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Old 06-26-2015   #81
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Brett-- I think your example is appropriate...in the automotive restoration game we call that trying to unravel what all of the P.O.s have done! I have been working on a 1964 Volkswagen Type 3 since 2009 and it is definitely a mish-mash of different years of VW parts and is cobbled together into something resembling a car. It has taken many hours of research over the years to figure out what I have and how to fix it

This particular Mamiya seems to have some similar issues: repairs over the years to keep it going that were not "correct" and now it has come to the point where it is pretty damn hard to get it "back to specs". Cosmetically and optically it is just so darn pretty I will have it in my hands this weekend and do some hard thinking...if this wasn't only the second example I've ever seen I could feel OK about transferring the good bits to another (functional) body. I guess it wouldn't be terrible to give it a nice spot on the display shelf; after all I do have the only other example working just fine There has to be more of these in existence...

I have done some research and the Seikosha MXL is a pretty popular late 1950's shutter found in several cameras. I may get brave after finding some research of repair advice and dive into a parts camera. I may also spend more time on the shutter button linkage instead of the actual shutter. BTW, sent Chris S an email a couple of months ago, I don't think he was interested (I'll have to go back and check).

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Old 06-26-2015   #82
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You and farlymac may be able to cross reference each others' findings because he has or had a camera project with the shutter a while ago. See here:
https://www.rangefinderforum.com/for...d.php?t=134950

If you'd like to post a list of cameras using the shutter i'll do a bit of looking for you, too. A repair manual might be too much to hope for, but perhaps someone has done a service blog about something that used it at some stage or at least posted some photos during a strip down? There are a few clues here.
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Very funny - never heard of this camera before, and now this thread popped up on RFF in the same time TWO of the f/2.8 version are for sale on an auction site...
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Very funny - never heard of this camera before, and now this thread popped up on RFF in the same time TWO of the f/2.8 version are for sale on an auction site...
I only see the one camera: 752415 "Big Window" with two backs and hood.

Can you point us in the direction of the second one? Thanks!
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You and farlymac may be able to cross reference each others' findings because he has or had a camera project with the shutter a while ago. See here:
https://www.rangefinderforum.com/for...d.php?t=134950

If you'd like to post a list of cameras using the shutter i'll do a bit of looking for you, too. A repair manual might be too much to hope for, but perhaps someone has done a service blog about something that used it at some stage or at least posted some photos during a strip down? There are a few clues here.
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Here's a quickly thrown together list:

Other Cameras with the Seikosha MXL shutter:
Topcon 35-L
Aires IIIC, Aires IIIL
Ricoh 35 deluxe, Ricoh 500, Ricoh Five-One-Nine
Olympus 35 S- II, Olympus Wide-S
Konica IIIL, Konica IIIA
Mamiya 35 Metra 2
Lord 5D

BTW - Chris Sherlock DID offer to have a look at the Mamiya. Maybe I should send it to him?

Also , going over my notes I'm thinking the repair shop in Portland, Oregon may have left a part out when they re-assembled it Several times I noted that the camera seemed to be firing at ONE speed after they "looked" at it. Before that, I'm sure all but 1/500 were working.
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Here's TWO more for sale on a European auction page:
http://auction.catawiki.com/kavels/2...ya-35-magazine

Both are "Big Window" models -- I can see by looking carefully that the "nomenclature" diagram in the pictured manual has the bigger eyepiece - this is different from the manual I have (also the cover in the auction is yellow, while mine is blue). Interesting... can't see the serial numbers for either camera, won't be able to add them to the list
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Thats the site i ment, cassel, not ebay
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The family is back together



The f2.8 model is working fine -- just need to adjust the rangefinder.

The f2.0 model (problem child) has a host of issues that seem to defy repair: if you've been reading the thread you know what I'm writing about.

As a brief refresher and as a dated document:
The f2.0 fires correctly at "B" and every other shutter speed setting fires at 1/250 (except 1/500-- which is too hard to select- not gonna try it). Doug backed off from his claim of missing parts-- just excessive wear (same as others who have looked at it). He gave me a refund.

