Forget about Joe's 4P party and look at the canon 7 again

Dan Chang · 09-15-2005

Joe is definately a bad dog in this Canon forum, because of him the Canon P price in fleabay and here is rocket high. Canon 7 is better camera compare to P

1. better viewfinder, projected bright frames, 35mm, 50mm, 85mm/100mm and 135mm vs P's 50/100mm and they can be tattered and disappear due to aging

2. I believe the Canon 7 shutter noise is little quieter than P (Joe can you comment on this? at least in my sample)

3. weight? is about the same, little larger than P, hei! ,you get better finder!

4. Canon 7 wear glasses (meter) and no shoes (accessory shoe), and no what people called hard skin (hard chrome plating). well these are good for cosmatic surgery. you can remove the ugly glasses and put a contact lens and buy a different color style shoes to put on top of the bare foot and lousy thin chrome plating can be easyly removed, you can paint it in any color

5. do not forget, you can put the monoster 50/0.9 on 7, P? no way!

6. the last Canon 7 is cheaper...

I borrow this modified Canon 7 from a friend, it is realy nice to use, he told me who care about these solenum meter? Leica M3/M2/M4 does not have one. this procesure called de-bulk,

jlw · 09-15-2005

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Originally Posted by Dan Chang

JI borrow this modified Canon 7 from a friend, it is realy nice to use, he told me who care about these solenum meter? Leica M3/M2/M4 does not have one. this procesure called de-bulk,

Gotta admit I kind of like it. What did he use to fill the holes left over after removing the selenium cell?

I would even have gone a step further and filled in "Canon" on this tough-looking customer and replaced it with a different name. How about "Smith & Wesson"?

xayraa33 · 09-15-2005

The P is a sleeker looking camera IMHO.

Dan Chang · 09-15-2005

JLW, I will ask him.

as to sleek, Leica III series is sleeker than Leica M but M get better finder.

I went to a local camera shop, the owner ask me : " is this some sort of Canon Rangerfinder prototype"? I said " yes, it called Canon 7M" hahaha

xayraa33 · 09-15-2005

Better finder or not, the P is still sleeker looking than the 7, Canon should have made a companion model, a 7 with no meter but with a shoe. Maybe they could have called it 7-2 like the improved bottom loaders of the fifties. (yes I know, this would have not been seen as an improvement in 1962) HMMM.. it would be very close to the 7s in appearance. It also would be much sought after in this day and age.

jlw · 09-15-2005

...but if they had done that, they also probably would have felt as if they had to produce a model with a 1/500 top speed and FP sync only... and one with 1/500, no slow speeds, and no flash sync... one with 1/1000 and slow speeds, X sync, and knob rewind... you know, the whole micro-model-variation gig that makes the II, III, and IV-series cameras such head-scratchers today!

xayraa33 · 09-15-2005

That would have been kind of cool, in a head scatching sort of way, Canon seems to steamlined the model options after the VIT & VIL, around the P model timeframe. But really, a 7-2 model would have been what the original MP was to the M3 Leica, more pro appeal, but by then it was a Nikon F world.

Dan Chang · 09-15-2005

JLW
I called my friend, he said he used 1/16 " brass plate cut in to pieces to fill the holes and weld in place then file, then sand then polish, accordance to him lots of work but fun. I will keep this one.

he can made other one. the canon 7 is just like Leica M2, 35mm, 50mm are single frame, 85/100mm is double, very easy to use even for these people wear glasses.

back alley · 09-15-2005

i agree!

i'm selling all my p's and buying only canon 7's from now on.

i don't know what i have been thinking.
the p is an awful camera, poor finder, only 3 frame lines, ugh!

yeah, i've seen the light and it's flashin' a big 7!

joe

xayraa33 · 09-15-2005

All said, I do think your 7m is an improvement over its original 7 look, But do you think modifing these cameras will be seen as a mistake in the future, if its done on a large scale. The same thing happened to a lot of vintage guitars & classic cars, now their owners ,or new owners , wish that these items were left stock & original.

Dan Chang · 09-15-2005

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All said, I do think your 7m is an improvement over its original 7 look, But do you think modifing these cameras will be seen as a mistake in the future, if its done on a large scale. The same thing happened to a lot of vintage guitars & classic cars, now their owners ,or new owners , wish that these items were left stock & original.

I am a user not a collector, I need a shoe on 7 so I can use 12-28mm lens on 7, meter on 7 make it ugly and bulky, that's why its price is lower than P (since Joe promotes P). As a user, I see camera as tools, make tools work for you is the key. I hope you guys just dislike the 7, so I can buy 10 of them at low price and send to my friend to modify them. he bought this 7 on ebay with the 50/1.4 for little more than 200 dollars, so basically the camera is worth abot 30 to 60 dollars. but the modify if done commericially may cost 300-600 dollars

Lots of 7 were made instead of buy the expensive 7s/7z, modify a 7 can make nice photography tool for yourself and have fun. plenty of 7 still out there , so they are left stock and original.

jlw · 09-15-2005

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Originally Posted by Dan Chang

JLW
I called my friend, he said he used 1/16 " brass plate cut in to pieces to fill the holes and weld in place then file, then sand then polish, accordance to him lots of work but fun. I will keep this one.

he can made other one. the canon 7 is just like Leica M2, 35mm, 50mm are single frame, 85/100mm is double, very easy to use even for these people wear glasses.

