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View Poll Results: Why did you decide NOT to buy a digital Leica M?
it is too expensive 292 60.21%
there are other (digital) camera options that suit me better 111 22.89%
I am using only film cameras 128 26.39%
other reason ... [explain] 65 13.40%
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Old 12-20-2014   #81
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But, but, but! Leica will stand behind digital M's INDEFINITELY ... by some accounts!

How soon we forget....


"Dear LEICA M8 customers,

The desire to own a digital camera manufactured by Leica,
possessing the identical lifelong value retention associated with
every Leica product, was brought to us by many of our customers.
Leica Camera AG has now configured the LEICA M8 to meet this
demand. With today's newsletter, we would like to inform you
exclusively and in advance of an outstanding innovation regarding
your cherished LEICA M8.
With the introduction of a perpetual upgrade program, every LEICA
M8 will forever be a state-of-the-art digital camera. Today's and
tomorrow's users will always be able to incorporate the latest
refinements and developments in handling ease and technology. It is
our aim to secure your investment in the LEICA M8 for the future.
While other digital cameras quickly become outdated and are
replaced by newer models, our new concept extends the value
retention and resistance to obsolescence embodied in the Leica
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I am pleased that this thread includes many useful comments and opinions on why or why not some people decided not to get a digital Leica M.
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Like most people, price, and digital rot, which Leicas are not exempt from. I do love Leicas and the film bodies have a well deserved reputation. The digital ones however are a different beast. There are simply too many other cameras just as good for a fraction of the price. I bought a Fuji X100S instead. My favorite is still my M2, with the X100S a close second. I would not spend $7K on any digital camera when not making a living with it, and even then... Leicas are a bit of a cult, nothing wrong with that, but I try to cling to some remnant of objectivity when spending that much money...

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I tried Fuji and didn't care for it at all. And I think of all the photos I have taken in the past two years so in just that regard it was worth it to me. My commercial work does pay for it all but either way it was worth it for me.
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I didn't make a concious decision NOT to buy a digital M body, since I have no interest in such a camera. It was more of a "non decision", since I am more than happy with my M6 and film capture in general.
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Concerning Fuji and Sony being 'rangefinder like' in size or handling, well I don't know, perhaps......but; My 1965 Olympus Pen F, with no mirror box or prism hump has more the profile of a contemporaneous RF camera but of course is a reflex and behaves as one with TTL viewing. The lenses are small like then current RF lenses lending to the impression.

The only digital camera I know of with optical-mechanical focusing, viewing and composition with interchangeable lenses is Leica. All the rest are live view and AF, quite different.

Now let it be noted however, that with the optional electronic VF the M240 can be configured for viewing more like the Fuji or Sony mirrorless cameras. So, I guess there are some crossover features.
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• I used to be very much interested in Leica products. When they shot film. I've had M7s, an R8, R7, CM.... And, a lot of Leica glass, from the vintage through the ASPHs. But, i bought them all because of how the glass worked with film. The "leica glow" was never defined satisfactorily for me, but i do acknowledge that i fell for the vintage tonality, bokeh, and sharpness that Leica lenses bring to the equation. But, with digital, all of that is gone. There just isn't anything in digital imagery that separates Leica files from others, and other cameras make the process of photography significantly more efficient.

• Price. Yeah. Leica prices are stupid. There was a time when i was just buying Leica stuff without even thinking about it. Those days are in the past. But, having gone through all that, i've learned it was all a bit of folly, and even if the current prices didn't seem so ridiculous to me, i wouldn't invest in the leica product line.

• Support. They sorta promised R support. Didn't materialize. They stopped repairing the CM only a few years after i bought it new. When i had to have my M7s fixed, for silly issues, it took forever. When i bought a NEW 50/1.4 ASPH Summilux, out of the box it was a lemon. A dud. It took two trips to Leica repairs for them to acknowledge the problem and do something about it. And, that still took 6 or 7 months. A new lens!

• Image. Leica used to be the company that was the foundation for some of the greatest photographers of the previous century. Now, it's the company that seems to pride itself on serving sheiks. I don't, at all, begrudge luxury companies. I covet Ferraris and Aston Martins, and own Mercedes and Panerai. But, the prospect of buying a Leica these days, with their promotional images featuring white gloves, sorta feels icky. I just don't want to be a part of that club.

