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Minolta XD vs Canon A-1

My mju II is getting a bit long in the tooth and replacement ones are getting stratospheric in cost on the 'bay, so I've decided to grab a middle weight SLR body. I've narrowed it down to the Minolta XD or the canon A-1. Mostly I use them with 28/35/50 primes and a motor grip.

Wondering if anyone has any real world experience with the two and how they operate - any quirks or operational advantages to either?
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Both are great cameras. I no longer own a canon, but there are lots of good Minolta MF
X bodies out there. I have three. XD 11, XE 7 and an SR T 102. The Rokkor glass is superb and at a reasonable cost. They are worth a look for sure.
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I like the XD very much, but the biggest reason I would choose it is for the lovely and cheap Minolta lenses. And don't neglect the much more common X700. It does have a few less features, but has come to be my most used Minolta.

I'm sure the A1 is a nice choice too; either body is going to do more than I would ever care about. You don't say how you intend to use it, so I suppose a difference might be more relevant if you have specific needs. I mostly use manual, but occasionally use aperture priority since my Minoltas are about the only built in meters I almost always agree with.
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I've shot with an XD-11 for many years and I'm a big fan of how it handles. Minolta glass is really good (under-appreciated IMO) and inexpensive compared to Canon or Nikon on the used market.

A good friend of mine used the Canon A-1 exclusively for a time and I shot with his a few times. My recollection is that the ergonomics were odd to me, but it was too long ago for me to remember why. Aside from that, it was a very capable camera.

One thing worth noting about the XD series is that the mirror mechanism is designed in such a way as to create a very small delay in shutter release. It has never bothered me in more than 20 years of shooting that XD-11, but it really bugs some people. It would be worth checking one out in person to see if it bothers you.
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The XD is amazing, super smooth and great viewfinder. Like the Contax 139Q, has a bit of shutter delay.
The A-1 never grew on me, but it's a very capable camera.
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I've shot with an XD-11 for many years and I'm a big fan of how it handles. Minolta glass is really good (under-appreciated IMO) and inexpensive compared to Canon or Nikon on the used market.

A good friend of mine used the Canon A-1 exclusively for a time and I shot with his a few times. My recollection is that the ergonomics were odd to me, but it was too long ago for me to remember why. Aside from that, it was a very capable camera.

One thing worth noting about the XD series is that the mirror mechanism is designed in such a way as to create a very small delay in shutter release. It has never bothered me in more than 20 years of shooting that XD-11, but it really bugs some people. It would be worth checking one out in person to see if it bothers you.
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The XD is amazing, super smooth and great viewfinder. Like the Contax 139Q, has a bit of shutter delay.
The A-1 never grew on me, but it's a very capable camera.
I never had either of the cameras you mention. But I did have a Contax 139Q. I never knew is was known for any kind of mirror or shutter delay because of it. I loved that camera, and used in in a lot of crime work.

Since the issue has been raised it would no doubt be worthwhile to try them in your hands and maybe dry fire them a few times to ensure there is no issue for you.
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Never had a A-1 but i loved my XD-7 until i switched to Olympus.

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Wondering if anyone has any real world experience with the two and how they operate - any quirks or operational advantages to either?
In terms of control functionality and layout, the Minolta XD models are far better than the Canon A-1. The A-1, IMHO, is the oddest and most difficult to work with of any of the 4 mode cameras of that era. Don't get be wrong, the A-1 works and works reasonably well. It's just that the controls aren't the easiest to learn and to work with. I sold both of these, back in the day, and spent time with my customers, both during the sales and over the months and years afterwards, learn how to use their new cameras. The A-1 customers were the only ones that chronically needed substantial and repeat tutoring.

The XDs were great cameras with one exception. The "cushy" body covering feels good but doesn't hold up well. It shrinks leaving gaps around the edges and doesn't stay glued to the body well.
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...Like the Contax 139Q, has a bit of shutter delay...
The Nikon FA is another camera with the same type of delay and for the same reason.

