February Announcement : New Interchangeable Fujifilm 'X'

[bwcolor]

Take a look at this thread


Just for clarification... We knew this was coming and I'm assuming that February will be the announcement.. I can't imagine that it would launch in February.

[rxmd]

Are we really discussing a mobile phone snapshot of a PowerPoint slide announcing the announcement of a camera that we knew would be announced?

[ScottAlexander]

Fuji would be smart to make it a full frame, or 1.3 crop camera.. if you're going to take on the Leica X1 with the X100 by name and usability, might as well go for broke.

[rxmd]

Originally Posted by ScottAlexander

Fuji would be smart to make it a full frame, or 1.3 crop camera.. if you're going to take on the Leica X1 with the X100 by name and usability, might as well go for broke.

Yeah, I guess the about three people who want to use their existing Leica lenses, as opposed to buying your new Fuji lenses, are a really useful group to cater to when deciding to make your camera three times more expensive and your lenses two times bigger because of the extra large sensor.

[back alley]

Originally Posted by rxmd

Yeah, I guess the about three people who want to use their existing Leica lenses, as opposed to buying your new Fuji lenses, are a really useful group to cater to when deciding to make your camera three times more expensive and your lenses two times bigger because of the extra large sensor.

in a bad mood tonight?

[rxmd]

Originally Posted by back alley

in a bad mood tonight?

It's morning here

[back alley]

Originally Posted by rxmd

It's morning here

ah, that's changes everything!

[rxmd]

Originally Posted by back alley

ah, that's changes everything!

I knew I could count on your understanding

[bwcolor]

Originally Posted by rxmd

Yeah, I guess the about three people who want to use their existing Leica lenses, as opposed to buying your new Fuji lenses, are a really useful group to cater to when deciding to make your camera three times more expensive and your lenses two times bigger because of the extra large sensor.

Well, here are a few hints as to the direction another company is taking... and they make small lenses

[pvdhaar]

Must say that I'm curious about how Fuji will morph the X100 into an interchangeable lens camera. Especially because of the potential parallels with the Konica Hexar to Hexar-RF transition.

The original fixed lens auto focus Hexar was so well thought out, such a marvelous integration of functions and photographic concepts that it was nothing short of perfect. Everything was tuned to that splendid 35/2 lens. On the RF, the interchangeability aspect spoilt all that.. the finder had to be multi-purpose, the tuning of functions to lens was lost, and worst, most of the brightest ideas behind the AF-Hexar were ditched. This included the aperture-preference approach in P-mode, that flash and ambient in a single shot could be made at two different apertures, automatic focus compensation for infra-red film, the list goes on and on.. Good as it is as an autoexposure rangefinder, the Hexar-RF is miles behind the original AF-Hexar, and as far as I can see spelled the end of Konica as a camera company.

One can only hope that Fuji does things differently.. Keep the good things of the X100 in, and most of all, a proprietary lens mount that allows all the same functions and integration as its predecessor.

[buzzardkid]

Hmpf.

It's going to be DLSR-shaped again (equals pear-shaped in my POV).

Forget about it.

[Roger Hicks]

Originally Posted by rxmd

Yeah, I guess the about three people who want to use their existing Leica lenses, as opposed to buying your new Fuji lenses, are a really useful group to cater to when deciding to make your camera three times more expensive and your lenses two times bigger because of the extra large sensor.

Seconded.

Cheers,

R.

[btgc]

Who is buying all those new cameras and systems?

[gavinlg]

Even when their interchangeable lens camera comes out, I won't change from my x100 - all I need is a good 35mm f2. Everything else is just noise!

[Sparrow]

Originally Posted by btgc

Who is buying all those new cameras and systems?

... people who's x100's have just become obsolete?

[gavinlg]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

... people who's x100's have just become obsolete?

How is it obsolete? The x100 is special in that the sensor and lens are both perfectly tuned to one another. The viewfinder is only for the 35mm lens, and therefore is fantastic too look through - big and bright with just the right amount of space around the frame lines . Interchangeable lenses would mean that the viewfinder would be compromised - possibly just no optical finder, only an EVF. On the x100, the EVF is rubbish compared to the OVF. It would mean that a similar 35mm f2 fujinon lens would be much bigger (on the x100 the lens unit goes very far into the body - specially for that particular sensor), and possibly not as optically good.

There are more things too - more compromises that are to be made when you have interchangeable lenses. As I said before, I would still be using my x100 despite the interchangeable system, unless they can avoid all these compromises - which is doubtful.

