Paint job for M2
Old 11-21-2016   #1
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Paint job for M2

Just a quick post. Yesterday I found a M2 among my late father belogings. Camera is on a bad shape. Rangefinder focosing square is almost invisible, really hard to see and what is visible is just a faint blur. Somebody did an ungly paint job on it. Whoever did the paint job painted everything on black enamel, and then again, it wasnt a good job. Dials letter, engraving letters, everything got black enamel paint.

Anyone know about somebody on USA that does paint jobs on Leica's? For the rangefinder had thought on send it to DAG, but not sure about the paint.

Probably another option is to keep rubbing the camera til the paint just wear off?

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Old 11-21-2016   #2
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Depends on the type of job you want. I’ve seem some good amateur jobs but a lot of disasters too. The best Leica black-paint guys are in Japan. Shintaro is one name I’ve heard many times as well as Kanto Camera. I have no experience with either.

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There was a user here who posts infrequently who repaints. I almost bought an M2 from him but was utterly disappointed. He was from canada, if you have any doubts that whoever you find might be him I'll share via PM.
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+1 for Kanto Camera. Not cheap, but they do really lovely work. I have a 50/2 Summitar they painted black for me.
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Kanto is going to be your best bet I think. They'll service everything too.
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Or contact Youxin Ye, he'll take the camera apart and service everything and send all the other bits to paint. Not sure who he has painting everything but I'm sure he'd share that with you.
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If it's bad enamel, you might be able to remove the top & bottom plate, and controls, and soak them all in thinner to remove the paint. If it's a really bad job, possibly the person who did it didn't remove the chrome plating underneath. You could bring it back to being a chrome M2, and just have DAG do an overhaul on it.

It would be easy enough to test by removing the bottom plate, take some paint thinner and a Q-tip, and work it around on the center of the bottom plate for a bit, see if it softens the enamel and if there is chrome underneath.
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If it's bad enamel, you might be able to remove the top & bottom plate, and controls, and soak them all in thinner to remove the paint. If it's a really bad job, possibly the person who did it didn't remove the chrome plating underneath. You could bring it back to being a chrome M2, and just have DAG do an overhaul on it.

It would be easy enough to test by removing the bottom plate, take some paint thinner and a Q-tip, and work it around on the center of the bottom plate for a bit, see if it softens the enamel and if there is chrome underneath.
Probably give that a try. All my personal use (not shelves queens) Leica are chrome so would prefer to have it on chrome. Like I said, its a very sloppy job,so most likely the chrome is still there. If not, probably its Kanto then.

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I'd be curious to know what is under the bad paint job first. Have you checked the serial number yet?

I would like to think that an amateur may have painted it black simply to cover over the wear of the original black paint!
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I'd be curious to know what is under the bad paint job first. Have you checked the serial number yet?

I would like to think that an amateur may have painted it black simply to cover over the wear of the original black paint!
Even if it was an OG black paint model, it's screwed now and there's no bringing it back. Might as well restore it.
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Even if it was an OG black paint model, it's screwed now and there's no bringing it back. Might as well restore it.
Not necessarily, especially if the bad repaint did not over-compromise what was left. At the very least it should help guide the proper course of action for the camera. An original correct serialed paint body would go a different restoration route than a more plebian chrome. That said, I have seen some folks do some inexplicable things to rare stuff -not just cameras.
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The camera is back at my hometown. Will check on it nex wednesday when I get back there.

Like I said, really sloopy work, like it was done using cheap shoe shine.
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Kanto is going to be your best bet I think. They'll service everything too.
Yes, my Summitar got a complete take-apart and clean. Like a brand new lens now.
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Yes, my Summitar got a complete take-apart and clean. Like a brand new lens now.
Jealous. If my landlord would let me skip rent one month I'd consider painting some of my stuff.
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The camera is back at my hometown. Will check on it nex wednesday when I get back there.

Like I said, really sloopy work, like it was done using cheap shoe shine.
Looking forward to what you find out. I should have mentioned earlier that I have actually been through a similar situation. I have had a camera or two treated like this and one actually looked as you described. It was like the paint had been rubbed on with a toothbrush. It took me days with toothpicks, swabs, and various liquid concoctions. When I was done, I had a glowing, glorious, original black paint camera with no ill effect. Be patient and you will be rewarded even if it is chrome. The satisfaction is bringing it back to some semblance of its former glory and giving it new life. Enjoy the process.
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Jealous. If my landlord would let me skip rent one month I'd consider painting some of my stuff.
I sold my MP3 a while back, some of that went into the summitar, some the Monochrom and some my van. It stops now, so that's a huge improvement.
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Pictures, and a testimony of the shop that did the re-paint on this M4:

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I've the M2 and my dslr with me now. Will do an exploration tonight and post some pics tomorrow.
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Depends on the type of job you want. I’ve seem some good amateur jobs but a lot of disasters too. The best Leica black-paint guys are in Japan. Shintaro is one name I’ve heard many times as well as Kanto Camera. I have no experience with either.