These camera bodies can't set the lens' aperture accurately due to issues with the legacy lens mount and coupling design with which they are required to function. They correct for this by first doing the best they can leaving the mirror down while the aperture stop down is done. They can then do a stop down metering before raising the mirror so that they can trim the shutter speed to correct for any minor error in the f/stop setting.

This means that the mirror doesn't lift until after the aperture is closed down, which takes slightly longer than doing both actions at the same time, as is done in most SLRs with automatic diaphragm stop down funcitons.
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I have only limited experience with the XD-11 but recall it had good ergonomics and a nice shutter release. I do have more experience with the A-1 and am not a fan. I did not like the ergonomics, hated the recurring A series shutter squeal, disliked the red led calculator displays and the shutter release was pretty harsh. In my mind, the A-1 embodies the notion of incorporating technology for its own sake, rather than to improve the photo experience, i.e., the camera as a gadget.
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Love the A-1, no problem with the ergonomics. Great lenses.
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The Minolta 1Id is a nice camera.
I have never used the Canon A1.
I have the Canon AV-1, Ae-1 (Black) and AE-!P (program).
The Canon lenses, 28mm, 50mm f1.8 and 35~105 f4 (real zoom) are wonderful. The 50mm in many ways better than my Collapsible Summicron.
The zoom has severe barrel and pincushion at certain focal lengths.
I have always regarded zoom and vari-focal lengths as "toys".
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Minolta lenses the 35mm, 50 are really good.
The body can have electronic problems like The Leica R4 series.
The Ae-1P is a swift fast reliable camera, except in severe cold..

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Hi,

My votes for the XD or, if you can afford one because they are dirt cheap to buy but dear to mend, the Leica R5 variation.

FWIW, once I'd discovered the 1980's Tokina 28 - 85mm ATX zoom I never bothered with anything else on the Minolta.

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I though the R4 was the Minolta-based body? Anyway, I can't speak to the Canon but I love the XD! Very nice build and handling and maybe the best value vintage lenses out there.
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Thanks for your help all - a few comments mentioned the 'interesting' haptics of the A-1 in regards to its program modes and after watching some youtube videos it seems that the aperture priority mode with its shutter speed dial acting as the aperture control really would not work for me. I wouldn't have picked that up if it weren't for the comments here!

It was a bit hard finding an XD for a reasonable price in good condition, so I ended up with an X570 in ex+ condition from KEH with a 50mm MD f2 and an autowinder for less than the XD body alone would have cost me. I figure the newer x570 in KEH ex+ condition should give me more mileage, and the 50mm f2 seems to be a pretty nice little lens.

Later I'll be picking up some 28mm and 35mm MD or MC variants, and possibly down the track a 100mm or 85mm!
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I have used an XD11 for almost twenty years. It is a great camera and the Minolta glass is good as any Nikon, Canon or Leica at a fraction of the price. The XD11 is an old electronic body that is subject to all the things that happen to old cameras. If you can get one in good working order (look at KEH.com) you will have a fine useable instrument.
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I will add my support for the XD7/11/s. Excellent cameras and lenses. I have a late XDs which is pretty close in build and function to an SLR analogue of the M7 (and about 1/20th of the cost...).

If buying an XD check that there is no substantial lag from pressing the shutter button to the shutter opening. The camera uses a neumatic mechanism (air piston) to coordinate relative timing of the mirror and shutter, and these can get gunked up and need cleaning.

The only downside of the XD is the lack of an exposure lock. If you find this useful, the later X300/500/700 may be more practical cameras, although beware of failing electronics in the X700.
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The X-570 is my favorite of the manual-focus electronic Minoltas. It has metered manual and aperture-priority automation, which are the modes I use, so I don't miss the shutter-priority auto. It doesn't have the programmed auto-exposure of the X-700, which I don't miss, either. (I have two X-570s with autowinders and three SR-Ts.)