• Tech. Leica always seems two steps behind in sensor development and whatever it is that makes a digital camera do what it does. Paying far beyond 'top dollar' for old tech feels stupid. Then, there's the matter of their 'upgrades' model. They'll put an old, obsolete LCD screen on a new camera, just so that they can create an 'updated' model a few months later. Why do you guys accept that?

• The whole reason, for me, to use a Leica/rangefinder was the lenses. But, the images i love most from Leicas are those made by pre-ASPH glass. Improved lenses just haven't resulted in better photography. They certainly will test better, but that's not what photography is. If i look at my huge collection of photography books, not one of the images was shot with an ASPH lens, and certainly none of them were shot with a digital M. A secondary reason for using rangefinders was the matter of mirror impact, and being able to shoot in lower light. Well, now, with digital, clean high ISO imaging is just a given, so the mirrorless factor is negated.
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I am pleased that this thread includes many useful comments and opinions on why or why not some people decided not to get a digital Leica M.
I just had to go back and read what your original post, the poll options and the headline was...

Both the poll and the question was why did those who decided not to buy one choose not to, not why they did, right?

People who did buy one could have just passed on the thread then, right?....but they simply can not resist, so we get to hear about how "Once I was lost....but then I saw the light and praise...I was found!"

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But, I didn't decide not to buy one. I just can't. Not that I don't want to.

So I didn't vote. I might yet decide to sell a kidney, or rob a bank.

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I typed the word "not" in capital.
Still, there is no censoring, so anyone can chime in.


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I just had to go back and read what your original post, the poll options and the headline was...

Both the poll and the question was why did those who decided not to buy one choose not to, not why they did, right?

People who did buy one could have just passed on the thread then, right?....but they simply can not resist, so we get to hear about how "Once I was lost....but then I saw the light and praise...I was found!"

Shocker, lol!
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But, I didn't decide not to buy one. I just can't. Not that I don't want to.

So I didn't vote. I might yet decide to sell a kidney, or rob a bank.

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Old 12-20-2014   #91
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This is a *very* interesting thread. In my case, I did buy a digital M, the M8, about 7 months after the release, after the "gotchas" were known. I bought it because I'd been shooting Leica since about 1970. I had the essential lenses and wanted to shoot them digitally. At that time, Leica said that a full-frame digital M was impossible. Silly me, I believed them. I have not upgraded since, because the M9 didn't seem enough of an upgrade to warrant the loss of selling the M8 and buying again. So I'm still using it.

I don't regret my decision to buy an M8. With hindsight, I might have been better off waiting for the M9, where I could use my 50mm lenses as "fifties." Or at least I thought so until the M9 family's sensor delamination issue came to the forefront recently. Now my M8 is looking pretty good. I've gotten many great pictures with it, and I know it well enough to work around its shortcomings most of the time.

One aspect of Leica has not changed since the M3: A Leica M-anything focused by a well-practiced human is probably the best camera to capture fleeting human expressions in ordinary room light or dimmer conditions. There is no EVF lag, no autofocus delay, no evaluative exposure delay, and no mirror blackout. You look directly at what you're photographing, and you see the shot as you take it. Leica lenses render beautifully--both the classic lenses and the modern ASPHs, each in their own way.

The problem with buying a digital Leica is that what we *think* we're getting is not necessarily what we're actually getting. Digital has fundamentally changed some things. What we thought was true isn't necessarily so any longer.

The legacy of film Leicas and their role in the golden age of photojournalism can cloud our judgement. The film M was the ultimate available light camera. The M8 and M9 are not. They are still (technically) better than film, but a noisy shutter and noisy sensor mean that other digital cameras play better in that arena. Which is frustrating, because the other cameras are still less good at capturing "decisive moments."

The M8 and M9 produce stunningly good photos in good light. But we now had to deal with focus shift, which nobody but Noctilux owners had ever had to think about before. The mechanical Ms just worked and worked, could be easily fixed and adjusted by repair people who truly knew what they were doing, and would last a lifetime. The digital Ms, not so much. Considering how much they cost, that "not so much" is a deal-breaker for many. If I didn't have a lifetime of Leica shooting and a bunch of lenses, I wouldn't dream of getting into the system today.

