Old 01-31-2017   #41
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never had any issues with mine, I had 3 over the years, without any problems. down to 1 now. which is my main user leica, very convenient camera to use, the battery last forever, and i like the subtle shutter sound too.

I'd look out for a late serial MP-'findered' and 'new dx reader' one.
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Old 01-31-2017   #42
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I had trouble warming up to the M7. I even sold my first one and later bought another. Lately it has become my go-to film Leica. I can use aperture priority for fast, casual shooting, or manual for more considered work. Best of both worlds. No reliability issues.
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Bought my Leica M7 about 4 years ago, and it is easily my favourite Leica to date. The AE fits my shooting style perfectly, and I love the "snick" of the shutter which I find more quiet than any of my other Leicas. I did not encounter any electronic gremlins yet, although the more frequent battery change (compared to the M6 and MP) can be a bit of a bother occasionally. It's also fast to use with its canted rewind knob, and I'm not that bothered by the little blinking displays. The choice of M models is a very personal one, just as some people just cannot warm up to rangefinders in general. It's great there're so many camera choices out there - there's certainly one with your name on it!
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I like to use my m7 (0,58) the only point where I'm not sure is that at least once a year I have to realign the rangefinder. Of course if shooting landscape with a 35mm lens at f 8 it would be not necessary but I do not like when the RF images are not correctly aligned. No other problems with this camera. Maybe I should learn not to care so much...
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Reading again this thread years after my previous post I can only say I'm "envious" of who never experience problems with the M7 !

I still have to check and calibrate the RF very oft, which doesn't happen with my old and humble Bessa! I even sent the camera to Leica in Germany to be sure the technician is able to do it properly but no difference, after a short time again off...

Having said this I do not plan to sell the M7 simply because it is a pleasure to use.

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I've had my M7 since 2005. The DX reader was an issue once or twice but I've had no problems after I started setting the ISO manually. However, I effectively stopped using the camera after Kodachrome was discontinued. 5 years later, I loaded some Portra 400 and shot in tungsten light with a KB3 filter. It was a joy to use.
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Still have those two M7s I mentioned. Neither has had much in the way of wiggy readouts for a while now. The .72 had a loose top-plate about two years ago which NJ put right for free. The .58 was in my lap when my car, going 70mph, collided with a moose on the interstate in April of 2012. Camera was found on the floor, the lenshood full of window glass. There was one small scratch on the advance lever, but no other damage, the rangefinder remained aligned. I continue to shoot it.
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I had a customer who was on the fence about the M7 or an MP. I gave him the pros and cons of each one and said my preference was the MP because of the more reliable shutter and the fact that it's mechanical. He wanted an M7 and was willing to sacrifice the battery and shutter problems. I demo'd two M7s and they both broke on the spot. He walked out with an MP and came in a few months later saying how much he enjoys it. I'm sure what happened was a freak accident but, it happens. I just don't see the point of owning an M that is 100% mechanical. That's most of the point of having a film M.
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I just received one I bought one off the classifieds here. My first non-CL, non-Zeiss Ikon M body in a dozen years of using M-mount lenses.

It's not as heavy as I thought it'd be. Which is good. Is that what they were thinking when they designed so much aluminium and plastic into it?
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I just received one I bought one off the classifieds here. My first non-CL, non-Zeiss Ikon M body in a dozen years of using M-mount lenses.

It's not as heavy as I thought it'd be. Which is good. Is that what they were thinking when they designed so much aluminium and plastic into it?
What aluminum and plastic? The ISO dial is plastic, and the tip covering the film winder.
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Bought my Leica M7 about 4 years ago... I did not encounter any electronic gremlins yet...and I'm not that bothered by the little blinking displays.
Nelson, those little blinking displays are the electronic gremlins.

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I've had my M7 since 2005. The DX reader was an issue once or twice but I've had no problems after I started setting the ISO manually.
So the DX reader is having issues, but you set the ISO manually and then just ignore the little blinking light.

