn't mean that I'm right and Holga fans are wrong, but equally, it sure as hell doesn't mean that Holga fans are right and I'm wrong.

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Old 12-30-2011   #59
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Is the final image all about sharpness, clarity, and how well an expensive lens tests?

How much sharpness do you see in Capa's iconic D-Day images?
no lens test winners there!

Of all the camera comparison tests I've seen on the internet,
the one that I would love to see that I've never seen is

Leica M9 Vs Holga! which is best ??

Is it BEST to spend $15,000 on a M9 body and lens,
or is is BEST to spend $40 on a Holga
and still have money to buy food and pay the rent with?

What IS best ?

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I think "best" can be defined by its intended purpose, as in "what's the best tool for the job?" If you're goal is to make Ansel Adams type of images, where sharpness and detail are paramount, you need different tools compared to making street photography a la Henri Cartier-Bresson whose images from the 30's don't show ultimate sharpness or detail.
So, if you want to make artsy and edgy stuff, the Holga may indeed be the best tool for the job. If not, it won't be and some other tool will be best.
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Let them eat cake!

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If you wanted to afford it, you could.
You must be one of those fortunate folk with a full-time job.
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In a similar vein one of my Flickr 'friends' ran a Hasselblad vs Holga test. The results were very interesting. Here's the LINK to the two shots using C41 film.
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Id rather have no physical camera than a Holga.

Holga money buys you a real camera though, if you're a bit patient.
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I think whatever camera that you use has to be learned. You have to learn its strong points and its weaknesses. I'm not so much for accidents as I am mastering the tools I have or at the very least trying to. And you can learn a Holga just like any other camera. !
Yes, and I could also learn to whistle the National Anthem while standing on my head. The question is why I would want to bother.

What ARE the strong points of a Holga, as compared with just about anything else, including many cameras that are cheaper or free?

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[What ARE the strong points of a Holga, as compared with just about anything else, including many cameras that are cheaper or free?

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You can make your normal picture into Fake Holga picture, but Holga cameras remain the safest buy! Holgas are genuine, the fakes are extremely rare...

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In a similar vein one of my Flickr 'friends' ran a Hasselblad vs Holga test. The results were very interesting. Here's the LINK to the two shots using C41 film.
interesting (although silly imho). thanks for sharing.
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What IS best ?

Some silly people would say a spoon for chicken noodle soup, a fork for leaf salad, and a knife for carving a turkey.

Surely, there are some people out there that prefer to use only a spoon to carve a turkey and a knife to slurp up their pea soup and would defend their views online with zeal.
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Stephen, a better question might have been: "Which is a better babe magnet, the M9 or the Holga".
Holga probably wins.

A guy with a plastic colored toy camera, how cute is that?
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Horses for courses: see here for shots on a presidential campaign shot with a Holga.
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Horses for courses: see here for shots on a presidential campaign shot with a Holga.

Very nice.

Which proves that anybody who knows how to use their tools spend more time applying them than mulling over brand name and its perceived "bestness".


Just like asking if a Yugo or a Ferrari is "best": it didn't make these guys better drivers.
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Very nice.

Which proves that anybody who knows how to use their tools spend more time applying them than mulling over brand name and its perceived "bestness".


Just like asking if a Yugo or a Ferrari is "best": it didn't make these guys better drivers.
Least we can decide is that the Yugo is safer:
  • no meeting of Yugo cars to drive to
  • no Yugo pack on the highway
  • Yugos cannot do 160 kmh
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What ARE the strong points of a Holga, as compared with just about anything else, including many cameras that are cheaper or free?
I think the strong points of a Holga are that, if you like that sort of look, just about any shot you take with that camera will look interesting. I just happen to find it utterly uninteresting so the Holga just doesn't do it for me. Any picture taken with a Holga is first and foremost a picture of the camera itself, not of the scene. I might aswell use the 'Hipstamatic' app on an iPhone.

Also, one could make the point that the Holga is simply a bad camera. Let's remember that it was not built as a cheap camera for the masses, not as a crappy camera with light leaks, a blurry lens and horrible vignetting.
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I would say buy the M9. It is easy in many current editing programs to make a digital file look like a Holga. it is much harder to make a Holga scan look like an M9 file. This is simple logic.
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What ARE the strong points of a Holga, as compared with just about anything else, including many cameras that are cheaper or free?
Its total lack of quality is what gives it its charm...
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