The M240 has finally solved the noisy shutter issue, and both it and the MM have solved the high-ISO issue for most reasonable people. Those cameras interest me, but new prices are stupid-crazy. I had to really stretch to reconcile spending $5,000 on an M8. Today, with "digital rot," it's worth less than half that, and they come out with $7,000 and $8,000 models. My head says, "No [adjective] way." My heart says, "Well, maybe, if prices go down, maybe if I can find a decent deal..." And then the delamination issue surfaces. And I'm reminded that every digital M has had some major issues for which there's little excuse at the price point. I've been lucky so far. If you're one of the unlucky ones, Leica has smaller resources than Japan, Inc. That often means long repair periods when you're without your camera.

The Fuji cameras are not rangefinders. They are modern, "fly-by-computer" autofocus mirrorless digital cameras with some aspects of the RF form factor. They are wonderful general-purpose cameras, their high ISO capabilities leave the M8 and M9 in the dust. But most RF shooters I know who've tried them are not satisfied if they need to shoot the fast and fleeting. Too slow to focus. My "other" camera is on Olympus E-M5. I love it. It's versatile, small and light, great prime lenses, does decent high ISO (way better than the M8, quite usable up to 3200). But I have lost more shots of fleeting expressions than I care to remember, because of EVF lag, shutter lag, or autofocus confusion. Yes, I could pick up one of the Canikons, but I don't like big DSLRs, and "mirror blink" and slap add issues of their own.

Re. B&W film, I feel like it's the Garden of Eden. Nothing else looks like it. It has a beauty all its own. I still shoot my M6 some of the time. But digital was like eating the apple. I can visit, but I can't go back completely.

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I just had to go back and read what your original post, the poll options and the headline was...

Both the poll and the question was why did those who decided not to buy one choose not to, not why they did, right?

People who did buy one could have just passed on the thread then, right?....but they simply can not resist, so we get to hear about how "Once I was lost....but then I saw the light and praise...I was found!"

Shocker, lol!
Well spoken. Since I do own them I have deleted my post.
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I have enough cameras to last longer than myself. Most are older than or as old as myself. Most are in better shape than I. Why add another piece of hardware that lacks the ruggedness of even my average consumer grade body? I have made a resent purchase , a Minolta 303-b, it makes pictures as good as I need. No buyers regret at less than fifty bucks USD, I ask myself will spending thousands on a bit of plastic and wire improve my photographic experience? I think not, for others maybe. Some Pro's may need a specialize tool. Good for you but if only purched as an ego-stroker, good for you if that's what does it for you. Enjoy, it's just not for me.
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Because its digital and doesnt hold its value... simple
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Too expensive and unreliable, and I have lenses form my film days that I could use, so all I would need would be a body or two.

Everyone I know that has one has had trouble with it.

Some of the staffers at the NYT have them, but then they can just turn it in if it breaks.
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There just isn't anything in digital imagery that separates Leica files from others, and other cameras make the process of photography significantly more efficient.
I guess this is where personal experience, preference, and style of photography are so important. I have not found a camera that is as efficient for me as my M8. I will gladly buy one that is both cheaper and more efficient. Chances are it would be a Sony, as they seem to come out with a new model every fortnight.

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Then, there's the matter of their 'upgrades' model. They'll put an old, obsolete LCD screen on a new camera, just so that they can create an 'updated' model a few months later. Why do you guys accept that?
Leica behaves pretty nicely here, I think. What is the Leica example you are thinking of? X1 and X2? (No idea what their screen specs are.)

I do use one brand that is rather notorious in this game, Sony. It is easy to make fun of them, but as a camera owner I really don't have a problem with them churning out a model after a model with generally fairly small improvements (and sometimes some cost-cutting steps back, too), as I buy what seems most suitable at the time of buying. If it works, it works, and continues to work after the next release. And the next. Worried about resale value? Buy the older model instead.
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Because its digital and doesnt hold its value... simple

I don't think I've ever bought a camera or anything else for that matter based on that train of thought.

I have a vehicle downstairs that cost me 30k about eight years ago ... currently worth around 5 or 6k with one hundred thousand on the clock. It even got peppered in a hailstorm a week or so ago and now looks more like a golf ball!
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Personally for me, it is because if the lack of dependability of the digital M's.
For example, short battery life, *corrosion** of the sensor??, does not work well with some lenses, lack of good flash systems.

