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View Poll Results: Which sensor would you like to see in the M10?
Kodak CCD 159 37.32%
Japanese CMOS (canon/sony) 142 33.33%
Foveon X3 (sigma/kodak) 109 25.59%
Japanese Nikon/Sony 16 3.76%
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Old 03-11-2012   #121
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It does look good, but is still in the early stages of development. The lack of microlenses and IR filter seem to be key features for an RF sensor.
No. Microlenses are a necessity for a digital sensor. Photodiode sites are ridiculously small, and to gather enough light for good signal to noise ratio, you have to focus it down.

Also, unlike Film, photodiodes are more sensitive to a wider spectrum (UV to IR). Which is the problem. You technically need a filter for UV and IR.
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Old 03-12-2012   #122
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The design of the Ms (film) is a result of ergonomics and most of all : functionnality! It was a leica screwmount and a rangefinder modernized and they made a couple in heaven!

The digital M, starting with M8 is a mimick of the old film M design. It takes only a small step to understand what a M8 or a M9 really are... Just look at the bottom plate on a M8/M9 isn't that ridiculous design just for the battery and memory card? Total waste of money and functionnality and a shame for Barnack's name and legacy. As much as I am a fanboy or an anti fanboy, this needs to be said.
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Foveon or a full frame version of Fuji's sensor in the XP1.
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Have you seen the DR of the new Sony sensor used in the K5/D7000? Better than the M9
Exactly right, and that's the basic tech (perhaps slightly improved?) used in the D800, which has pixels exactly the same size as in the D7000.

There are really good reasons to want more pixels and — yes — smaller pixels, as well.

For pictorial photography the problem is not that CCD is an inherently inferior technology, but rather that no one is spending the money to continue to push the tech. CCDs are just too expensive to fabricate and especially are too limited in terms of what can be done with on-chip read electronics. The big R&D money is going into CMOS, and even in scientific applications (electron microscopy, light microscopy, ultra high-throughput DNA sequencing) where CCD used to totally dominate, momentum is shifting toward CMOS detectors.
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Old 03-12-2012   #125
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Foveon or a full frame version of Fuji's sensor in the XP1.
As mentioned above, Foveon would be hard or impossible to implement well for a DRF -- its cone of acceptance is too narrow for lenses that have nodal points close to the sensor plane.
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Old 03-12-2012   #126
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Just look at the bottom plate on a M8/M9 isn't that ridiculous design just for the battery and memory card? Total waste of money and functionnality and a shame for Barnack's name and legacy. As much as I am a fanboy or an anti fanboy, this needs to be said.
Yes. Agreed.
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Old 03-17-2012   #127
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I'll take whatever sensor gives us 12-14 stops of range and clean 3200asa.
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Old 03-18-2012   #128
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I wonder if the M10 will be a significant improvement like M9 was over the M8.
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Old 03-18-2012   #129
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I wonder if the M10 will be a significant improvement like M9 was over the M8.
As a current M9 owner and former M8-cum-M8.U owner, I find the improvements subtle at best, and just bordering on my subjective definition of significance. So to get me to buy, Leica will need to make the M10 really eclipse the M9 in some way or ways that strongly impact my shooting. Things like high-ISO noise, live-view, video capability and high-res monitor are of little importance to me. The thing that would truly impress me to buy is there are no issues, quirks, glitches and bugs like red-edge, card incompatbilites, or cracking sensors...you know, like 99% of cameras costing a fraction as much. ...like my 8 yr old Canon 20d that has never so much as needed a battery-out reboot.
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Old 03-20-2012   #130
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Wish list
- M10 with improved Kodak CCD (noise free at ISO3200)
- M10 with Leica Auto focus lens..
- Film emulator menu on camera, can choose; Tmax, TriX, Velvia, Provia,Pan50



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Old 03-21-2012   #131
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As a current M9 owner and former M8-cum-M8.U owner, I find the improvements subtle at best, and just bordering on my subjective definition of significance. So to get me to buy, Leica will need to make the M10 really eclipse the M9 in some way or ways that strongly impact my shooting. Things like high-ISO noise, live-view, video capability and high-res monitor are of little importance to me. The thing that would truly impress me to buy is there are no issues, quirks, glitches and bugs like red-edge, card incompatbilites, or cracking sensors...you know, like 99% of cameras costing a fraction as much. ...like my 8 yr old Canon 20d that has never so much as needed a battery-out reboot.
Hey stop that sane talking. You really need to work on your unrealistic expectations.
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Old 03-27-2012   #132
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i'm quite happy with the M9.

