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Old 04-30-2012   #51
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I personally love flickr. It's many different things to many different people. And to some degree it's what you make it.

It's not just a great place for me to share photos -- I've also learned a LOT there. Because of the tagging/searching technology, I look at flickr as a huge database of photos that I can search for anything that might interest me. How does the 50mm Summarit f/1.5 look on Tri-X? Search flickr. How do other people's Ektar scans come out compared to mine? Search flickr. How does Efke 50 look in Rodinal 1+50? You get the picture...

I'm one of those with thousands of photos on flickr (over 2,500 at this point, with nearly a million views). I take a lot of photos, and I share and tag them, to some degree, in order to contribute to the great database of photos that is flickr. (Note that I didn't say "database of great photos").

Flickr's community features are great too. I think they do a great job of tracking user comments on photos, and the groups have been very useful to me (the only problem with groups is they don't notify you when a topic you've started is updated).

I don't pay much attention to Explore. Nor do I do anything to try to get there. Every once in a while I'll look to see what I've posted that may have made it to Explore. A few of my uploads have made it. Most have been my paintings and drawings. A few have been photos that I've liked pretty well, and a few more are total mysteries -- a boring picture of an iPod and a boring picture of a watercolor palette (which has over 7,300 views -- apparently a lot of people want to see what a secondary color palette looks like), etc.

Just for fun, here's a "poster" of my explored stuff, to annoy the haters



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Old 04-30-2012   #52
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Don't forget the over abundance of crappy HDR shots
AMEN!!! HDR is a great tool used in moderation. There are a few subjects that can stand max HDR settings, but holy F**K, not every shot that is posted. I guess that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It reminds me of a photo book a friend of mine had published. Many beautiful mountain scenic shots. About 80% had waterfalls or streams photographed at a slow shutter speed to give the soft blurred water effect. It looked very nice for the first few photos then became very tiresome and somewhat boring.

There are quite a few RFF members that have posted excellent work on Flickr. I have had an account with Flickr for a few years and will probably continue to do so.



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Old 04-30-2012   #53
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I follow a select group of people whose work I draw inspiration from. Most are from RFF. I add them as my contacts. I don't bother about Explore at all.

PS: Can someone please look at my Flickr and tell me whether I am guilty of contributing garbage or not?
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It's funny that I just got on Explore tonight as we are talking about this.


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Old 05-01-2012   #55
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Funny thing is I learned about Flickr from Ken Rockwell as a site which doesn't lock on certain genre or style. And he is true. So when he get blamed I do not care to join. Photo sites in the academic vein aren't my cup of tea.
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It's funny that I just got on Explore tonight as we are talking about this.


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Dude, pretty much every one of your portraits is explore-worthy!
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Old 05-01-2012   #57
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guess every free or almost free photo hosting eventually turns to growing pile of mundane photos. agree with maddoc about groups being good way to reduce the noise.
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Old 05-01-2012   #58
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I have one photo that's been explored... it was a joke photo my friend asked me to take... none of my serious work has ever been explored though... don't know if that means that I produce bad photos when I'm trying, if I produce better photos when I don't care, or if the hoi poloi has bad taste...

1243 views. I remember seeing about 900 within the first two-three days of uploading... I also remember being a little ashamed that THIS was the photo that made explore.

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I also remember being a little ashamed that THIS was the photo that made explore.
Also remember photographers usually are bad editors. I'm not saying this is genious work but sometimes photographers are too attached to their work and can not really judge own work.
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Old 05-01-2012   #60
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There are some great street photography groups on Flickr (HCSP and SPNC for example) with interviews and discussions that are worth spending time there. Some of the best contemporary street photographers participate there. I don't care much for the Explore thingie, but this was the only photo of mine that once got Explored... a street child portrait.


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Dude, pretty much every one of your portraits is explore-worthy!
haha based on this discussion I don't know if "explore-worthy" is a good thing

But ya, I don't know why it made it when I had other more popular ones that didn't. But I do consider the public taste to some degree, even though that doesn't mean I would change my methodology to make what they want to see.
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Q about paid pro-account. once the period ends, does the site force 200 image limit again, and all but latest 200 images are hidden? or perhaps it limits to current images, and starts hiding again from the oldest?
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Q about paid pro-account. once the period ends, does the site force 200 image limit again, and all but latest 200 images are hidden? or perhaps it limits to current images, and starts hiding again from the oldest?
They describe it on the site, but to my recollection everything you've uploaded stays, but the amateur (non-pro ) account limitations kick back in on new stuff.
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haha based on this discussion I don't know if "explore-worthy" is a good thing

But ya, I don't know why it made it when I had other more popular ones that didn't. But I do consider the public taste to some degree, even though that doesn't mean I would change my methodology to make what they want to see.

Heh. Yeah, I think "interestingness" (as flickr calls it) is an appropriate name for what gets stuff into Explore. Their algorithm just figures out "interestingness" based on a number of static and dynamic attributes of uploaded photos. It doesn't measure "meaning", or "beauty", or "importance" or "taste", or whatever. Just, "is it interesting by some definition of interesting?"

Your photos, esp your cosplay portraits, are all interesting, so they're all Explore material, IMO.