[kbg32]

It won't be full frame sensor that's for sure.

[rover]

I don't think I can survive another viral marketing campaign.

Personally, I refuse to buy another new camera until a manufacturer designs one that comes with a talented attractive female photographer to take my photos for me.

[Gid]

Originally Posted by rover

I don't think I can survive another viral marketing campaign.

Personally, I refuse to buy another new camera until a manufacturer designs one that comes with a talented attractive female photographer to take my photos for me.

I'd buy one of those

[Sparrow]

Originally Posted by fdigital

How is it obsolete? The x100 is special in that the sensor and lens are both perfectly tuned to one another. The viewfinder is only for the 35mm lens, and therefore is fantastic too look through - big and bright with just the right amount of space around the frame lines . Interchangeable lenses would mean that the viewfinder would be compromised - possibly just no optical finder, only an EVF. On the x100, the EVF is rubbish compared to the OVF. It would mean that a similar 35mm f2 fujinon lens would be much bigger (on the x100 the lens unit goes very far into the body - specially for that particular sensor), and possibly not as optically good.

There are more things too - more compromises that are to be made when you have interchangeable lenses. As I said before, I would still be using my x100 despite the interchangeable system, unless they can avoid all these compromises - which is doubtful.

Sorry it was a joke, a satire on marketing and the modern condition

[Trius]

I'm not sure I'd have her taking pictures ... just sayin'

[unixrevolution]

Originally Posted by fdigital

Even when their interchangeable lens camera comes out, I won't change from my x100 - all I need is a good 35mm f2. Everything else is just noise!

What about a 24mm f/2 for the 35mm equivalent angle of view?

I dunno about you guys, but I find 35mm on a 35mm camera to be somewhat wonderful. Unfortunately, the only 35mm lenses I have for my 135 cameras are SLR lenses. I really need a 35 for my Leica, but I won't be buying one for at least a few months.

[jsrockit]

I'm interested in anyone making this type of camera...because I don't think I'll ever buy another digital M again. I was insane (though happy) to do it with the M9 and I can't see myself spending that cash again.

[btgc]

Originally Posted by jsrockit

I'm interested in anyone making this type of camera...because I don't think I'll ever buy another digital M again. I was insane (though happy) to do it with the M9 and I can't see myself spending that cash again.

I wonder how long digital M-models will be in use. I mean, Leica will support each model much longer than P&S and DSLR makers use to do. There must happen something to change idea of near lifetime camera - unavailability of parts or change of approach at the company (latter isn't fair considering initial price). My guess is - when parts will no longer be obtainable.

[v_roma]

I agree that the Hexar RF lost some of what made the original Hexar great and unique, most of which was inevitable when moving from a fixed AF lens camera to an interchangeable m-mount. That said, you make it sound like the Hexar RF was a terrible camera that shouldn't have been released. Some people even think that the Hexar RF is what the M7 should've been. I'm not endorsing this view (don't know enough about these cameras to do so) or trying to start another debate here, just trying to illustrate the point that the Hexar RF is not all that bad.

But my real point is that an interchangeable X camera could make a lot of sense. Particularly if they get the viewfinder right and if the sensor is an improvement over the already very, very good X100 sensor (as Fuji seems to be claiming with their allusion to FF sensor performance). Throw in a half-way decent price, and I think you have another X camera hit.

Originally Posted by pvdhaar

Must say that I'm curious about how Fuji will morph the X100 into an interchangeable lens camera. Especially because of the potential parallels with the Konica Hexar to Hexar-RF transition.

The original fixed lens auto focus Hexar was so well thought out, such a marvelous integration of functions and photographic concepts that it was nothing short of perfect. Everything was tuned to that splendid 35/2 lens. On the RF, the interchangeability aspect spoilt all that.. the finder had to be multi-purpose, the tuning of functions to lens was lost, and worst, most of the brightest ideas behind the AF-Hexar were ditched. This included the aperture-preference approach in P-mode, that flash and ambient in a single shot could be made at two different apertures, automatic focus compensation for infra-red film, the list goes on and on.. Good as it is as an autoexposure rangefinder, the Hexar-RF is miles behind the original AF-Hexar, and as far as I can see spelled the end of Konica as a camera company.

One can only hope that Fuji does things differently.. Keep the good things of the X100 in, and most of all, a proprietary lens mount that allows all the same functions and integration as its predecessor.