What the X-700 and the X-570 have over previous models:

1. AEL (auto-exposure lock, a must for me)
2. Quart-timed shutter speeds
3. TTL flash metering
4. Lubricant-impregnated stainless steel lens mount
5. Multi-coated mirror
6. Programmed auto-exposure on the X-700

What the X-570 has over the X-700:

1. Improved manual metering (shows both the recommended shutter speed and the currently set shutter speed in the finder. The X-700 shows only the recommended shutter speed)
2. Low-sync shutter speed with TTL flash. (If you press down on the AEL button when using TTL flash, it will choose a shutter speed lower than 1/60 sec if that will better match the background illumination to the flash illumination.)

The X-570 doesn't have an exposure compensation dial. I have never missed this, as I have never found it useful. It's quicker for me to meter in manual than to dial in exposure compensation when using exposure automation. I figured that if I ever actually needed it, I could accomplish exactly the same thing with with the ISO dial. I never felt the need to do that either, however.

I really like this camera and I hope you enjoy yours, too!

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I though the R4 was the Minolta-based body? Anyway, I can't speak to the Canon but I love the XD! Very nice build and handling and maybe the best value vintage lenses out there.
Hi,

I picked the R5 rather than the R4 because I think/thought it was a nice development of the R4/XD-7/XD-11/XD. Also I've not used the R4 but have owned and used both the XD-7 and R5's.

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Got a xd5,it does the job with my lovely Rokkors. Had a x500 which I preferred.
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The X-570 is my favorite of the manual-focus electronic Minoltas. It has metered manual and aperture-priority automation, which are the modes I use, so I don't miss the shutter-priority auto. It doesn't have the programmed auto-exposure of the X-700, which I don't miss, either. (I have two X-570s with autowinders and three SR-Ts.)

What the X-700 and the X-570 have over previous models:

1. AEL (auto-exposure lock, a must for me)
2. Quart-timed shutter speeds
3. TTL flash metering
4. Lubricant-impregnated stainless steel lens mount
5. Multi-coated mirror
6. Programmed auto-exposure on the X-700

What the X-570 has over the X-700:

1. Improved manual metering (shows both the recommended shutter speed and the currently set shutter speed in the finder. The X-700 shows only the recommended shutter speed)
2. Low-sync shutter speed with TTL flash. (If you press down on the AEL button when using TTL flash, it will choose a shutter speed lower than 1/60 sec if that will better match the background illumination to the flash illumination.)

The X-570 doesn't have an exposure compensation dial. I have never missed this, as I have never found it useful. It's quicker for me to meter in manual than to dial in exposure compensation when using exposure automation. I figured that if I ever actually needed it, I could accomplish exactly the same thing with with the ISO dial. I never felt the need to do that either, however.

I really like this camera and I hope you enjoy yours, too!

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Awesome information - thanks so much Murray. I'm actually really looking forward to using it - especially with the autowinder which I usually find rounds out the handling so nicely on small SLRs.
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Got a xd5,it does the job with my lovely Rokkors. Had a x500 which I preferred.
Interesting - a lot of people seem to really like the x500/570/700 despite it being a bit plasticky compared to the XD. Any reason in particular?
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Still, any of SLRs will be bigger than little Mju. If size is an argument I would choose another compact with similar features, even if SLR is great tool. There are many decent compacts with nice lenses, maybe not SO small as mju but still much smaller and lighter than SLR, maybe shutter times and flash aren't as advanced on Mju.
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Interesting - a lot of people seem to really like the x500/570/700 despite it being a bit plasticky compared to the XD. Any reason in particular?
I had both the XD-7 and the X-700. For me the XD was more refined and jewel-like camera. Felt good in my hand and had a greatly smooth winding stroke. More quiet in use too (but just). The viewfinder had all the information you need (it was switching depending on the mode a la OM-2 if you know what i mean)

The X-700 had a superior viewfinder, so crisp and bright you have to see it. Some of them were suffering from the 'dead capacitor' syndrome. The 'final check' delay mentioned somewhere above is negligibly short on the X-700 and of course it offers a programme mode and AE-lock (very useful).

Overall, the X-700 is just as functional if not more and costs less on the secondhand market.
I have reviews for both cameras on my blog.

