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CSC : Digital Compact System Cameras - This new category of digital Compact System Cameras with interchangeable lenses was mislabeled for a time as "Mirrorless Cameras" by those forgetting about "Mirrorless" Rangefinder cameras.  Such confusion is easily understandable, since interchangeable rangefinder cameras were only recently introduced in 1932.  hmm.    CSC or Compact System Camera is probably the best category description to date, although I am fond of the old RFF desigation of  CEVIL  indicating Compact Electronic Viewfidner Interchangeable Lens.   This forum is here at RFF because via adapters these cameras offer an inexpensive way to use rangefinder lenses on digital cameras -- in addition of just about every 35mm SLR lens you can think of.  All  offer the photo enthusiast an incredible array of adopted lenses which was not possible before these new digital formats.   This group continues to grow in popularity and new camera models! 

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Old 01-18-2012   #41
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... after having played with it in store. I love the speed. I love how silent it is. I DON'T love the sensor size (as mentioned several times).... the quality of the file (I'm speaking of high ISO) was absolutely fine. I just, on occasion, like shallow depth of field - like u4/3's 20mm f1.7.
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Old 01-18-2012   #42
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All I can say is that anyone who can actually lay hands on these cameras is lucky. I'd have to fill up the car with expensive gas and drive who knows how far to try out cameras at a store. Sure the big box retailers around here carry a few of the low end DSLR's but NONE of the interesting stuff. I'd have to drive 70 miles to see ANY m4:3 cameras with a VF-2 or VF-3.
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Old 01-19-2012   #43
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Originally Posted by Danlo View Post
As for the sensor. It seems most people that bitch about how crappy the Nikon 1 cameras are have not tried and compared the raw-files with m43. The raw-files from the Nikon 1 cameras is on par, and often better (lower noise, better dr, better/softer highlight-to-blown rendition asf) then the m43 sensor -rawfiles.

Yesterday evening, I ordered the J1+ 10-30 and 10mm pancake. It will revolutionize my street photography.
Looking forward to seeing your revolutionized street photography.
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Old 01-19-2012   #44
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Originally Posted by ColSebastianMoran View Post
Multiple exposures, it picks the best one.
No thanks.

Originally Posted by ColSebastianMoran View Post
This may be the end of "mine is bigger than yours."
Yes, I do prefer smaller cameras, as long as they are big enough to handhold comofortably. What the Nikon 1 has eliminated is the use of depth of field and that rules it out for me.

Of course, the average buyer looks for brand names and color (pink!) rather than "depth of field".
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Old 02-16-2012   #45
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I finally had the opportunity to play with this camera. It is a very fun camera to take pictures with. The sensor might be small but the pictures looked ok. It is very very fast.
I prefer the handling over the NEX 3 camera that I own, I can work a lot faster with the Nikon. Feels better build to. I don't really care for camera looks, it just looks "normal" to me, like a machine that takes pictures ...

A FF like camera like this would be awesome.
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Old 02-17-2012   #46
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Ok, there's someone here who claims that the lenses for the Nikon 1 is better than that for m4/3rd. So here's a relevant finding:


Notice that they compare the Olympus 12/2 with a Canon L glass, and a Nikon 1 lens of comparable spec. The Olympus bests the Nikon by more than doubling the score.
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Old 02-17-2012   #47
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I walked to the camera section at Fry's last week and I noticed the new Nikon V1. ...Next to it, an Olympus E-PM1. ...
Both "Made in China" - in either case no option for me.
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Old 03-01-2012   #48
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China makes cameras just fine I think.

I'm curious about the V1. I do think there's a practical limit to how small a camera can be. My GXR is about as small as I'd like to go. The Nex 5N was too small, even though it's a very capable camera. Right now my GXR with A12 M is my only digital camera, and I do think I should have an AF camera in my stable. Ricoh's AF modules are nice optically (and the 50mm is a great macro lens) but the AF is SLOW. So I think all the attention to making CEVIL cameras faster focusers is a good thing. The 1 series seems to be a marketing disaster here in the states, or at least among the DSLR and RF crowds, but that doesn't mean it's a bad camera. There are some pretty neat things about it. I'd love to try the AF in a restaurant, for example.
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No place is boring, if you've had a good night's sleep and have a pocket full of unexposed film. ~Robert Adams, Darkroom & Creative Camera Techniques, May 1995 (I suppose that should now read: "and have a full battery and an empty memory card." Though that sounds so dull.
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Old 03-05-2012   #49
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I think the only thing Nikon got seriously wrong in the marketing was the pricing. (And the colors.) But the market is already taking care of that. You can get a grey market V1 body for $550 if you look around. J1 for $399. Still too much, but moving in the right direction. They should hang in there.

I'll be trying one out, soon enough. I'm not looking for a "DSLR replacement" or the ultimate lowlight camera - just a small, fast, high quality portable to augment my big kit.
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Old 03-06-2012   #50
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I haven't still figured out what to think of the J1/V1. And of the P7100 for that matter.

The J1 has a built in speedlight, but no EVF, yet has the sleekest overall body shape.

The V1 has an EVF but needs an external one speedlight. Unfortunately it can't take the SB600/700/800/900/SU800, only a small SB5n. I've seen no indication that the SB5n can do
remote/commander mode CLS. The blob on top fromt the EVF makes it clumsy to pocket.

The P7100 has a speedlight built in, can mount the SB600/700/800/900 and SU800 has CLS, but the OVF is only so-so.

Nikon should put the three in a bag, rattle it around for a bit and come out with the best of the three.. Then they'd have a winner.

The only reason they've not done that, as far as I can see is fear of canibalizing their own line-up. Which is weird, cause if there's anyone eating into your sales it should be yourself, not another manufacturer..
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