I'll wait to see what Leica actually produces and calls "M10", and then decide whether it interests me. I see no point to speculating on what might do a 'better' job. All cameras are compromises.
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Old 03-27-2012   #133
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I love the IQ of the M8 and M9. If switching to another sensor than CCD means a different rendering, than I'd be disappointed even if it brings higher ISO's and more dynamic range.
Now if they can keep the same look with another sensor and improve on other criterias, why not.
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Old 03-27-2012   #134
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Unless I'm being an utter quarter wit, its not going to be a CCD sensor, since Kodak have now distanced themselves from digital development Or am I missing something?
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Unless I'm being an utter quarter wit, its not going to be a CCD sensor, since Kodak have now distanced themselves from digital development Or am I missing something?
Kodak sold its sensor division:

http://www.kodak.com/ek/US/en/Kodak_...num_Equity.htm
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Old 03-27-2012   #136
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Would like to see a Foveon, as I really like the results from DP-1 and SD15, but the world wants high ISO performance, so it won't happen.
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Old 03-28-2012   #137
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No colour, no screen, bigger buffer, sync connector, $1k less, - but I said that last time round, before the M9 and they took no notice.
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Old 03-29-2012   #138
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Just heard from my sources

The new sensor is in the shape of a geodesic dome; each pentagonal panel of the dome will be a tiny sub 1-megapixel sensor. Sum total to be 42 megapixels (taking on the competitive challenge thrown down my Nokia).

The dome shape will allow for far simpler processing design since light rays passing through a lens at any angle will strike the sensor at right angles. This has long been the bane of digi-camera designers trying to coax perpendicular pixel sites to receive photons arriving at an angle.
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Old 04-07-2012   #139
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None of the above. Leica will discontinue making cameras and will concentrate on glass and lens adapters to fit iPhones.
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Old 04-07-2012   #140
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Sensor whatever, I want :

Faster (20ms shutter lag, zoom in, etc)
Lighter
Weather sealing
Longer battery life
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Old 04-10-2012   #141
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Geez
life is so much easier in Canonland, you just give them high iso and everybody happy
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life is so much easier in Canonland, you just give them high iso and everybody happy
Cheaper too... but perhaps more boring as well.
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I'd be happy with:

- better ISO performance.
- a separate ISO dial.

- 1/8000 shutter speed.
- a quieter shutter.

- weather sealing, weather sealing, weather sealing.
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Old 04-11-2012   #144
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titanium rerelease of M2, with M4 quick loading and film rewind knob.
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Hehe, it's not going to happen....
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I hope Leica puts sensor cleaning in the M10. I would use my M8 more but every time I reach for it I worry about sensor dirt. I clean it ofter but it is a magnet for dust.
I don't think it is possible for Leica to match the Fuji X-Pro1 at even three times the cost of the Fuji.
Leica needs significant improvements over the M9 for me to even consider buying again: much better low light sensitivity, a modern viewfinder, live view, AF lenses, sensor cleaning, and quiet shutter. I doubt that some of these improvements will come because Leica has been in a retro mode ever since the M5 debacle.
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much better low light sensitivity, a modern viewfinder, live view, AF lenses, sensor cleaning, and quiet shutter. I doubt that some of these improvements will come because Leica has been in a retro mode ever since the M5 debacle.
Yeah, I just don't understand how people can take photographs with them. The nerve!

I mean, like, why is such a company like Leica, that makes it so hard to take a photo, even in the camera business?
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I'd be happy with:

- better ISO performance.
- a separate ISO dial.

- 1/8000 shutter speed.
- a quieter shutter.

- weather sealing, weather sealing, weather sealing.
why demand for weather sealing when lenses are not?
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why demand for weather sealing when lenses are not?
When somebody starts a thread asking about what they want in lenses, I'll be the first to demand weather sealing in that thread.
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i want a weather-sealed Luigi half-case.
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Old 04-22-2012   #152
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I'll take whatever sensor gives us 12-14 stops of range and clean 3200asa.
Harry, that might be a 20x24 Leaf sensor
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Old 04-22-2012   #153
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These tongue-in-cheek axioms and counter-counter-counter-arguments remind me of those people who argue for a god by arguing against it: "if [email protected] doesn't exist, then who wrote the Bible? Gotcha. Well, there you go."

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The Nikon cams are offering that dynamic range these days.
I have a hard time believing ANY camera can record detail in 12-14 stops. But if its true then more power to Nikon
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I'm hoping to be able to change sensors the same as we once changed film.
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I'm hoping to be able to change sensors the same as we once changed film.
won't happen, but one can dream
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