Your friend must be quite a craftsman! I can do welding on something large, such as a car, but tiny holes in a camera top cover would be a challenge to me.

Speaking of cars, I agree with you re the other person's post about the wisdom of modifying these cameras. It is a lot like the collector car market: With most car models, there are a handful of really nice, all-original examples, and it would be a shame to modify one of these. But there are also a lot of them that have a few dents, missing parts, etc., and in the case of one of these, why not modify it? Better than letting it rust away or sending it off to the scrap heap.

xayraa33 · 09-15-2005

Maybe your friend can make a copy of the Canon shoe attachment & use it for anything wider than a 35mm, & leave the camera original. As a pure photogrphic tool, with a good finder, just buy a Voigtlander R, no nostalgia , no vintage,... well not yet.

Dan Chang · 09-15-2005

My friends is a chief technologist work for a USA photo equepment distributor company. he has the skills as well as material. What will you do for these Canon 7s have dead cells? weak cells? dented top plate? As Jlw said they can go to junk yard, parts bins. Modify it is the only way to save a good photography tools.

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Canon 7M and V21mm/4

xayraa33 · 09-15-2005

As far as modifing the beater, a user Canon 7,.... Well, in the late 70s early 1980s a lot of early 60s Fender Stratocaster electric guitars were modified,with Floyd Rose tremolo systems etc, most were well used examples , bought for low to medium prices. Well 26 years later , players & collectors all want an unmodifyed original strat and will pay big bucks for an original , no matter how beat up it is. ( in this case, beat up is a good thing- like Rory Gallaghers guitar.)

Dan Chang · 09-15-2005

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Originally Posted by xayraa33

Maybe your friend can make a copy of the Canon shoe attachment & use it for anything wider than a 35mm, & leave the camera original. As a pure photogrphic tool, with a good finder, just buy a Voigtlander R, no nostalgia , no vintage,... well not yet.

I have no idea why you so fussy about this modification, these modification try to making 7 easy to use, why need that expensive collectors items shoe attchedment? he is trying to de-bulk the 7, the reason he modified a canon 7 is because 7 is cheap and easy to get, why a Voigtlander R? I can buy a Leica M, it is much much better than either Canon or Voigtlander. People like you may just enjoy collect these original boxed, unopened cameras, and lock them in a glass case to show off, but these people who treat camera as tools, will select the right tools to get the job done and done it well, if no suitable tools available just make your own or modify a tools.

Dan Chang · 09-15-2005

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Originally Posted by xayraa33

As far as modifing the beater, a user Canon 7,.... Well, in the late 70s early 1980s a lot of early 60s Fender Stratocaster electric guitars were modified,with Floyd Rose tremolo systems etc, most were well used examples , bought for low to medium prices. Well 26 years later , players & collectors all want an unmodifyed original strat and will pay big bucks for an original , no matter how beat up it is. ( in this case, beat up is a good thing- like Rory Gallaghers guitar.)

Sir I have a room full of cheap Polaroid cameras, they are original, instead of donating to Good well, I will keep them until the end of this planet, collectors will pay millions. Collectors are enemy of user

xayraa33 · 09-15-2005

No Dan ..I use my cameras, I bought 5 - 3.8 Litre D-76 developer packets yesterday, for the 68 rolls of B+W film I have in the fridge. I do not like to modify cameras, I think they are fine the way they are ..... for me at least.. we all can have different opinions on this forum, thats what makes it a fantastic forum..

Dan Chang · 09-15-2005

may be I should keep this Leica as is, it is a militory KS-15(3), unfortunately no markers to ID it, so collector offered me $150 for it.

FrankS · 09-15-2005

That's a good looking camera now! If the meter was non-functional anyway, why not remove it and actually make the camera less bulky and pretty. No one is suggesting that all vintage cameras should be modified.

Dan Chang · 09-15-2005

and collector offered me $3000 for this one, no I will keep abuse it and use it everyday. it is such a good tools, it does not need to be modified

back alley · 09-15-2005

users can be good people.

collectors can be good people.

people who modify cameras can be good people.

people who do not modify cameras can be good people.

people who use unmodified canon p camera are the best people...

joe

xayraa33 · 09-15-2005

Amen to that, Joe!

FrankS · 09-15-2005

Brian, that's a gorgeous pair! I mean set! Cameras.

FrankS · 09-15-2005

So G-man did the same thing as Dan's friend to a Canon 7? Great minds think alike.