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Old 01-06-2016   #1
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X70 with pics

Just saw X70 with Pics over at fujirumors, what do you think?
http://www.fujirumors.com/fujifilm-x...ors-confirmed/
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Pretty cool. I suspect I will still prefer the Ricoh for this sort of task but I do love the x sensor. January 15th can't come quickly enough!
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Sweet. I like Fuji in this space.
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So it is basically a GR competitor.

Disclaimer: I'm a big GR fan (but also a Fuji X fan).

Glad:
Physical exposure control w/o mode dial.
Black one looks good.
Potential of conversion lenses.
Customizable control ring (in addition to physical aperture control??)

Sad:
Wish at least external EVF was available.
Wish it was 35mm equivalent.
Silver one looks ood without leatherette looking body part.
F2.0 would have been great (to distinguish itself from the GR).

That's my thoughts based on the rumored info.
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Just add an external optical viewfinder.
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There's a manual focus option switch on the front.
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the ricoh gr is still the camera to beat, though the tilting screen and shutter/aperture/ev comp controls are nice, i guess.

i think fuji would have done better to make a coat pocketable 1'' sensor camera with a 24-100mm f2-2.8 lens, with a decent size built-in evf in the corner like a rangefinder, with a fully articulated screen, and x100 style controls. basically, a better x30.
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the ricoh gr is still the camera to beat, though the tilting screen and shutter/aperture/ev comp controls are nice, i guess.

i think fuji would have done better to make a coat pocketable 1'' sensor camera with a 24-100mm f2-2.8 lens, with a decent size built-in evf in the corner like a rangefinder, with a fully articulated screen, and x100 style controls. basically, a better x30.
Yes

A better X30 would be most welcome.
iphone 6 and it's contemporaries are good enough to kill the smaller than 1" sensor cameras.
The X30 is was so exciting until it was actually released. An X40 with a 1" sensor would be most welcome.

The Ricoh GR and Nikon Coolpix A are already headed to discount land.
I don't see how this new clone will compete
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A combination of the X100T and the XM1 designs, I think.
An X100T offspring without a viewfinder ? Or an XM1 with a fixed lens installed?
Let's see where Fuji prices it.
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i'll keep my $100 x10 for this type of shooting. cant be beat imo.
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I like it. I'm a big GR fan, but this looks promising.
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Probably 28mm lens could help me to swallow faux retro look of it. Actually I wonder they haven't tried to compete with Ricoh earlier, weren't they sure there's market for fixed lens 28mm camera? Eventually it IS NOT big, even if many have got used to 28mm thanks to years with phones.
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Several things come to mind
- needs to be at least comparible in price to xm w/ 18f2
- how many will go for it just because it is a Fuji and the control layout
- there were some people that never liked the Gr or the coolpix a because it was too small
- W/ what they did w/ the 35f2, u know this is gonna be a fast sharp lens
- just put a ovf on it, your good to go
- like the 35/50 crop mode.. I wonder if they did same as Gr or Leica q.

For me, I'll pass, already have the Gr. If they made a x200 (50 fov), I would consider it. I wish they would do a crop 50 for the x100 as a fw update (I don't like the bigger size of the tcl and don't mind loosing mp).

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Several things come to mind
- needs to be at least comparible in price to xm w/ 18f2
- how many will go for it just because it is a Fuji and the control layout
- there were some people that never liked the Gr or the coolpix a because it was too small
- W/ what they did w/ the 35f2, u know this is gonna be a fast sharp lens
- just put a ovf on it, your good to go
- like the 35/50 crop mode.. I wonder if they did same as Gr or Leica q.

For me, I'll pass, already have the Gr. If they made a x200 (50 fov), I would consider it. I wish they would do a crop 50 for the x100 as a fw update (I don't like the bigger size of the tcl and don't mind loosing mp).

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Gary, I'm with you on most of your thoughts. I'm thinking that the X70 with the 27mm lens might be an interesting way to go. It'd be similar in size to the GR, gives me the Fuji colors, and gives me a good all-rounder focal length (40-ish mm).
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Gary, I'm with you on most of your thoughts. I'm thinking that the X70 with the 27mm lens might be an interesting way to go. It'd be similar in size to the GR, gives me the Fuji colors, and gives me a good all-rounder focal length (40-ish mm).
Wouldn't that just be an xm1 (or 2) with a 27mm that you can't change lenses on?
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Wouldn't that just be an xm1 (or 2) with a 27mm that you can't change lenses on?
The way that the x100 or 70 lens is designed, the lens is designed to be closer to the sensor, so a 40 or 50 fov lens will not protrude as much as the equivalent lens on a xm body. The x100's 35fov is around 30-40% enclosed within the body.

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New pics.. Size comparison
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New pics.. Size comparison

http://www.fujirumors.com/fujifilm-x...ors-confirmed/

X100t vs x70 vs Gr

Not that much bigger than the Gr.

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A lot depends on the lens. GR has a great one, better than x100 in my opinion.
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Camera wars are kind of pointless... I'm just happy they keep making a lot of new interesting cameras.
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I just can't warm to a camera without a viewfinder. Optical preferred, but if an EVF is excellent or better, OK.