Btw, if you are leaning towards the X-700, have a look on the X-300 too (it's youngest sibling). I have not come across a non-working example of them yet.

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And the X-300 is dirt cheap and an absolute bargain; means more money to spend on the lens and film...

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The XD-series cameras had a vertical-traverse, metal-bladed focal plane shutter with a higher flash sync speed of 1/100 sec.

The X-series (X-700, X-500/570, and X-300/370) had the more common (at the time) horizontal-traverse, cloth focal plane shutter with flash sync at 1/60 sec.

Comparing the simpler X-300/370 with the X-500/570:
1. Same aperture-priority auto and improved manual mode.
2. No TTL flash.
3. No aperture readout in the finder.
4. No button to stop-down the aperture for DoF viewing.
5. Stainless steel lens mount is not lubricant-impregnated (the same as all Minolta SLRs previous to the X-700 and X-500/570).
6. No thumb grip on the right-rear.
7. Minolta says that the X-700 and X-500/570 have multi-coated mirrors, while the X-300/370 has a triple-coated mirror. I'm not sure if there is actually any difference between them, as Minolta claimed an 11% increase in light transmission for both.

Regardless of the above, Gavin, I applaud your purchase of an X-570 and winder.

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I have not used the cameras you mention but must put a vote in for the X700. Received one when I wasn't even looking for one. Came with a motor winder (with hand grip). With the winder on it feels very good in the hand and so easy to shoot.

The VF though is super bright and sharp. Brighter than my OM 1 (or 2) or Leica R8. In fact any other SLR I own. Maybe the multi-coated mirror mentioned by one poster.
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I have not used the cameras you mention but must put a vote in for the X700. Received one when I wasn't even looking for one. Came with a motor winder (with hand grip). With the winder on it feels very good in the hand and so easy to shoot.

The VF though is super bright and sharp. Brighter than my OM 1 (or 2) or Leica R8. In fact any other SLR I own. Maybe the multi-coated mirror mentioned by one poster.
John, I think the combination of multi-coated mirror and the acute-matte focusing screen made the exceptionally bright and contrasty finder possible. Minolta even licensed the acute-matte technology to Hasselblad.

John, I have a question for you about the motor drive for the X-series. I use the AEL (auto-exposure lock) a lot and it always looked to me like it would be difficult to reach it around the grip on the motor drive. In your experience, is the AEL button easily accessed when using the motor drive? Thanks.

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Here are two pics of them sharing the same lens:
How do you like that Sigma mini-wide?
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I have not extensively used the Minolta (only used other people's). I do have a Canon A1 that was overhauled before I bought it. It has the smoothest shutter release and lack of vibration of any SLR I have ever used. My shots with my A1 rival my rangefinder shots for handholdability. FD lenses are very reasonably priced.

The ergonomics and location of controls are very different from most cameras. I find that to be a minor inconvenience compared to being able to routinely get good shots at 1/15 second.

Also, I actually like the red LED readout - you can see it when the edges of the VF are "looking" at dark objects - something that blacks out many match needle or through the lens backlit readouts.
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Right, but the prices for lenses is substantially steeper than for Minolta or Canon FD glass.

That's why I have an AE-1 and A-1.... and a T90
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How do you like that Sigma mini-wide?
Have a look on my blog. I have a post with some of the lenses i use. I prefer it over its wider sibling (24 f/2.8, mentioned there also).

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I've handled the Canon A-1, always loved FD glass and own a few bodies (couple of FTb's and F-1's). I just never warmed up to the A-1, just don't get it.

I have shot with the Minolta XD-11 in the past and I really should pick one up but I have an XE-7 that needs a CLA), priorites I guess. I love how the XD-11 felt in my hand and Minolta lenses are really nice and reasonably priced. You'll find the XD more intuitive.
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Have a look on my blog. I have a post with some of the lenses i use. I prefer it over its wider sibling (24 f/2.8, mentioned there also).