Anyway, all that typing I did wasn't directed right at you, but to explain to everyone why some pretty bad stuff finds its way into Explore. It was at least interesting, in some way, for some period of time.
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Heh. Yeah, I think "interestingness" (as flickr calls it) is an appropriate name for what gets stuff into Explore. Their algorithm just figures out "interestingness" based on a number of static and dynamic attributes of uploaded photos. It doesn't measure "meaning", or "beauty", or "importance" or "taste", or whatever. Just, "is it interesting by some definition of interesting?"

Your photos, esp your cosplay portraits, are all interesting, so they're all Explore material, IMO.

Anyway, all that typing I did wasn't directed right at you, but to explain to everyone why some pretty bad stuff finds its way into Explore. It was at least interesting, in some way, for some period of time.
Yes Mike, cosplay will be my long-term project to pursue at least until the end of next year. Hopefully I can turn this project into a book eventually.
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Q about paid pro-account. once the period ends, does the site force 200 image limit again, and all but latest 200 images are hidden? or perhaps it limits to current images, and starts hiding again from the oldest?

That's pretty much it. Flickr claims that all your photos are kept on their servers but only the most recently uploaded 200 of them are displayed unless you ante up. And of course over time as you add new photos, some drop off the bottom of the lsit of 200. But $25 per year is such a trivial amount I am more than happy to do so. Another slightly odd thing I have noticed is that if you erase an image the number of hits it has had (which contribute to your overall hit count) stay in your stats. This is understandable, I guess, on the grounds that those stats are supposed to represent how many people have visited your page / images - but it did strike me as surprising at first. I assume the same applies to the photos hidden when your account reverts to a free one.
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Can someone please look at my Flickr and tell me whether I am guilty of contributing garbage or not?
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You have some great photos on Flickr.

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PS: Can someone please look at my Flickr and tell me whether I am guilty of contributing garbage or not?
They are not totally garbage but they are also not very interesting for most others.
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I use flickr almost every day. That means, I go online and upload a photo or two and browse some groups I enjoy (HCSP for one). Call me an asshole but I almost never comment other peoples photos. I just like having a place where I can make sets and show my work to friends.

I've been on explore over 15 times in the last year or so, but I honestly don't pay much attention to it because as stated in this thread, most of the stuff up there is garbage.

People need to remember that explore is a popularity algorithm, rather than an image quality algorithm. It simply showcases what people like that day.
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Not sure why I got on Explore again today. I guess flickr thought that she was a doll?


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I find Flickr quite helpfull when considering lenses. Any lens can show 10 good pictures in a thread on rff. And with enough post processing any lens can be made to look like any other in one picture. But look through a whole flickr group of a particular lens and you usually get a feel for it's characteristics. Thankfully a flickr has many bad pictures on it that can show the pitfalls of any lens.
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Flickr is mosty cr@p of course. That doesnt mean it doesnt have its moments of brilliance, or that you cant find a nice little fringe that works for you.

A few years ago I had a small portfolio of street shots and nothing to do with them, so I sent them to in-public. A couple of days later Blake Edwards' mailbox responded with a copy-paste message that "my portfolio is not suitable for in-pubic at this stage" or something along those lines, so I said LOL, I didnt expect to get into in-public I was just after some feedback. Blake said the best place for that back then was the HCSP critique thread. So I started a flickr account just for that and he was right, it was great and still is, at least for this genre of photography. Later I managed to get a few photos in the pool and I actually felt quite proud, not because it means anything, but because I knew why they got in, they looked how I wanted them to look and it was the result of a conscious effort and a gradual improvement. The group is also a massive resource for books, videos, news and all sorts of discussions around street photography, eg it was the place that John Maloof came to 3 years ago to figure out what to do with Vivian Meier's box of negatives. That discussion is still going.

I also follow a local group of film photographers, we run exhibitions and comps through there, swap gear and even organise our bulk orders of film from overseas which in Australia can save you a fair bit of money.

Those 2 groups are the only reason I have a flickr account, as for "explore" I'm not even sure what it is to be honest.

Flickr can be nice, ignore explore and find your fringe. Find likeminded people, they're in there somewhere.
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Maybe I don't know about it enough but I actually don't like the HCSP group. To me they are really restricting "street photography" down to the particular type that they prefer and I think a lot of people think that that is the type of stuff to go for, when it's only just one particular type of photography among many other possibilities.
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For the love of all things holy...speaking of flickr, I managed to stumble across some guy called Trey Ratcliff (aka Stuck in Customs), who specializes in making my eyes ache through what seems like a direct injection of hallucinogens into my retina. We can debate the merits of HDR, I suppose, but this is ridiculous.

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Maybe I don't know about it enough but I actually don't like the HCSP group. To me they are really restricting "street photography" down to the particular type that they prefer and I think a lot of people think that that is the type of stuff to go for, when it's only just one particular type of photography among many other possibilities.
hmmm... yes and no, they do have modern/unusual preferences but will promote various classic style street shot as long as they're good. Besides, who is they? The "admins" have changed at least 5 times that I can remember, and with them changes the whole aesthetic of the group.

Regardless, it's always a good place for honest critique. Maybe too honest for most.
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