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Photobucket Hosting Changes

It seems that Photobucket, who I have used as a host for over ten years has suddenly decided to replace every image link with an ad unless I pay them $40 a month. I can't see spending that kind of money, and going back and re-uploading everything to my new Flickr and then re-linking ten years of posts is really daunting, so sorry. I've contacted customer "support" but they don't seem to give a feck. Hopefully the ad will be replaced by the images again at some point, it really seems sleazy. They have been getting more and more obnoxious with screen filling ads for questionable websites that require reloading the page to dismiss, so I suppose it shouldn't be a surprise that they've leveraged a decade of hosted photographs by so many into free advertisers. My advice is to avoid them like the plague.
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Sorry to hear this, Bob. I suppose it's the nature of the internet that nothing is permanent. Many older threads are already filled with empty image placeholders.
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any apology should come from Photobucket. They are pretty much getting reamed, but it appears (so far) that they are not going to change their minds...
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No apology necessary. Last time something like this happened to me, I decided to use Flickr for hosting forum and tumblr images, thinking it would be free and stable forever. But who knows what Verizon will do with it. If the worst happens, RFF threads will be empty indeed.

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At some point Flicker was free and I added photos. Because I was a Yahoo customer or some other, I was promised a free pro account for life. A year later, I got a bill.

Moved on to Bucket.

I am done putting photos on the net.
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I am quite happy with smugmug. Roland recommended it, I think.
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I've been wondering if there is any means within the forum software to cache image links from when the lists are made or last edited? I too have seen many "missing" image links here and elsewhere, seems like this should have a workaround of some sort.

I do wish it was not hundreds if not two thousand Photobucket ads coming from me, especially now that they are such pr1cks about it. Perhaps a class action suit?...
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That just happened to me Bob. So all images I have posted here are now missing/populated with whatever photobucket has replaced them with.

The process they used to get to this point was sleazy. They first started to pump my account with more and more pop ups, with the advice to pay extra to remove the ads. When I didn't bite, they sent me a note saying that I was in violation of their recently updated terms of service by linking my images to 3rd party websites. i.e. like this one.

It's alright, I don't need to post the pics. Everyone knows how amazing they are anyway.

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I just went there and grabbed a link which I seemed to able to do as per usual with no problems.

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And I do have the basic free account. What gives?

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Always knew you had the magic touch Keith!
- it does seem strange.

I raised the question of how to identify and remove orphan image links in thread posts a year or two ago and I think the answer was it's not possible to automate that. The safest option is to link to pics in the RFF gallery - but that's not always desirable or practicable.

Bob - no apology necessary, the digital age has its drawbacks!
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So I guess that all those photographers who were using Photobucket to host their images are now not going to be using Photobucket for prints.
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Photobucket still works for me...! For now...


That was my thought ... they haven't got around to screwing us yet! lol
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Have people stopped printing their images and creating photo books? Storage on the Internet may not be permanent. Best to keep your "negatives" on a hard drive -- but even these will deteriorate over time.
I use Smugmug as well as a hard drive. Don't like Smugmug's redesign very much but it's Ok for storage and for delivering images.
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There are add-ons for some forum software that will take links and convert them to attachments. Not sure if this is available for vbulletin.

Some image links are obviously still working
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I'm just guessing, but usually for a company to do such radical and in this case, unpleasant changes, there could have been a change in photobucket's management.
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Have people stopped printing their images and creating photo books? Storage on the Internet may not be permanent. Best to keep your "negatives" on a hard drive -- but even these will deteriorate over time.
I use Smugmug as well as a hard drive. Don't like Smugmug's redesign very much but it's Ok for storage and for delivering images.
Sites like photobucket are just so I can goof around and post stuff on websites like this one.
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At some point Flicker was free and I added photos. Because I was a Yahoo customer or some other, I was promised a free pro account for life. A year later, I got a bill.

Moved on to Bucket.

I am done putting photos on the net.
Flickr is still free and I'm still using it, they are a solid solution.

The only way to avoid this is to pony up and pay for hosting someplace. I would not be surprised if Flickr went this route down the road as well.
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i still have a 'pro' account at flickr...pay 25 bucks a year and have no problems with the site afa posting pics...and no adds...
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Photobucket just nixed me...lol..time to switch..
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Well, I guess all my links will be switched soon, if not already, since I have also been using Photobucket for several years.
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been using Google Photos for a while now (few years). it works best on Android devices, but is avail for Apple ecosystem too. for sharing on forums and blogs, its not the best solution least yet, but I've grown to like how well it works with everything else.
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This case really represents the 'danger' with cloud computing. You've left you data in the hands of another, and you're basically at their mercy.

Hosting yourself is the only option to be responsible for your own data.
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I've used Photobucket as well, but yesterday I deleted my account and all images on the site. I really don't want to be held hostage by those guys, so deletion of account was the only real option.

Additionally, there are quite a few troublesome issues in their terms of use, for instance this one:
"When you make your Content public, you grant us a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, non-revocable, right and license to copy, sell, convey, distribute, stream, post, publicly display (e.g. post it elsewhere), reproduce and create derivative works from it (meaning things based on it), whether in print or any kind of electronic version that exists now or is later developed, for any purpose, including a commercial purpose with the right to sublicense such rights to others."
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I have noticed that recently there are a lot of broken links for thread photos from Photo Bucket... now I know why!