Except, of course if it's 4x5 or larger.
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I just can't warm to a camera without a viewfinder. Optical preferred, but if an EVF is excellent or better, OK. Except, of course if it's 4x5 or larger.
Haha!! I used to say as well...The Ricoh GR changed my mind.
Large sensor with wide lens and fast refreshing LCD is a relatively new territory.
It's really a lot like composing on a brighter than daylight ground glass.
I was surprised with the GR ...having always hated Back lcd composition prior to trying it.
Great DOF and wide view changes everything.
I'm not sure a longer Focal length than 28mm equiv. would be as compatible.
This Fuji model adds a traditional shutter dial and aperture ring as an interface....
It's late to market but could still be a real winner.
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Wouldn't that just be an xm1 (or 2) with a 27mm that you can't change lenses on?
Oops! I wasn't paying attention.. I thought the x70 was an interchangeable-lens camera. To quote Rosanna: "Nevermind".
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Haha!! I used to say as well...The Ricoh GR changed my mind.
Large sensor with wide lens and fast refreshing LCD is a relatively new territory.
It's really a lot like composing on a brighter than daylight ground glass.
I was surprised with the GR ...having always hated Back lcd composition prior to trying it.
Great DOF and wide view changes everything.
I'm not sure a longer Focal length than 28mm equiv. would be as compatible.
This Fuji model adds a traditional shutter dial and aperture ring as an interface....
It's late to market but could still be a real winner.
I agree completely. LCD works great for 28mm and wider IMO. I think the Fuji is interesting because of the tilt / touch screen. It really could make it more interesting than the GR for that reason. I wonder who will have the balls to put out a 21mm version of this type of camera (like the Ricoh GR21).
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Haha!! I used to say as well...The Ricoh GR changed my mind.
Large sensor with wide lens and fast refreshing LCD is a relatively new territory.
It's really a lot like composing on a brighter than daylight ground glass.
I was surprised with the GR ...having always hated Back lcd composition prior to trying it.
Great DOF and wide view changes everything.
I'm not sure a longer Focal length than 28mm equiv. would be as compatible.
This Fuji model adds a traditional shutter dial and aperture ring as an interface....
It's late to market but could still be a real winner.
WELL Little Miss Sunshine ... I am persuadable. I will sheepishly admit to even using the LCD on my X-Pro1 to composing and shoot. I do it in tight situations where the subject is well below or above me and I can't really move enough to get the shot otherwise. (Never interpret that to mean "My butt is on the couch and I am just too ****ed lazy to move and the dog is right there beside me and looks so cute so I have to make a picture of her so I will just use the ***n LCD like a tourist.)
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I agree completely. LCD works great for 28mm and wider IMO. I think the Fuji is interesting because of the tilt / touch screen. It really could make it more interesting than the GR for that reason. I wonder who will have the balls to put out a 21mm version of this type of camera (like the Ricoh GR21).
Until then an X body with a 14 and just use the screen. Not as small, but ...
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Until then an X body with a 14 and just use the screen. Not as small, but ...
Right, not as small and antiquated AF... two minuses.
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We don't need no steenking AF on a 21mm equivalent lens!
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True for the most part, but I do photograph in very dim light at times with higher shutter speeds.
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Looks interesting, but still not the 28mm compact that I would buy. It looks like it has a fixed pancake, unlike the GR and Coolpix A that have retracting lenses -- I hate retracting lenses, so that's one plus for the X70. Physical aperture and shutter dials -- check and check. But it lacks the simple addition of a manual focusing ring with distance info. That's one big minus for me. And no EVF. A small minus. Even my crappy Voigtlander Vito Auto has both.

Still hoping Olympus will finally come to their senses and give us Digital Trips, with 40mm and 28mm lenses.
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Still hoping Olympus will finally come to their senses and give us Digital Trips, with 40mm and 28mm lenses.
That could be cool...
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Still hoping Olympus will finally come to their senses and give us Digital Trips, with 40mm and 28mm lenses.
I am not sure I follow on this one, outside of u wanting an Olympus as opposed another brand maker. Isn't there already equivalents out on the market like
- 14 or 20 pancake lenses on
-- Olympus epl or Panasonic gm bodies
Or are u suggesting something like the old film Minolta Dual...
Or 2 different fixed sensor bodies

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I agree completely. LCD works great for 28mm and wider IMO. I think the Fuji is interesting because of the tilt / touch screen. It really could make it more interesting than the GR for that reason. I wonder who will have the balls to put out a 21mm version of this type of camera (like the Ricoh GR21).
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I am not sure I follow on this one, outside of u wanting an Olympus as opposed another brand maker. Isn't there already equivalents out on the market like
- 14 or 20 pancake lenses on
-- Olympus epl or Panasonic gm bodies
Or are u suggesting something like the old film Minolta Dual...
Or 2 different fixed sensor bodies

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I think Olympus doing it is the point—it would be fun to see how they iterate on the Fuji X100, Leica Q, Sony RX1-type concept, especially since they were so good at it in the film era.
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I am not sure I follow on this one, outside of u wanting an Olympus as opposed another brand maker. Isn't there already equivalents out on the market like
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-- Olympus epl or Panasonic gm bodies
I want it to look like a trip too.
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if the filter thread is 49mm then maybe the Ricoh GW-3 will fit on the X70
if it does, I might be interested even though I hate X-Trans II as hopefully it will have better dust sealing than the GR (basing this on the X100)
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True for the most part, but I do photograph in very dim light at times with higher shutter speeds.
In those situations, yes. I think that for most of what Frank and I do, the DOF of super-wides allows zone focusing, especially on a smaller sensor. I was thinking about this today, how my Zuiko 21/2 on the X-Pro1 (yes, I know I'm again taking this thread OT - last time I promise!) makes up a decent street machine using hyperlocal distance shooting with a 35mm equivalent of ~32mm FOV, about half way between 28 and 35, highly useful for street and certain other genres.
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Around €800!!! I hope the rumor is wrong.

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Around €800!!! I hope the rumor is wrong.

http://www.fujirumors.com/fujifilm-x...to-ricoh-grii/

I was going to say "buy an X-M1 & 27mm/2.8, but I think (?) the X-m1 is out out production ...?
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