A Nikon D3 is much more versatile and dependable, the only draw back being its size & weight.
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I have yet to read a complaint about battery life on the M240, nor corrosion.
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When first read the pull I thought it was specific to the M (240) so I was going to give my reason, which I guess is what I'm doing now. I just don't think I'd get my money's worth out of an M (240) based on the limited amount of frames I shoot each month, especially considering I'm try to find opportunities to use both my M8 and shoot 4x5 film so about 1/2 the time the M8 gets left at home. With a M (240) I just think I'd feel pressured to use it all the time, given the cost and all. Yes realize that statement is completely illogical, but can't help thinking/feeling that at this time getting a M (240) would meaning having to give up shooting 4x5 film, yes complete illogical. I've spent more then a few minutes thinking about what I'll do if my M8 stops working before prices for a used M (240) have reached a level I'm comfortable with, buy a film M and scanner, not really looking forward to scanning and removing dust from 35mm film, buy a Sony A7 prices sure are great but to me its like the broccoli of cameras, yes I know its a great camera but just have no desire to own/use one.
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while the m9 and above certainly out-IQ the rd1, i think the m8 output is not so clearly and discernibly better. put side by side RAW photos and i pretty much dont think 90% of us could tell the difference--except at 1600 where the rd1 produces a darn good image. add in the 1:1 vf, no focus shift, no color cast, no lens issues, no filter requirements, that its still serviced, and the ledger looks somewhat unbalanced, nes`pas`? and even on IQ, unless we're really doing large prints, as i review my rd1/leica lens results i constantly think to myself 'what more do i need from a camera'? when i want that modern hairsplitting resolution, i'm really not looking to an m9, am i? i'm more looking to my 24mp rx1 or thereabouts.
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I make very poor photos and that won't get any better with an expensive Leica.
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I have yet to read a complaint about battery life on the M240, nor corrosion.

Just complaints about loose lugs and poor white balance.

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I took one of my Epson's out this afternoon and put the Voigtlander Nokton 1.2/35 lens on it. The results are great. The three Epson's I bought over the years still cost less than one Leica M 240. For the time being, I don't need a digital Leica. I do own an M6 and an M7 but that's a different story.
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I don't think I've ever bought a camera or anything else for that matter based on that train of thought.
Resale value is a factor that many people deem important in an auto although not everyone, of course.

Since I know I'll always be trading gear, it's important to me.

I don't mind sinking a fair amount of cash into some exotic gear if I know I'll get nearly all of it back when I move to something else.

So for me with Leica digital t's not the price, it's the cost of ownership.
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I had an M8.2 and while some aspects of it were nice, there were too many issues, it was too expensive, it lost its value too quickly, and it was a royal pain to get serviced when something was amiss.

The only real advantages IMHO of a digital Leica M is that it was more convenient than processing film, and it did better color than I've been getting with film.

But all the reasons listed in the first paragraph out weigh the convenience; and for personal work, I usually do Black & White.
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I have yet to read a complaint about battery life on the M240, nor corrosion.
I admire your support of the brand and also your seemingly good luck with it!
Consistantly you have supported and excused their failings and I admire that considering how much cash you've paid them.
I'm amazed by others resolute support when the facts are laid out. I'm the same with a certain German sportscar manufacturer,
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yeah, thats true about difficulty of service. ya' know how easy it is to fix rf alignment in an rd1? get yourself a screwdriver, leave yourself about 1/2 hour and find out! ): compare and contrast to other well known brands and get back to me.

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I am sincere - the technical output of even average digital cameras far exceeds the talent level of the average picture maker, IMO. (I include myself in that lot ). I simply came to that realization - most pictures made aren't worth $10,000 worth of gear.
Same was true in film days. All I can do is keep trying.....

As far as the question posed here, I would love to have given a Leica a go during my pro days but the cost and limited usability for shooting for a small newspaper just would not have worked. I shot Olympus for 20+ years before needing autofocus to increase usable image output and shifted to Nikon. Did quite well with a pair of Nikon D2H bodies for a decade before layoffs started in 2008 at the paper.
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I currently use four digital compact cameras; none of which have all the features I desire. Some have some of the features but all lack certain features I need (such as rangefinder manual focusing).

