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View Poll Results: When Will We See A Production Konost Camera?
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Old 02-24-2015   #41
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I think that Leica sold well over 60.000 digital rf cameras since M8 so yes, there is one hell of a market over there.
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Old 02-24-2015   #42
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I applaud their efforts and wish them luck!
Me too... they just aren't getting any money from me until they have an actual camera that works well.
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I hope this happens. I can't afford Leica glass, but I can see me with one of these and a nice set of Voigtlander lenses....
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I think that Leica sold well over 60.000 digital rf cameras since M8 so yes, there is one hell of a market over there.
60,000 thousand digital bodies over 5(6?) models isn't exactly a booming trade...Canon or Nikon probably sells that many cameras in a week or two.
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Old 02-24-2015   #45
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It´s not a bad idea, they can profit from decades of great lenses alreay made for leica.

Hope it sees light soon.

Perhaps not such a handsome cmaera thou.
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I like the form factor. Reminds me of the Ricoh GR line, which is an eminently usable form factor. I would pay $1500-$2000 for one, if the sensor performance was at least on par with the M9. Otherwise I'll just continue to wait for used digital M prices to drop.
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Old 02-24-2015   #47
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I wonder if Konost will be on Shark Tank.

Apparently Konost is a startup looking for funding.

Time will tell. Nevertheless, its nice to see a potential competitor knocking on the door of Leica's customer base.

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In any scenario, people thinking about and actively developing a new digital rangefinder camera is a good thing.

The best of luck for Konost. I sincerely hope they find the funding they need.

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Not in the market for a digital right now. Maybe in about 15 years when I have the MA broken in.

But it will certainly be fun to watch.
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Now if they added an iso knob and got rid of the screen on the back...

Buying in a sensor and programming an fpga is going to be the easiest part I suspect. Getting the colours right and a reliable shutter is harder.
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This Konost digital RF camera is almost as exciting news as that sports car that runs on salt water.

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I hope the Konost RF makes it to production.

But I think I will hold out for the black paint pre-brassed Lenny Kravitz version,
or the olive Safari,
or the David Douglas Duncan edition
or better yet the special HCB edition
which replaces the sensor with oil pallet in keeping with HCB's late life change from photography to painting.

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Well, I do hope they make it.
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Or at least the APS-C version under $1.5k.
Not the kind to do up-close-and-personal photo, so the crop won't bother me too much.

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I note that Konost has a facebook page and has had for at least four months that I can make out ... it has less than 500 'likes' which tells me a lot about who does and doesn't want a camera like this. I'm not trying to rain on the parade here but a reality check tells me that success is unlikely in the current market.
They're just doing bad job in promoting themselves.
Just found out about them yesterday from TOP.
Seems like Bellamy picked up the story too, and now Petapixel also have them, so it will reach the more mainstream crowds.

Although with the usual trend curve, it will be like Ferrania story. Calms down after a few weeks.
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I'm hoping that it comes to market.
The idea has been discussed here for aeons.

Am I the only one who would miss being able to see outside the frame? (Or was it rather me who missed something?) That framing plus the coincident image is together what makes the RF/VF so cool.
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So much hate... *shakes head*

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Wow, you have an MA?

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Not in the market for a digital right now. Maybe in about 15 years when I have the MA broken in.

But it will certainly be fun to watch.
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Old 02-24-2015   #59
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Why don't they Kickstarter this? Seems like a good candidate for crowd-funding?

Incidentally, pretty funny all the grumpy posts in the thread - no-one is being forced to buy a camera from these guys, whether they make it to market or not.
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Why don't they Kickstarter this? Seems like a good candidate for crowd-funding?

Incidentally, pretty funny all the grumpy posts in the thread - no-one is being forced to buy a camera from these guys, whether they make it to market or not.
Amen brother. It's not even on the market and people already complain. I think that these guys deep down can't accept that anyone will be challenging Leica at their own game. Will Konost succeed? Hopefully so.

And indeed I would Kickstart the hell out of this! Money and mouth etc.
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I don't see the 'grumpy' replies in this thread ... a bit of cynicism maybe?

Personally I hope it succeeds and starts to cut into Leica sales because being the only player in the field has given them a license to charge pretty much what they want over the last few years. As much as I like my 240 it's not an eight thousand dollar camera ... it should be half that price IMO.
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An interesting idea for sure, now the technical aspect and later the promotion will be important to get the desired and necessary success in the market.
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Great idea! Just think that a few photoenthusiast/engineers from RFF could have given it a better start.. A better thought out design and asthetics to begin with.. understanding of how a camera works would surely give this concept a boost to. I find it strange though that thos has not appeared before now.. A simple camera with a simple design, photography back to basics.. Surely it would appeal to a very large market, but as someone mentioned earlier, the problem is the cost of production.. Would it not be better to work on the "digital film" or "e-film" or what it was called and make a digital film that would work with any analog camera out there? Surely (my favorite word) the technology must be mature by now??
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... perhaps Cosina will notice it and get involved, after all they had the experience of building the first digital rangefinder and the precision engineering in decent volume
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... perhaps Cosina will notice it and get involved, after all they had the experience of building the first digital rangefinder and the precision engineering in decent volume

That's actually a pretty good idea IMO Stewart. They got involved with Epson so why not .... I'm sure they wouldn't mind having another digital RF platform out there for their M mount lenses.
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That's actually a pretty good idea IMO Stewart. They got involved with Epson so why not .... I'm sure they wouldn't mind having another digital RF platform out there for their M mount lenses.
... yes I thought so ... maybe someone on the board has contact with Cosina? ... or commercial links with them that would benefit from a new M digital to insure his business's future sales?
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I'm hoping that it comes to market.
The idea has been discussed here for aeons.