The shutter release is a little better (I think). The other functions are OK...however, now that I have the camera back in my possession I've noticed a few things-- there are a couple of screws that look like replacements and other evidence mostly scratches that indicate that this poor camera has been apart before -- likely multiple times.

The main problem going forward is that one of the parts that hold the shutter crate (behind the front element) was damaged and Doug had to improvise a repair with a new screw and epoxy--- not really easy to service. Now it is harder service and only fires at one speed-- pretty unusable except as a shutter priority/sunny-day/fast film sort of camera. I'm not sure I would choose that as a shooter...too limiting and it would irritate/remind me every time I tried to use it. No thanks.
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Working on taking apart my Aires IIIC to practice working on a Seikosha MXL shutter. This camera works but need a cleaning-- shutter is dirty and sluggish until you fire a few shots.

Here's how far I've progressed so far; how can I proceed here? Need to remove those three odd screws and remove the front element to access the shutter:
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Working on taking apart my Aires IIIC to practice working on a Seikosha MXL shutter. This camera works but need a cleaning-- shutter is dirty and sluggish until you fire a few shots.

Here's how far I've progressed so far; how can I proceed here? Need to remove those three odd screws and remove the front element to access the shutter:
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To get the slotted screws with the centre holes in them off, the best approach would be to procure a screwdriver with the correct sized slots and then slot the tip to enable it to be inserted over the centre to reach the slots. If needed you can hand file such a tool although a small grinder such as a dremel makes things much quicker and easier. Since it is something you're unlikely to use heavily, a cheaper tool is usually fine to modify. To get the lens out you may have some success with some rubber mat depending on how tightly it is threaded. The advantage of rubber is also that it will not mark the parts being turned. I would probably place a smal piece of tape over the cleaned glass, first, to prevent any scuffing to the coating before trying rubber. If you're unable to unscrew it this way you will need to get yourself a lens spanner which should make short work of removing the lens. It won't be fastened tightly (this is a relative term of course but compared to automotive fasteners for instance), so the matter is simply one of obtaining the purchase you need to unscrew it.

Before removing the front of the shutter I would try gently swabbing the shutter blades with some lens tissue or cotton tips dampened (not wet) with lighter fluid. From your description (shutter is dirty and sluggish until you fire a few shots) it sounds to me very much as though sticking shutter blades are a part of the issue this particular one has. By swabbing the blades with lighter fluid as described above, alternating with clean tissue to remove contaminants, between firing the shutter, eventually you'll get the blades fairly clean, and it's quite possible it will run well after this. You'll want to open it up anyway I suppose because of course this is also part of the process of trying to get the Mamiya going, but if you can make the Aires work as you go, so much the better, and it's good for your confidence anyway, so try that first perhaps?
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Looks good so far. The one I had a few years ago had frozen shutter blades in it too. But I couldn't clean them up enough to get the shutter running until I disassembled the whole thing to get the shutter blades out to clean them. If you needed to do that you'll have to remove the whole lens mount from the camera. Unfortunately I wasn't very experienced so managed to ruin the part of the shutter that controlled the Bulb setting....

While not showing how the shutter was disassembled, this page does show what's under the top cover:
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~RD2H-ARI/BUN_AIRES3C.htm
The same shutter in the IIIL model?
http://feuerbacher.net/photo/repair/...res35IIIL.html
http://pheugo.com/cameras/index.php?page=airesiiil
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Thanks guys-- making progress. The three screws have been removed; I had some precision tip old drafting equipment that worked fine. The lens element is not budging with fingers only. So far, I have been very careful and have not damaged anything.