The digital Leica M cameras also lack some of the features I need (such as dependability). Plus, the digital Leica M cameras cost a heck of a lot more than the four digital compacts I am using.

Therefore, I voted for "there are other (digital) camera options that suit me better."

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I have bought and sold several (M8.2 x 2, M9 x 2, M9P, MM). Each time, I was buying one for convenience because I was "too busy to deal with film" or didn't want to deal with traveling with films.

Most recently I sold the Monochrom because I realized I was really shooting it like how I shoot film M. I didn't shoot any more than one or two rolls worth of frames at a time at most, and most often I didn't need the photos right away after the shoot. Then I realized I could easily do the same with a film M while making the package a little smaller, cheaper to maintain, and so on so the MM became a part of my motorcycle projects...

I'll see how I'd do travels, but I don't take large (relatively speaking) for business trips, and I use underwater setups for diving trips. I'm planning to fly without a film and then buy some in Shinjuku for my next Japan trip and see if that works.

I decided not to buy the M240 or its variants because I just personally didn't click with all things they've added.

Will I buy another digital M in the future, very likely yes. For now I'm happy with what I have, and I'd like to spend more time (and funds) in the darkroom, traveling and wrenching motorcycles...
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Lots of interesting thoughts here, many are economic. If you agree shooting film costs $0.50 per shot 10k shots is an approximate break even cost of using a $5k M. Also while there is a fear of rapid depreciation, digital and film M's retain value better than just about anything out there, look at the incredible values out there on former pro Nikon/Canon gear. My experience with Leica started when I inherited my grandfather's 1959 era M3 and couldn't put it down leading to a M240.
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I'm perfectly happy shooting film, and if I bought a digi Leica, I'd probably not make better pictures. Also, I find that digital electronics bore me.
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My first M was a military M2 R I bought through a PX in Japan in 1966 (with my father's government connections).

Two years later I traded that for an M4 which I still have along with all my other Leicas; and now I have a Monochrom.

I didn't own my first SLR until 2008: an Olympus OM-1,
although I've borrowed and shot many SLRs.

From reading this blog I feel that experience is trumped by hearsay. All of my Leicas have been reliable and repairable.

Don't get me wrong, I now own Canon digital SLRs but they are for copy work, zoom, macro, flash and access to cheap glass.
In a word, one size fits all, but light and sporty they ain't.
That means, when it come to 90% of my shooting they sit in a bag on a shelf. I consider myself a quick draw master and damn proud of it. I can can compose and shoot on the fly because I shoot Ms. Leica Ms go where SLRs can't.

Full frame digital SLRs are just to damn big for what I do most of the time. And, because they don't hold their value, they are essentially throw a-ways, like out of date computers.

I am rangefinder shooter who likes to use the classic Leitz glass from the past, just for the look. I can see the romance in the pictures.

Leica Ms and glass are expensive even second hand, but they do what only Ms can do in the hands of an experienced shooter.
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My first M was a military M2 R I bought through a PX in Japan in 1966 (with my father's government connections).

Two years later I traded that for an M4 which I still have along with all my other Leicas; and now I have a Monochrom.

I didn't own my first SLR until 2008: an Olympus OM-1,
although I've borrowed and shot many SLRs.

From reading this blog I feel that experience is trumped by hearsay. All of my Leicas have been reliable and repairable.

Don't get me wrong, I now own Canon digital SLRs but they are for copy work, zoom, macro, flash and access to cheap glass.
In a word, one size fits all, but light and sporty they ain't.
That means, when it come to 90% of my shooting they sit in a bag on a shelf. I consider myself a quick draw master and damn proud of it. I can can compose and shoot on the fly because I shoot Ms. Leica Ms go where SLRs can't.

Full frame digital SLRs are just to damn big for what I do most of the time. And, because they don't hold their value, they are essentially throw a-ways, like out of date computers.

I am rangefinder shooter who likes to use the classic Leitz glass from the past, just for the look. I can see the romance in the pictures.

