120 Color film for long exposures ?

[karlori]

Hi,

I've finally set up my MF kit as I wanted and now I have a few questions regarding film, i am already set on what B&W film I'll use for the projects ahead but I'd like to try something new.
When I had digital I always enjoyed the long exposure/instant gratification of it, now I'm looking for film that can give me exposures lasting for couple of minutes and get great results.
I'll do mostly landscapes and have a number of ideas I'd like to try at dawn or in the middle of the night, mostly out of city and fairly away from the city/artificial lighting.
What would your recommendations be for a 120 color film for long exposures and will be on the market for at least till the end of the year ?

TiA!

[thegman]

Velvia 100 is great, no exposure compensation required up to 2 minutes. I'd imagine it'll be on the market until the end of the year, but if it's not, it won't vanish into thin air, you'll still be able to stock up.

[karlori]

Originally Posted by thegman

Velvia 100 is great, no exposure compensation required up to 2 minutes. I'd imagine it'll be on the market until the end of the year, but if it's not, it won't vanish into thin air, you'll still be able to stock up.

Thats true, i think even my local shop stock some,thanks.

[sevo]

Provia 100F has the least reciprocity effect of all colour slide film - so you might want to go with that. Velvia 100F, Astia and E100G come second, but the latter two have been discontinued.

CN film tends to be a bit less well behaved per se, but then, they don't need more than that, filtration in scanning or printing can compensate for just about every reciprocity tint - so they are overall less problematic when it comes to long exposures.

[karlori]

Oh I've forgotten, absolutely no slides, the nearest lab that does slides is like 500km away from here ... Thank you for your input but unfortunately I'll have to stay confined just to C41...

[thegman]

OK, if you don't want mail order processing, then how about Reala 100? Apparently at 2 minutes, you need to add one stop of exposure, which on negative film is barely noticeable really.

[karlori]

Originally Posted by thegman

OK, if you don't want mail order processing, then how about Reala 100? Apparently at 2 minutes, you need to add one stop of exposure, which on negative film is barely noticeable really.

The problem is I'd have to send off the film at least to Italy if not to Austria to get it developed and god know how much hassle I'd get with our customs ...

[Fotohuis]

Fuji Reala 100. It's available in 120 roll film (only).

Maybe you have to do your own C41 development. It's not very difficult and very convenient instead of sending film far away to a lab.

[karlori]

C41 is developed in almost every photo studio and store here so that's no problem but E6 is not available for at least 10 years now...

[Fotohuis]

Then your situation is better then in the Netherlands. C41 roll film can be done but only in the big cities. Here in Ravenstein (Oss, 95.000 habitants) there is not one lab left for C41. E6 is already very rare. Only a few places left.

So I am doing my own B&W and C41 film development, 35mm and 120 roll films. (Jobo CPA-2, with elevator) which is very convenient.

[karlori]

Originally Posted by Fotohuis

Then your situation is better then in the Netherlands. C41 roll film can be done but only in the big cities. Here in Ravenstein (Oss, 95.000 habitants) there is not one lab left for C41. E6 is already very rare. Only a few places left.

So I am doing my own B&W and C41 film development, 35mm and 120 roll films. (Jobo CPA-2, with elevator) which is very convenient.

In Rijeka (est. 130 000 inhabitants) we have 3 shops that are film only (dev any format b&w and c41), around 5-6 photo studios that do dev and some 4-5 misc shops that also do c41.
At less than 2€ per roll at one place i frequent for same day development I have no problems getting C41 developed, now finding some non mainstream film or sheet film is a different story... I think no business in Croatia does E6 on a weekly or monthly basis...
I was thinking of starting an mail in E6/C41 service for Croatia and other CEFTA members (neighboring countries) but the startup costs would kill the idea right in its tracks.

[karlori]

Originally Posted by aperture64

I use Provia 100F for star trails and have used Ektar 100 for full moon stuff longer than 5 minutes.

Great Info, thanks !

[Prince Wong]

I have try Ektar end pro160

more:http://www.flickr.com/photos/deathkn...7629287469243/

[HHPhoto]

Hi,

Originally Posted by karlori

In Rijeka (est. 130 000 inhabitants) we have 3 shops that are film only (dev any format b&w and c41), around 5-6 photo studios that do dev and some 4-5 misc shops that also do c41.

interesting, that's quite a lot for a city of that size.

Originally Posted by karlori

I think no business in Croatia does E6 on a weekly or monthly basis...

Do you think or do you really know for sure?
No E6 lab in Zagreb, a city with 700,000 inhabitants, and 1,1 million people in the whole surroundings?