EDIT:
Dang! That element group won't move a bit-- very tight....
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Looks like you will need to invest in a lens spanner, then. You have tried using some rubber to increase your grip? Fingers alone will occasionally get one loose but usually form of assistance will be required.
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Yep-- tried a couple of different rubber grips without luck (this is standard RH thread, correct?). If I use a spanner (I can see the notches in the normal spots) won't that just allow me to remove the retaining ring that is holding the front element? Won't the metal housing still remain and block full access to the shutter?
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Yep-- tried a couple of different rubber grips without luck (this is standard RH thread, correct?). If I use a spanner (I can see the notches in the normal spots) won't that just allow me to remove the retaining ring that is holding the front element? Won't the metal housing still remain and block full access to the shutter?
As it doesn't rotate there would be no reason for it to be anything other than a RH thread. The lens would have to come out in any event to access the shutter and aperture blades. As to the ring, presumably that either comes off with the front rings or is part of the shutter housing.

It's hard to see from your photo, but, if the notches are proud of the outer ring, you may be able to employ Eg. a steel rule as a substitute for a lens spanner in this case, if you have one that would fit the slots.
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Man I am super stubborn (and a bit dumb I suppose). The F2.0 is on it's way to yet another repairman. The difference this time is more knowledge and I sent the Aries along for spare parts. We shall see...

In the meantime, here are some summertime shots from the other two cameras. First up is the f2.8 -





Mostly, though.... I shot with the f2.0 model -



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That lens is a keeper. I hope the f/2 gets there in the end.
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That lens is a keeper. I hope the f/2 gets there in the end.

Me too.... In the meantime I will enjoy the two good examples that seem to work fine. I just would like the other f2.0 (the first one I acquired from Gary) to be functional. The glass on that particular camera is flawless...just attached to a wonky shutter.

The f2.8 I've been shooting has edge separation and is not quite the performer somehow -- though it does fine stopped down in sunshine.

The second f2.0 that I found online in Tokyo is great mechanically and the glass is very good, but does have some flaws: namely slight edge fungus and "cleaning" marks. In practice it is 98% (opinion? imagined?) as good as the other f2.0

I can live happily with my existing two working examples, but I am hopeful the jewel of the collection can be made to work as well.
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BTW-

http://www.ebay.com/itm/311425582751...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


Goes off in a few hours: another nice f2.8 model this time with an original box (never seen before by me) and a lens brush

I would bid but a gotta save my pennies for the repair of my f2.0
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FOUR on eBay right now... I still have three-- one of which is out for repair.
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Nice shots, the lens is a keeper for sure.
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Two of my Mamiyas are in regular use (third is still in the queue at Bald Mountain).

More work from the last few months:













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Getting worried about Ken Ruth at Bald Mountain Photography He's been sick and I don't know about getting my Mamiya and Aires back from him....Of course I'm concerned about his health. Last I talked with him, the repair was done and about to be shipped but he had not prepared an invoice before he got sick

The cameras have been with him for 10 months

In the meantime-- here's some work from the other f2.0 Mamiya Magazine camera:











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Those magazine caps have got to be the rarest item. It's a lovely set.

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Anyone collecting this stuff still? Over the weekend I was browsing through a very small rural antiques place and found a magazine with cap and a black leather case for it sitting in a box of useless duplication gear.

Probably could have gotten it for peanuts but I'm not looking to replace my Ms
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Anyone collecting this stuff still? Over the weekend I was browsing through a very small rural antiques place and found a magazine with cap and a black leather case for it sitting in a box of useless duplication gear.

Probably could have gotten it for peanuts but I'm not looking to replace my Ms
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Big, exciting day for the Mamiya Magazine collection!

The f2.0 from Gary's collection is back....it is repaired!!!

Works beautifully....many months of trying and the third repairman....way to go Ken Ruth. This will be one of the last cameras that he restores--- lucky me. Ken is retired after many years of quality work. Thanks, Ken

The shutter is smooth and operates on all speeds. I will baby this camera and use it just enough to keep it working.