Leica Ms and glass are expensive even second hand, but they do what only Ms can do in the hands of an experienced shooter.
And my weather sealed Nikons can go where M's can't! Pouring rain, sandy beaches or deserts without fear of them packing up. shooting Holi in India with camera covered in paint powder and with a weather sealed 24-70 having someone point and spray water from a hose directly onto the front of the lens while I was shooting. No problem. I'd like to see a digital M pull that one off! I don't want to offend or argue but your point here is hardly why you did NOT buy a digital Leica. Resale? M8 prices are on the floor and I wager that once support for sensors in M9's is withdrawn residual value will also be silly money compaired to purchase price.
If it's the 'look' with vintage leitz glass then it's not only an M body that can produce the goods. I and many others manage to compose and shoot SLR's just as fast as we do M's IF indeed that is the goal. Personally I've never felt the need for speed when taking a photograph and so far have managed to get what pleases me during 40 years of photography.
I'm happy that you've had reliable Leicas but in reality the monochrom is still an infant when it comes to a track record for reliability and factory backup.
My Nikons are definately not throw aways and in 6 years of service my D700 and D3 have never had IR issues, cracked or corroded sensors, memory card problems, freeze ups, coffee stained rear view panels, dust on sensors, oil on sensors, need I continue? oh and they've never needed cla's or lens calibrations for focus errors either.
I really like using my M2 and M4 but seriously this Leica 'myth' is exactly that! In reality there is no one camera system to use in any given situation, there is a choice,
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The M 240 is weathersealed and the prices of the M8 cameras I see in the shops are considerably higher than those of other digital cameras of the same vintage....
I am struggling to follow your argument, unless of course it is meant as a straightforward bash. I that case it is crystal clear
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And my weather sealed Nikons can go where M's can't! Pouring rain, sandy beaches or deserts without fear of them packing up. shooting Holi in India with camera covered in paint powder and with a weather sealed 24-70 having someone point and spray water from a hose directly onto the front of the lens while I was shooting. No problem. I'd like to see a digital M pull that one off! I don't want to offend or argue but your point here is hardly why you did NOT buy a digital Leica. Resale? M8 prices are on the floor and I wager that once support for sensors in M9's is withdrawn residual value will also be silly money compaired to purchase price.
If it's the 'look' with vintage leitz glass then it's not only an M body that can produce the goods. I and many others manage to compose and shoot SLR's just as fast as we do M's IF indeed that is the goal. Personally I've never felt the need for speed when taking a photograph and so far have managed to get what pleases me during 40 years of photography.
I'm happy that you've had reliable Leicas but in reality the monochrom is still an infant when it comes to a track record for reliability and factory backup.
My Nikons are definately not throw aways and in 6 years of service my D700 and D3 have never had IR issues, cracked or corroded sensors, memory card problems, freeze ups, coffee stained rear view panels, dust on sensors, oil on sensors, need I continue? oh and they've never needed cla's or lens calibrations for focus errors either.
I really like using my M2 and M4 but seriously this Leica 'myth' is exactly that! In reality there is no one camera system to use in any given situation, there is a choice,
regards john
John:
Your Nikons have held their value? They shoot underwater?
They always are in focus? Perfection guaranteed? Oh please!!!??
You can put your zoomy Nikon in your pocket in India?
You've experienced all those Leica failures?
Yes there is a choice. For 90% of my shooting I've chosen my Leicas. You like Nikon. Fine. My experience is not yours, and my work speaks for me. I'm happy with my choice.
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John. You certainly are upset at Leica. You were obviously not happy with what happened to you, and you have every right.

But...it was my money that purchased my digital Leica cameras, not yours. So far I have not experienced any of the terrible things that you and others have described. Maybe I've been lucky, maybe these problems have been blown way out of proportion by the internet.

I am certain they have happened to a few people, otherwise the experiences would not have been discussed on this site and others. But frequently problems that happen to a few sound like they have happened to a lot when a few people post a lot.

I am sorry that you had these problems, and I do hope that you enjoy your Nikons. But I should warn you, I have read similar tales of woe on Nikon forums as well.

Regardless, I appreciate you providing a heads up, but I think I'll make my own decisions on whether or not I have made a good choice. At this point I believe I have.
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[quote=, buy a film M and scanner, not really looking forward to scanning and removing dust from 35mm film,

The 240 has no dust/spots removal system as in Canon,Nikon,Pentax,etc.
So it's learn to spot digital as film/scanner route.
The cost of a 240, the[B] intended short life of any digital camera,[/b]
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