Thorsten Overgaard's new article on M9M

[jaapv]

Originally Posted by eleskin

It seems the MM is a nice idea, but for 8K most want some flexibility in their systems. I want much better high ISO, thats it. The resolution of the M9 is more than enough. Hell, while I am at it, I have to confess I am tempted by the D800 for the price. Every few years, I go through this mad feeling of being ripped off by Leica and seeing more value in nikon or Canon. The only thing that keeps me in the M system is I have 20 years of collecting M lenses. Now if only someone would also offer a mirrorless body that has a moving sensor for autofocus and great high ISO for under 4K!

Clean 6400 and perfect 10.000 not good enough? Or you want color - that will set you back 7500 Euro for the M10

[willie_901]

What does perfect 10.000 refer to?

[jaapv]

ISO. The MM produces very fine-grained ISO 10.000 results.

[malland]

Originally Posted by jaapv

...Initially I thought the pictures by Jacob Aue Sobol were a very poor choice to showcase the camera. Until I tried to replicate the look he got with M9 files. Completely impossible. And found that over time they were haunting in the starkness he achieved..

As I tend to do high contrast, I've been looking at the Jacob Aue Sobol pictures with the M-Monochrom as well. Then I also processed some of the M-Monocnrom files that Jono Slack has provided and feel that I am able to get the look that I want, which I could not get with an M9 or an M8: high contrast, deep blacks, combined with beautiful mid tones and highlights — all this by shooting for the highlights and lifting the shadows while apply the new black slider strongly in Lightroom 4.1. With this experience, I want to get this camera.

The only doubts are about the cruddy 250,000 dot LCD, on which you cannot really judge exposure but are limited to using the (large) histogram — important because there is no possibility for highlight recovery — AFTER the shot because there is no Live View. In this respect, am also wondering what the M10 will bring at Photokina — how will it differ for B&W?

—Mitch/Chiang Mai
Scratching the Surface

[icebear]

Originally Posted by malland

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The only doubts are about the cruddy 250,000 dot LCD, on which you cannot really judge exposure but are limited to using the (large) histogram — important because there is no possibility for highlight recovery — AFTER the shot because there is no Live View. In this respect, am also wondering what the M10 will bring at Photokina — how will it differ for B&W?

—Mitch/Chiang Mai
Scratching the Surface

If I'm not mistaken in the Steve Huff review there was a description of the review feature to indicate over-/underexposeure marked blue/red and you can even choose the stops. This tool will be much more exact than an on screen evaluation by trying to judge the shot directly.

[Vics]

Originally Posted by Mudman

Is he a native English speaker? Might be willing to give him a pass if he's not.

Surely he's German. Lives in Berlin, writes English like a German would. Griping about typos on an internet forum is "...like giving out speeding tickets at the Indy 500."

[Keith]

Originally Posted by Vics

Griping about typos on an internet forum is "...like giving out speeding tickets at the Indy 500."

Post of the week for me ... that was good!

[ChrisN]

Originally Posted by malland

As I tend to do high contrast, I've been looking at the Jacob Aue Sobol pictures with the M-Monochrom as well. Then I also processed some of the M-Monocnrom files that Jono Slack has provided and feel that I am able to get the look that I want, which I could not get with an M9 or an M8: high contrast, deep blacks, combined with beautiful mid tones and highlights — all this by shooting for the highlights and lifting the shadows while apply the new black slider strongly in Lightroom 4.1. With this experience, I want to get this camera.

The only doubts are about the cruddy 250,000 dot LCD, on which you cannot really judge exposure but are limited to using the (large) histogram — important because there is no possibility for highlight recovery — AFTER the shot because there is no Live View. In this respect, am also wondering what the M10 will bring at Photokina — how will it differ for B&W?

—Mitch/Chiang Mai
Scratching the Surface

Mitch - I'm interested to read your concern about the LCD. Thorsten O also stated somewhere in his articles (perhaps about the M9 rather than the MM) that he also reads the image on the screen and doesn't study the histogram. This surprised me as I would be happy to have a histogram alone with no image - because as you say the histogram is critical for digital exposure, and apparently even more so with the MM.

[ChrisN]

Originally Posted by Vics

Surely he's German. Lives in Berlin, writes English like a German would. Griping about typos on an internet forum is "...like giving out speeding tickets at the Indy 500."

I believe he is Danish. I've heard him speaking (through the english-language Rangefinder Moment podcasts), and he has a strong but pleasant accent.

[jaapv]

Don;t tell a Dane he is German... Trouble...

[leicapixie]

Thorsten is a good photographer. He is not a technician. He says what he "sees'. Like it or look elsewhere.. Erwin Puts gives very detailed information, that leaves me groggy!
I shoot pictures. I will use film but now prefer digital. So far NO Digital can cope with highlights. So getting better, none equal to a fine grained BW film.
Some of my cheap point and shoot compacts come close! The early Kodak Easyshare 3.2mp, The Sony Dimage 6mp.
The Kodak has the M8 magenta!
The Minolta has weird reddish color but BW, that is really like film results.
If I won the lottery, I still would not buy the MM.
Well maybe...

[airfrogusmc]

Its an amazing camera. I love mine. Coupled with the 35 lux FLE its about as good a tool for B&W street digital that you'll find available today.