Ken included testing results on the shutter that are interesting:

1/1 (1.0 second) = .901
1/2 (.500) = .553
1/5 (.200) = .237
1/10 (.100) = .132
1/25 (.040) = .0388
1/50 (.020) = .0244
1/100 (.010) = .0114
1/250 (.004) = .00853 (more like 1/125)
1/500 (.002) = .00433 (more like 1/250)
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Wow, what a Journey! I applaud you for your extreme persistence and you now have potentially one of the rarer classics from the era. And to think, not only one but two examples. I really wonder how many more are still around and now especially, functioning. Kudos to you, and I hope you have many years of enjoyment with these.
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Wow, what a Journey! I applaud you for your extreme persistence and you now have potentially one of the rarer classics from the era. And to think, not only one but two examples. I really wonder how many more are still around and now especially, functioning. Kudos to you, and I hope you have many years of enjoyment with these.
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Thanks so much Gary! I have been shooting the recently repaired camera the last few days and it's been fun and rewarding. I keep track of any online traffic of these cameras on a regular basis...occasionally (about once a month or so) the f2.8 examples pop up for sale but the only two F2.0 models that have surfaced in the last few years are here with me I too wonder how many are out there ?

These cameras are good users as well...it is nice to be able to switch film/bodies at will. Normally I keep notes to track what I shoot.
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You are correct. I also track cameras of interest on Ebay and I have never seen another of these for sale. It's odd, I did see the other F 2.0 Model before you purchased it and I was thinking maybe I should bid on it, but you were so interested in these I figured why would I need another after just selling this one to you. I think they have found the right home and hopefully will be with you for a long time. I feel like this saga has about come to an end now this camera appears whole again, but always the best of luck, and I'm still crazy about my Auto Terra's.
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You are correct. I also track cameras of interest on Ebay and I have never seen another of these for sale. It's odd, I did see the other F 2.0 Model before you purchased it and I was thinking maybe I should bid on it, but you were so interested in these I figured why would I need another after just selling this one to you. I think they have found the right home and hopefully will be with you for a long time. I feel like this saga has about come to an end now this camera appears whole again, but always the best of luck, and I'm still crazy about my Auto Terra's.
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Thanks for not bidding on the second f2.0 camera--- it was my go to while I waited for the 1st one to be repaired

BTW--- Walked around the Ballard neighborhood in Seattle with the newly repaired camera:









I'm telling you--- this one has slightly better I.Q. !
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Beautiful color rendition. What film are you using and are you getting processing done in
Seattle?
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Beautiful color rendition. What film are you using and are you getting processing done in
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Hey Gary-
Thanks--- took a couple of years to find a process/sequence for color and for B&W.

Generally, ALL of my color work (about 95%) is AGFA 200 - Processed and Scanned by TheDarkroom.com I use their scans to post online and they send me a higher res file on CD and of course, the original negs. The results are consistent! Punchy, vibrant colors and nice grain. Not too fast, not too slow for handheld rangefinder work.

For Black and white I only use Tri-X @ 400.... same processing company.

This winter, I plan to set up my darkroom after a 15 year break.
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And then there were FOUR

Today I picked up Mamiya Magazine #4 --this one is complete but not working - got it for parts. The lens (the F2.8 variety) is very nice/perfect, rangefinder is right on, just won't fire...

I already robbed the viewfinder window trim frame for my recently repaired f2.0... plus I can use the removable film back and it came with a complete leather case. Good deal I think at $40.

Funny thing is, the serial number was already on my list as a known camera... it was bound to happen that one that I saw somewhere online would end up surfacing again. Can't be many of these around!

I may carefully dismantle this one (already had the top off briefly today) and see how they "tick"
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Cassel,

I'm not a photographer but I found this thread on a search about the Mamiya 35 Cartridge. It was an absolute joy to read everyone's comments and I learned so much about the camera.

I live in Tokyo and found an f2.8 camera with spare magazine when i was clearing out a house of one of my wife's relatives. They are both in brown leather cases and seem to be in good condition. The shutter works fine, although a little quieter than I was expecting.

Reading the thread I was almost tempted to take up photography and start using it myself, but on reflection, it's probably better if I can find someone who will make better use of it. As you seem to be cornering the world market, I wondered if you might like to add another to your collection?

Let me know if this sounds of interest.
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Took a while to shoot another roll with the repaired f2.0 Magazine camera!
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