Originally Posted by karlori

I was thinking of starting an mail in E6/C41 service for Croatia and other CEFTA members (neighboring countries) but the startup costs would kill the idea right in its tracks.

I don't think so: Used lab machines in good condition are currently available at extremely low prices. Sometimes you even get them for free, and have only the transportation costs.
Have a look at the German/Austrian/Suisse market. There are regularly used labs offered.
A very good friend of mine has excellent contacts to two lab owners. One of them has bought two C-41 Colentas, one E6 Colenta and one minilab at ridicolous low prices, he got even one machine for free.
I think it is really wort a second look.

To your original question: My recommendation is also Provia 100F. Excellent film for long exposures.

Cheers, Jan

[karlori]

Hi Jan,

Rijeka had quite a strong photo community from 1950's to 1980/90... Today not so much, lots of the studio and shops owners are children or grandchildren of our older photographer generations.
Regarding Zagreb there is one business that does E6 but just for sheet film and in really limited batches (from what i have gathered they dev once per month if not even less) they have quoted me near 10€+post both ways per roll of 120 a year ago (no scanning)...
Regarding the machines I visit Germany almost on a monthly basis ( mostly Munich-Ingolstadt-Augsburg), I'd manage to find a deal there, i saw a catalog of businesses going into liquidation and I've seen once a whole studio lighting + dev equipment/machines go for less than 1000€ ... I am afraid to think the amount of tax and customs fees i'd have to shell out for the chemistry and machines - probably a couple of times more than the cost of the consumables and machines themselves ...
Oh and thanks for the input regarding the film type.

[sevo]

Originally Posted by karlori

In Rijeka

Couldn't you drop off E6 film at a DM-Markt? I remember at least two in town (one central, one on the southern perimeter - if it isn't the same one that relocated), and they have the same printing services as the German ones. I haven't checked for a year or two whether the lab corners of the Croatian ones still take film for development - but in the past they were doing the regular processing through Cewe Germany there.

[sevo]

Originally Posted by karlori

I am afraid to think the amount of tax and customs fees i'd have to shell out for the chemistry and machines

Hold your breath until next year, when the customs and tax borders will drop.

[karlori]

Originally Posted by sevo

Couldn't you drop off E6 film at a DM-Markt? I remember at least two in town (one central, one on the southern perimeter - if it isn't the same one that relocated), and they have the same printing services as the German ones. I haven't checked for a year or two whether the lab corners of the Croatian ones still take film for development - but in the past they were doing the regular processing through Cewe Germany there.

I don't remember ever hearing about their services from anyone, the shops are still here but I'd rather not give my undeveloped film to some of the workers there to handle it no matter if it's just forwarding the film to the right company...

Originally Posted by sevo

Hold your breath until next year, when the customs and tax borders will drop.

Ebay.de here i come

[HHPhoto]

Originally Posted by karlori

I don't remember ever hearing about their services from anyone, the shops are still here but I'd rather not give my undeveloped film to some of the workers there to handle it no matter if it's just forwarding the film to the right company...

There is almost nothing to handle for the employees: You yourself put your film in the standardised development envelope there and put the envelope in a special box there which is dedicated for the coming in films.
The employees of the dm drugstore then only give the box with films to the courier of the lab. That's all.
At least that's the system in Germany, and I doubt that it is different in Croatia's dm stores.

Furthermore there are lots of German professional labs which are doing mail order and international business, e.g. www.photostudio13.de .
Mail ordering with them is very easy, quality is top.

Originally Posted by karlori

Ebay.de here i come

There are much much better online sources for film, chemistry and gear in Germany than ebay. Just ask the Germans here in forum what you need, and we will give you the best sources.

Welcome in the EU .

Cheers, Jan

[josh.sa]

Originally Posted by karlori

Hi,

I've finally set up my MF kit as I wanted and now I have a few questions regarding film, i am already set on what B&W film I'll use for the projects ahead but I'd like to try something new.
When I had digital I always enjoyed the long exposure/instant gratification of it, now I'm looking for film that can give me exposures lasting for couple of minutes and get great results.
I'll do mostly landscapes and have a number of ideas I'd like to try at dawn or in the middle of the night, mostly out of city and fairly away from the city/artificial lighting.
What would your recommendations be for a 120 color film for long exposures and will be on the market for at least till the end of the year ?

TiA!

here's my first attempt at start trails. its on Ektar, shot with a Yashica Mat 124G, about 18 minutes at around f6.5. There was one light coming from the back section of the house across the street that probably didnt help much in terms of color, but I'm pretty satisfied with it.


Untitled by de.ideas, on Flickr