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New 50mm f1.1

So who will be the first to test this lens out?

https://leicarumors.com/2017/06/25/n...-m-mount.aspx/

The price point is really intriguing.
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So it's a Voigtlander 50/1.1 copy that focuses down to .7m.

That's enough to at least intrigue me.
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More like a copy of the Sonnetar. Huge barrel distortion in those sample pictures.

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$370? That's so cheap it kinda doesn't matter if it sux.
The examples show poor sharpness and terrible bokeh, so they got that part down.
http://www.wxhaowen.com/article_1a0f...40f76da7.shtml

I still want to try it..
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Very interesting.....
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Interesting.
The price point makes it cheaper than the Canon 50/1.2 LTM...
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Interesting.
The price point makes it cheaper than the Canon 50/1.2 LTM...
So at least you'd get a lens that doesn't need an adapter, is haze free, and has no cleaning marks. There is that.
But did you look at the sample pix? They b------low.
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This is welcome news.

The lens is listed for sale now on Amazon and eBay at $369.00 including shipping. I do not see it at Adorama or B&H - they usually have the latest new lenses in stock.

Now, we could certainly use some new Leica M compatible film bodies at a modest prices.
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So at least you'd get a lens that doesn't need an adapter, is haze free, and has no cleaning marks. There is that.
But did you look at the sample pix? They b------low.
So you win some and you lose some

(I only glanced on my phone, but I'd never anything in focus at 1.1 anyway, not for me )
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Interesting lens. It looks far more ergonomically friendly than anything from MS-Optics.

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This lens could be a copy of the MS Optical Sonnetar 50mm F/1.1 MC lens.
A 7 elements in 6 groups optical formula like the Nokton 50/1.1, so not a Sonnetar 50/1.1 copy (5 elements in 4 groups).
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I wonder how it will hold up.

It might be better to think of it as a Lomography-type lens vs say a 0.95 Noctilux.
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Sonnar formula they say... focus shift, I wonder.
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I wonder how it will hold up.

It might be better to think of it as a Lomography-type lens vs say a 0.95 Noctilux.
hmm, nope.

similar Lomography lenses M lenses would cost a lot more.
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The bokeh on the samples look a bit sharper / busier than the Voigtlander 50/1.1 (I didn't think that was possible). The coma / shape of the bokeh on the edges is fairly distracting. Not my cup of tea but hey, it's a good price!
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Looks like fun. Shipping directly from China to the EU is odd because of taxes etc. Any direct distribution in the EU?
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if they made it in LTM then I might be interested in buying one.
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369$ on eBay and free shipping of package which will weight something like 1 kg. Even from China it will still cost them. Plus, seller profit. It is low 300$ lens.
What is manufacturer profit? 30, 50? Production cost 250? Labor?
What kind of glass is this for the price of under $200 and closer to $100? One thing is tiny lens block inside of Minotar 32 2.8. But for 1.1 and its size... Is it secret china glass from Tibetan monks or is it plastic 3D print? Why no examples under bright light?
Copper and aluminium for 400 gm (one pound) lens. M-mount from soft copper for heavy lens?

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"Portable Aluminum Mount: Aluminum-made body and copper bayonet designed with a Sonnar formula, 7artisans 50mm / f1.1 weights as light as 400g, portable for your photography."
What?

Seven partisans...
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I was seriously considering it over the week-end. Don't mind Shenzhen manufacture, and if you like your iPhone that is made next door, you shouldn't either. And a little less than US400 doesn't mean it's badly manufactured, we are just so used to the super high M-mount lens prices that it seems cheap. But you can buy a lot of lens for this price and an SLR.

I like the 0.7m min. focus, and that it appears user focus adjustable (there is a separate manual for that).

I don't like that they copied some collateral straight from the MS website, that it's clearly not a Sonnar, that it has incredible short focus throw, that the rear element appears too small for a 1.1 lens, and that it has a strongly slanted RF cam. So I didn't go for it.

We'll see what actual users say in addition to what's already out there.

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PS: don't need to copy leicarumors, here is the website: http://www.7artisans.com
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I like the 0.7m min. focus, and that it appears user focus adjustable (there is a separate manual for that).
This is what is holding me back from getting it.
That the focus is user adjustable.
I'd like the focus to be accurate out of the box since I only work with film Ms.
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It seems the only selling point is 'it's cheap!'

Ko.Fe did well to point out the copper lens mount. Copper?
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It seems the only selling point is 'it's cheap!'

Ko.Fe did well to point out the copper lens mount. Copper?
Genuine Szechuan copper, the best kind.
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Did I mis-read that, an aluminum mount? That doesn't sound like it would last long.
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Ko.Fe did well to point out the copper lens mount. Copper?
I doubt the mount is copper. Something must have gotten lost in translation there.