What this thread shows is that there is actually a very large percentage of owners that do have electrical issues. We just deal with it, which for better or worse is kinda ridiculous given the cost of the camera. I;m guilty too, because the camera is just so good to shoot.
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What aluminum and plastic? The ISO dial is plastic, and the tip covering the film winder.
Battery hatch cover and frame preview lever also plastic. Bottom plate, top housing, and rewind knob assembly certainly aren't brass.
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Battery hatch cover and frame preview lever also plastic. Bottom plate, top housing, and rewind knob assembly certainly aren't brass.
Bottom plate and top housing are brass. Scratch them and see.


Not sure about the rewind knob, but it is metal. Frame preview lever is metal. The tiny battery cover is plastic. I guess that is what you mean by so much of the camera is made of plastic.
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Have had mine for 3 or 4 years. No issues. Had the opportunity to send it in for the dx update, use it manually anyway, so left the old one in. Not even sure if it's malfunctioning correctly. I enjoy the blinking lights anyway, it's like a little party in my viewfinder.
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Well, the black chrome on mine's bottom plate is (honorably) scuffed enough that I don't need to scratch it further to see cold white metal peeking through. But it may not in fact be aluminium; an old speaker magnet on my fridge says the bottom plate is mildly magnetic. Stainless steel?
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Well, the black chrome on mine's bottom plate is (honorably) scuffed enough that I don't need to scratch it further to see cold white metal peeking through. But it may not in fact be aluminium; an old speaker magnet on my fridge says the bottom cover is mildly magnetic. Stainless steel?
That is the nickel layer below the black chrome layer. Leica went back using brass for the top-plate with the M6TTL millennium and LHSA editions, which were black paint. The M7 was the first camera after the M5 with brass top and black chrome and early models had a very easy to scratch chrome layer where you can literally rub the chrome layer off.
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There is a nickel layer between the brass and chrome, as mentioned above. I'm not sure how much aluminum is in this camera, but it doesn't seem to be much. There are the few plastic bits, as mentioned above - tip of wind lever, battery cover, film take up tulip.

For me, I had a Nikon F3 for over a quarter century before I obtained the M7. The M7 is as easy to shoot as the F3. The big plus which nobody has discussed so far is TTL flash control. This takes out a lot of mental calculation with guide numbers (still the most reliable way to determine flash exposure).

Further, the M7 can fire just before the second curtain moves (second curtain synch), offers strobe capability (multiple flashes per exposure), and high speed flash synch with SCA 3502 flash units. I can also dial in exposure compensation into the flash unit, and have multiunit TTL control through the Metz system.
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I enjoy the blinking lights anyway, it's like a little party in my viewfinder.

But unfortunately yet another 'defective' one..

How can Olympus (for example) get the DX to work on my craplastic Stylus that is worth $10, but Leica can't on a $5000 camera?
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My 0.85x is used with the 75 Lux and 50 Noct and I can't imagine a better combination. Not a used very much the last 5 years but haven't had any problems.
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like i said, maybe it is working. not sure..
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I've had my M7 (.72) since about a year after it came out. Mine is a very early one and I had the condenser upgrade added to the RF to fix the viewfinder flare. The first two batches were missing the condenser and Leica added it later on. Mine also has the original style DX reader and that has also never given me a problem. Cartridges come out without a problem and I've never had one get stuck.

I've put a few hundred rolls through mine and it's seen extensive travel. The camera has been used heavily, but not abused and it's never given me a problem.

I had a routine maintenance performed after the first 5 years, but that was purely preventive maintenance. The technician found nothing wrong with it except a little dirt and changed the lubricants.

Its a great camera. Very silent and just feels really nice in hand. AE comes in handy at times. The worst I can say about the M7 is that it has the post M4-P .7 meter frame lines, which means the 50mm markings are closer to a 60mm. But they work fine with the 28 and 35.
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But unfortunately yet another 'defective' one..