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I have a Shintaro repaint. (early M3) He did an excellent job but it took over three years. He lost the camera in the process, but found it again after some rather complicated string-pulling and hoop-jumping from my side.
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Alan seems a good route to take.Will take about 700 or so.
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Alan seems a good route to take.Will take about 700 or so.
He will make it look like new.
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Some ebayers can paint your camera to look old, and also paint some original documents to go with yours.
Double prizes!
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Some ebayers can paint your camera to look old, and also paint some original documents to go with yours.
Double prizes!
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I am curious to see how much of a disaster this paint job actually is..
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I am curious to see how much of a disaster this paint job actually is..
Me too, let's see it
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In that ebay listing for one of camerawork's repaints it looks like they only remove the chrome and the edges are the only sign of having nickel removed.
If that's the case it's only half a job and will never brass properly.
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What listing?
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post 18 above

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Alan strips all the way to the brass and the description indicates the same.
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The pictures don't validate that claim.
In the 2 pictures of the unpainted top plate the chrome has been removed and it looks like the surface has been flat sanded after a preliminary paint to fill tiny imperfections. The nickel plate is still there.
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To me those pictures look like it was painted over dulled chrome and then the paint was stripped. It's likely they are on the process of fixing a previously badly painted crome camera and are showing a work-in-progress stage just before reverse electrolysis/acid dip. You really can't judge the process by looking at 2 pictures.
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To me those pictures look like it was painted over dulled chrome and then the paint was stripped. It's likely they are on the process of fixing a previously badly painted crome camera and are showing a work-in-progress stage just before reverse electrolysis/acid dip. You really can't judge the process by looking at 2 pictures.
Actually, if anyone could judge a process by two pictures, it would be John. He's repainted a lot of M's and the M2 he did for me was very nice and back then he wasn't even done perfecting his process.


Anyway, the seller of the eBay listing must have gotten doubts himself, he took EUR 300 off the price last night.
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To me those pictures look like it was painted over dulled chrome and then the paint was stripped. It's likely they are on the process of fixing a previously badly painted crome camera and are showing a work-in-progress stage just before reverse electrolysis/acid dip. You really can't judge the process by looking at 2 pictures.
That dulled chrome is actually the much harder to remove nickel plate.
If as is suggested they go to the trouble of re chroming then surely they can provide pictures of the fully stripped 'back to brass' top plate.
It's a nice camera etc but not my cup of tea. And the price......lala land for a repaint but that's ebay I suppose.

This is what a top plate should look like before any painting is done
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They also mention media blasting after chemical stripping. I know it's polished but does the part actually emerge so shiny that it's not paintable? I wouldn't pay four digits for any camera, so not really my problem but I would like to do some repaints for fun and maybe print some certificates of autenticity while at it
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They also mention media blasting after chemical stripping. I know it's polished but does the part actually emerge so shiny that it's not paintable? I wouldn't pay four digits for any camera, so not really my problem but I would like to do some repaints for fun and maybe print some certificates of autenticity while at it
hahahaha.
It's a 2 stage process to strip the parts.
Step 1/ reverse electrolysis to remove the chrome. You can also remove the nickel this way but it can eat away the brass if you use acid.
I use an acid free bath so it's perfectly safe. I did use acid originaly but the resultant chemical after combining with chrome is highly carcinogenic. Hexavalent chromium.
Step 2/ chemical hot bath to remove the nickel which leaves the surface covered in a black substance called SMUT. This can then be sanded or blasted clean to be made ready for the surface preparation for painting.

The plate in those pictures from ebay looks like it hasn't been in the bath for long enough and only the thin nickel has been removed on the edges etc. OR
It was never in a 2nd bath and has been wet and dry papered.
Either way it's not as is suggested 'back to brass'
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The pics don't match the text in that listing, but that isn't Alan's listing, he didn't write it. And it simply might be all the photos that were available for the listing. No conclusion can be drawn, so it's best to go to the source.

His website describes the process. Much ado about nothing here, as he definitely strips to brass.

I just received a painted M4 from him a couple of weeks ago, so I have seen his craft in person. He also painted a IIIc for me. Superb work! Take it from one who knows the process; I've painted large numbers of Ms, and picked up repainted Ms in Tokyo directly from Shintaro; this is top notch work.
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Alan is very active in the Vintage Camera Collectors group on fb where he shows his latest efforts. He's more than happy to discuss the process.
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