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I really like some of the nikon bodies (f3hp is one of my favorite SLR bodies ever) but I don't get along with nikkor lenses of any age. Modern ones are all plastic and chinese built, most of the old ones I find both harsh and soft in rendering at the same time. Personally I think canon FD glass clobbers nikon ai/s glass.

Love Olympus OM stuff, would love a mint OM1n but at the price of one that's truly mint or rebuilt, I'd rather just get a pentax LX.

The only minolta lens I've used has been a 28mm MD f2.8, on an adapter on a canon 5d - and I loved it. Really lovely little lens. Hoping the rest of the lens range lives up to that!
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Personally I think canon FD glass clobbers nikon ai/s glass.
Nikon did cater to the press more successfully than Canon by tuning aberrations towards edge amplification to create artificially high contrast (a optical equivalent of unsharp masking, which also creates the generally unpopular "donut bokeh") - it made Nikkors look better in newsprint, which was deficient in contrast and dynamic range.

Where large size photographic prints and projections are concerned, Canon FD lenses (which did not use similar tricks) have a edge on Nikon (AI and pre-AI) where f/1.4 and faster are concerned. But I would not generalise that - for one, slower Nikkors are fairly neutral by design as well, for the other, it is a very aperture-dependent effect. By f/5.6 these effects are so small that it takes a subject that brings out the worst (or best) of a lens to spot them. I have both Nikon and Canon lenses, and generally cannot determine whether a given picture was taken with a FL/FD or a Nikkor, unless I happen to remember.
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I really like some of the nikon bodies (f3hp is one of my favorite SLR bodies ever) but I don't get along with nikkor lenses of any age. Modern ones are all plastic and chinese built, most of the old ones I find both harsh and soft in rendering at the same time. Personally I think canon FD glass clobbers nikon ai/s glass.

Love Olympus OM stuff, would love a mint OM1n but at the price of one that's truly mint or rebuilt, I'd rather just get a pentax LX.

The only minolta lens I've used has been a 28mm MD f2.8, on an adapter on a canon 5d - and I loved it. Really lovely little lens. Hoping the rest of the lens range lives up to that!
Why do you need it mint or rebuilt, the last om I bought was an om4 that cost me 35 fully working its not mint but works as good as a mint one. Try finding a mint pentax LX thats going to set you back 350ish. A canon a1 will only cost you around 50, if you are thinking of spending more why not just go for a New F1 which will only cost around 150-200 for a good one.
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Nikon did cater to the press more successfully than Canon by tuning aberrations towards edge amplification to create artificially high contrast (a optical equivalent of unsharp masking, which also creates the generally unpopular "donut bokeh") - it made Nikkors look better in newsprint, which was deficient in contrast and dynamic range.

Where large size photographic prints and projections are concerned, Canon FD lenses (which did not use similar tricks) have a edge on Nikon (AI and pre-AI) where f/1.4 and faster are concerned. But I would not generalise that - for one, slower Nikkors are fairly neutral by design as well, for the other, it is a very aperture-dependent effect. By f/5.6 these effects are so small that it takes a subject that brings out the worst (or best) of a lens to spot them. I have both Nikon and Canon lenses, and generally cannot determine whether a given picture was taken with a FL/FD or a Nikkor, unless I happen to remember.
That's really interesting information - it does make sense at least on a theoretical level. I do mainly have experience with the faster nikkors, not so much the slower more neutral ones.
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John, I think the combination of multi-coated mirror and the acute-matte focusing screen made the exceptionally bright and contrasty finder possible. Minolta even licensed the acute-matte technology to Hasselblad.

John, I have a question for you about the motor drive for the X-series. I use the AEL (auto-exposure lock) a lot and it always looked to me like it would be difficult to reach it around the grip on the motor drive. In your experience, is the AEL button easily accessed when using the motor drive? Thanks.

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Hi Murray,

Just tried the AEL button for the first time. It's quirky to use the middle finger as shown in the manual. The same technique works fine (at least with my fingers) with the drive on but you have to use the camera shutter button not the motor drive button. If you are used to using the middle finger without the drive it should be fine with the drive.

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