In this sort of pickle, I think I'd dig through my RFF posts looking for ones with linked photos... tedious if you have a bunch... and then it appears that RFF presents you with only the most recent 1000. Of course you'd want to replace those links with fresh ones to the same pics hosted elsewhere... What a chore, easier to identify before the old links break... good luck!

Other than the 6 or so pics uploaded to Flickr to see how it worked, all my online photos are here in the RFF Gallery. It's been easy to post links to those pics to other websites as well as RFF threads.
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This is why I have always advised photographers to have their own personal websites. If you own the site, you control it, and no one can screw you.

Yes, it costs money to buy a domain name (about $15 a year) and to pay a hosing company ($10-$20 a month), and I know some people stamp their feet and cry when told to pay for something online, but that is really not much money to have full control over your web presence. And yes, you may have to pay someone to design it if you don't have the skills to do web design. So what; most of you guys have spent enormous sums of money on gear. Some of you have $20,000 or more in Leica lenses and bodies. If you can afford that, you can afford a website.

There is no such thing as 'free.' Look at all the hand-wringing over the terms of service of companies like Flickr, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, etc. Fears that they'll sell your images, etc. Never had to worry about that; my images are on my website where I pay a reputable hosting company to serve the site to visitors.
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I effectively gave up on Photobucket years ago. It went downhill perhaps 10 years back and more recently it is far worse than it was even back then. It just became so ugly and demoralizing to look at and use. And more recently it is also slow, buggy and dysfunctional. I pay $25 per year at Flickr for pro membership and am happy with their site. I am not sure if this rate is still open as I seem to recall it was a short term offer when they started taking adverts some years ago open to existing members. I have only used Photobucket in more recent years for hosting a few (very few) images that I did not want on Flickr and which I used for the RFF site for example when I needed to post an image to one of my posts. A few weeks back I tried to access an image I knew I had on Photobucket to post in a thread and it was horrible - just as you said every click was a new advert. It is also slow and buggy to upload to and navigate. Anyone paying $40 would have rocks in their head as its way way way over what you would get for your money even without the adverts.
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...The process they used to get to this point was sleazy. They first started to pump my account with more and more pop ups, with the advice to pay extra to remove the ads. When I didn't bite, they sent me a note saying that I was in violation of their recently updated terms of service by linking my images to 3rd party websites. i.e. like this one...
Exactly the MO they used with me.


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And I do have the basic free account. What gives?

Maybe if I get to Photobucket through an Australian VPN....

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So I guess that all those photographers who were using Photobucket to host their images are now not going to be using Photobucket for prints.
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...And more recently it is also slow, buggy and dysfunctional...
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I've used Photobucket as well, but yesterday I deleted my account and all images on the site...
And your old posts don't show the ad, only the old "Photo Not Found" image.

I suppose I should also delete the whole thing.

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...my images are on my website where I pay a reputable hosting company to serve the site to visitors.
And do you post images here that reside on your own site? If I can generate an IMG link that might be simplest.
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This is why I have always advised photographers to have their own personal websites. ...
problem with such websites is that they continue cost you in plugging security holes and other maintenance. and when Google, Apple, Microsoft, Firefox develop their browsers, they may break something that your website depend on. so, enter re-development costs that often come without warning.

(IMO) old style websites fit quite poorly to this age mobile apps, social media integration and presence on search engines. least, unless you have budget big enough to tackle these issues.
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I use my own hosting through Blue Host (for my website that I have never built and keep meaning to ). I can't remember what it is per month, I usually pay 2 years in advance. It's really not too much if I recall.
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I always uploaded images directly to my RFF gallery and copy&paste from there into any thread. It's no the most convenient process but if you do it on a regular basis it becomes easy enough.

As others mentioned already, in the end there is no such thing like a free lunch.
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And do you post images here that reside on your own site? If I can generate an IMG link that might be simplest.
Yep, all the images I post in my "Photos from Ft. Wayne" thread and in other RFF threads are hosted on my website. Its completely painless to do. I just right click the image on my site, choose "Copy image location" and then paste the resulting address for the image into the RFF thread using the IMG button or IMG tags.
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And I do have the basic free account. What gives?
Keith, I think what works for you is you are in Australia, looks like the new PB rules don't apply there.

Consumer protection laws? Or they just haven't got around to you yet?
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Yep, all the images I post in my "Photos from Ft. Wayne" thread and in other RFF threads are hosted on my website. Its completely painless to do. I just right click the image on my site, choose "Copy image location" and then paste the resulting address for the image into the RFF thread using the IMG button or IMG tags.
I shall give this a try.





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I shall give this a try.

Easy peasy! Thanks.

Cool abstract images. I like them!
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This is why I have always advised photographers to have their own personal websites. If you own the site, you control it, and no one can screw you.

Yes, it costs money to buy a domain name (about $15 a year) and to pay a hosing company ($10-$20 a month), and I know some people stamp their feet and cry when told to pay for something online, but that is really not much money to have full control over your web presence. And yes, you may have to pay someone to design it if you don't have the skills to do web design. So what; most of you guys have spent enormous sums of money on gear. Some of you have $20,000 or more in Leica lenses and bodies. If you can afford that, you can afford a website.

There is no such thing as 'free.' Look at all the hand-wringing over the terms of service of companies like Flickr, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, etc. Fears that they'll sell your images, etc. Never had to worry about that; my images are on my website where I pay a reputable hosting company to serve the site to visitors.
Chris,

Thanks for this post. I have no online presence, but I see wisdom in having control over my rights and content.

A website seems the way to go.

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