How can Olympus (for example) get the DX to work on my craplastic Stylus that is worth $10, but Leica can't on a $5000 camera?
It seems like a big piece of it is the bottom loading. The cassette needs to be loose enough to move in and out, but that seems to be problematic for a consistent read of the dx. Most cameras have some sort of clip or spring type means of keeping the film very tightly held. An early modification was an extra washer for the cassette end of the bottom plate, to prevent up and down movement within the camera. Not always enough. Hmmm, I may try an additional shim in one...

The newer reader is a good improvement, I rarely have any blinks unrelated to battery life or a well used reloadable cassette with wear to the Dx Code.
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A leica shooter should be able to set properly iso when loading the film and wouldn't need a dx reader of course just joking, I understand that if there is a reader it should work without problems! But I always set iso manually!
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Well I just got my new to me M7. Second time around. Paid a bit more but got it from KEH who are very good at backing up their sale plus providing a 6 month repair warranty. Yehaa!!


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I've had two early M7s, with the electrical DX film speed reader. Both gave me episodes of wierd ISO readings. Sometimes I had to set the film speed manually to get on with shooting.

I had both changed to the optical film speed reader, and also had the MP finder fix at the same time. The first was perfect upon return from Leica NJ. The second one went wonky and kept saying ISO 5000, even when I tried to set the film speed manually. I returned it to Leica NJ, and they changed the circuit board associated with the optical film speed reader, under warranty. Since then, it has worked fine.

I think that the electronics will either act up right away, or they never will. I had a Nikon F3 for 28 years, and the circuitry works fine today. As long as you don't use ancient electronic flashes with 600V on the terminals, or give your camera a bath in seawater, you should be fine with reasonable care.
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A leica shooter should be able to set properly iso when loading the film and wouldn't need a dx reader of course just joking, I understand that if there is a reader it should work without problems! But I always set iso manually!
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PS: and yes, the shutter sound is delicious...
I do wish they never bothered with the DX reader. It would have saved them money, saved us grief, and they could have spun it as a purer experience. I wouldn't have even cared if it cost the same!
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The oft maligned film speed reader is very helpful to me. I just shot a roll of Rollei 25 thinking that it was Cinestill 50, in my M4-2. I had to have the darkroom folks push it 1 stop.

At least with the M7, I can look at the film speed when I turn the camera on, and have an idea of what film I have in there.
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At least with the M7, I can look at the film speed when I turn the camera on, and have an idea of what film I have in there.
Not if it is blinking 100. Or 5000..

I got the 5000 message shooting Cinestill 800. Cinestill film is not DX coded, but I guess the markings on the canister cause confusion. But while it gave the 5000 message, it set the exposure correctly via my manually set ISO dial.
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I wonder if the M6 back door could be swapped for the M7 door....
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I've had an M7 for about 6 years now, it is over all my favorite Leica.
The shutter dial is nearly perfect.
The viewfinder/light meter is nearly perfect too.

I did have an electrical/shutter problem with mine about 4 years ago and it went to DAG, no problems since then.
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It seems to me that there is an awful lot of M7 bashing going on in this "In praise of the Leica M7" thread. I, for one, still enjoy using mine, which was purchased new in 2004. Yes, the electrical DX reader failed after 10 years of use, but Leica repaired it with no charge. How many manufactures would repair a 10 year old product, much less at no charge, these days?

Every other "issue" brought up here is a matter of opinion. I prefer that the camera has a warning "blinking light" when not set to DX or the box speed. I prefer to have aperture priority automation, TTL flash and an electronic shutter, all of which require batteries. Carrying spare batteries and needing to change them once a year or so is a small price to pay for the automation.
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i have a weird M7 question and didn't know where to post it.

does the M7 being electronic, need to be checked for shutter speed accuracy like the other mechanical sisters or is it always spot on?

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