I'm more curious about the number of aperture blades... 7 or 12? Or did elements somehow get translated as "blades"?!

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fwiw the Voigtlander F1.1 mount is brass.

With the size of the lens hanging off the front of the body the lens mount does see a fair amount of force. My F1.1 when I had it had the chrome/whatever rub off at the bottom of the mount, revealing the brass.
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I doubt the mount is copper. Something must have gotten lost in translation there.



I'm more curious about the number of aperture blades... 7 or 12? Or did elements somehow get translated as "blades"?!
That is a plating over whatever the lens mount material is. Copper, or did they mean brass?

They do say 7 aperture blades, then 12. But the aperture diagram shows 7.

My biggest beef is their supplied sample images show terrible sharpness and bokeh. I know sharpness is not everything, but when the images they use look like they are out of focus, that to me means the lens sucks. Forget about the 1.1 aperture if you can't make decent shots at that setting.
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I would still buy the Voigtlander 50 f/1.1 again despite how huge it is but I probably wouldn't buy one of these to be honest. Though who knows, maybe when it gets out there we'll see if it's any good.
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Somebody posted at L forum the link to the thread with more real live images and test shots taken with this lens:

http://forum.xitek.com/thread-1637876-1-1-1.html

Translate to English works.

Some shots with M-E and M240. IMO, at f2 it seems to be worst than my J-3 at f2 on M-E, while it is shimmed for FED-2...
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Somebody posted at L forum the link to the thread with more real live images and test shots taken with this lens:

http://forum.xitek.com/thread-1637876-1-1-1.html

Translate to English works.

Some shots with M-E and M240. IMO, at f2 it seems to be worst than my J-3 at f2 on M-E, while it is shimmed for FED-2...
The bokeh at f1.1 is not too bad in that sample shot.

If someone said the shot was taken with a 1950s speed Zunow lens of f1.1 at 5cm going for 5 grand $ or a rare LTM 5cm f1.1 Nikkor lens going for similar prices then most would be goo goo gaga over the image quality of the sample photo.
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The bokeh at f1.1 is not too bad in that sample shot.

If someone said the shot was taken with a 1950s speed Zunow lens of f1.1 at 5cm going for 5 grand $ or a rare LTM 5cm f1.1 Nikkor lens going for similar prices then most would be goo goo gaga over the image quality of the sample photo.
To be honest, I can't find anything wrong with bokeh of this lens. Maybe I'm not concentrated enough this time, but I noticed double jittering in Rokkor-M 40 bokeh right away, yet, many seems to like it.
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To be honest, I can't find anything wrong with bokeh of this lens. Maybe I'm not concentrated enough this time, but I noticed double jittering in Rokkor-M 40 bokeh right away, yet, many seems to like it.
The new Chinese speed lens is a bargoon at that price, if the lens is not held together with pre-chewed bubble gum and falls apart in your hands like some NOS Kiev 60 lenses I owned.
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I like this lens..if I didn't already have a Noct F1...I would buy in a heart beat..esp in dicey situations or for video...$369...dude...they should sell a ton of these..
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This could be a nice character-shot option for people who like live view focusing on Sony, Fuji, etc. Quite a bit cheaper than Fuji's 56, anyway (and yes, I know the Fuji is a technically much better lens!).
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Those Iberit Handevision made in China M lenses are looking super pricey now, eh?
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I wouldn't mind trying one out.
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I wonder how many lenses that company/factory/staff have made?

I would love to try one too. There simply are other priorities at this time.
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If I wanted something that fast I'd stay with the Voigtlander personally because if life has taught me one thing ... it's that you get what you pay for!

A year from now we will know much better whether this is a bargain or just effectively marketed junk.
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I have the CV 50/1.1, which is a bargain lens for what you get.
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I have the CV 50/1.1, which is a bargain lens for what you get.

Exactly Raid ... you only have to mouth the word Noctilux to realise that obvious fact!
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Somebody posted at L forum the link to the thread with more real live images and test shots taken with this lens:

http://forum.xitek.com/thread-1637876-1-1-1.html

Translate to English works.

Some shots with M-E and M240. IMO, at f2 it seems to be worst than my J-3 at f2 on M-E, while it is shimmed for FED-2...
Thanks for the link. Much much better pics there than on the original link.
Now, to me, this lens totally seems worth it.

But, already have a Nokton 1.1 which I love!
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What in the world is that "Seven Blades" diagram supposed to represent? Looks more like lens elements, but there is no sense of the lens shapes or groupings. I think they just had an abstract "technical" looking diagram made up. Not sure their marketing division was properly briefed on this offering. All they had to do is check an old copy of Shutterbug or Pop Photo (or any lens maker's website) to see how those diagrams are usually done.

By the way, "Seven Blades" would be a cool brand name for something -- reminds me of the Seven Samurai.
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