Am I the only one who would miss being able to see outside the frame? (Or was it rather me who missed something?) That framing plus the coincident image is together what makes the RF/VF so cool.
No, I don't miss this aspect because I understood the idea is to mimic the mechanical RF with a digital/sensor based one, still with superimposed RF patch/image into the normal tunnel viewfinder. Frame lines and additional camera informations are always possible.

Depending on the magnification of the viewfinder it will cover more than the lens angle of view.
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Personally I hope it succeeds and starts to cut into Leica sales.
Au contraire, I don't see the Konost cutting into Leica sales at all!

If anything, it will increase Leica (and Zeiss and Voigtlander) lens sales.

After all, more M bodies = more M lenses.

I sincerely hope that Konost can get their rangefinder camera to market for a reasonable (by Leica standards) price.

And FWIW, I have no problems with the looks!
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Somebody tries something new and immediately the armchair industrialists are moaning... I'd certainly be interested, especially after viewing Leica's Lenny K's US$ 24,000 offering in a snake skin case.
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I hope the first camera Konost brings to market is a monochrome camera.
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Au contraire, I don't see the Konost cutting into Leica sales at all!

If anything, it will increase Leica (and Zeiss and Voigtlander) lens sales.

After all, more M bodies = more M lenses.

I sincerely hope that Konost can get their rangefinder camera to market for a reasonable (by Leica standards) price.

And FWIW, I have no problems with the looks!

Well, "Konost" just does not have the ring to it that the name "Leica" does.

CV should buy out this project and market it as the new Zeiss digital camera. I'm interested in a body that works properly with M lenses (therefore not looking at you Sony), and so if this does, then yes my sale will be with this camera not another Leica.
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I hope the first camera Konost brings to market is a monochrome camera.
There you go...I think that is a terrific idea! (Said with tongue firmly in cheek )
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Well, "Konost" just does not have the ring to it that the name "Leica" does.

CV should buy out this project and market it as the new Zeiss digital camera. I'm interested in a body that works properly with M lenses (therefore not looking at you Sony), and so if this does, then yes my sale will be with this camera not another Leica.
OT, but from what ive read the sony A7S would do the trick for you.

back to topic, how can this not be great news for rf fans? oh thats right, it is good news!
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I'm intrigued by their digital rangefinder. They say it is not analogue. That could mean that it just doesn't use mirror and prisms, but does it mean that it still uses an analogue device to measure the lens focusing movement or not? To me if it is sensing lens focusing by touch then it would be called semi-analogue. But if some how they use contrast sensing from the two sensors then it would be completely digital.

This may seem like a small point but if it is the later then that would open the possibility of using any lens on this camera. Probably they are using the first type of RF. The second would possibly be new tech and would really add to the cost.
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Well, "Konost" just does not have the ring to it that the name "Leica" does.

CV should buy out this project and market it as the new Zeiss digital camera. I'm interested in a body that works properly with M lenses (therefore not looking at you Sony), and so if this does, then yes my sale will be with this camera not another Leica.
If you want something less than $1,500 and works with Leica lenses (in IQ terms) as well as the M9, a modified A7 will suffice. The M240 is in my understanding still a bit better because of the microlenses, though.

As for the price, we'll see. I just find it hard to believe that they can undercut Leica at any significant rates, unless they plan on selling many, many of these.
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Looks interesting, I wish them luck.

However the charm to me of the M9 is the lovely sensor (mine is as yet uncorroded)

Would have to see what the images out of it look like.

The form factor isn't much uglier than my M9 with the grip and thumb thingy I had to put on it to make not feel like it was going to fall out of my hand. But personally unless they can underprice the used Leica market, not much advantage to me at least.

If they could bring this thing to market for around $2000 or less, good on them. Much more and I'd buy a used Leica.
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I don’t see any mention of the real problem of short register cameras - the incidence angle, nor how they are going to couple the lenses without breaking patents - This is a far way from on the market, I think it is a classic example of Vaporware - and wishful thinking....
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I don’t see any mention of the real problem of short register cameras - the incidence angle, nor how they are going to couple the lenses without breaking patents - This is a far way from on the market, I think it is a classic example of Vaporware - and wishful thinking....
Lens coupling can just be via a regular RF mechanism, no? I thought the M mount is in public domain and so is RF coupling. Otherwise how does voigtlander and Konica made RFs that take Leica lenses?

As for short register optics, a thin cover glass gets you most of the way there. Some fine-tuning from CMOSIS's side probably won't hurt, either. I am under the impression that they are either developing the sensor from scratch or commissioning a design from CMOSIS, which would put them in the same IQ (and M lens compatibility) league with Leica.
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l like the form factor...very clean smooth lines. I don't mind that it is fully manual - in fact I like that. If the price is less than 1/2 of Leica 240 I think it could work. Leica might challenge with stripped down 240 at a lower price point.
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Other mirror-less cameras have short rear-lens element to sensor distances. These brands do not struggle with sensor cover glass issues and many of them work well with M/LTM lenses. For instance Fujifilm actually offers a M-mount adapter. This is just one example. The The SONY Sony A7/A7R/A7S bodies are another example. If I remember correctly there is even a third-party commercial modification to install a thinner sensor cover glass for at least one of these bodies.

So, what is the cause of the unique challenges Leica faces with the M8 and M9 with regard to short register optics?
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