The Canon "mirrorless" - Page 4

semilog · 07-24-2012

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Originally Posted by bugmenot

I wonder why Sony, which is the most successful APS-C mirrorless producer to date. Was not mentioned alongside the other four manufacturers you named above.

Obviously I'm part of the global anti-Sony conspiracy/omerta/jihad. </sarcasm>

kahudson · 07-24-2012

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Originally Posted by CK Dexter Haven

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• No controls for aperture/shutter speed. From a video i saw, it seems you need to access a menu to change these parameters, as if you're changing ISO. That is a major dealbreaker for me. Unless they have a screen that remains on while the camera's operating, that has a simple finger swipe gesture to change time and aperture, without pushing a button to access them.

Can you provide a link to that video? Overall, I have found this a poor offering from Canon and having to change shutter speed AND aperture opening as you've described is a complete non-starter.

matthewm · 07-24-2012

I find it incredibly interesting that they didn't include a built-in flash. If this is marketed at point-and-shooters looking for an upgrade, they're missing a key component. My mom would run screaming from a camera that she had to actually put a shoe-mounted flash on. She can barely work her 6-year-old CoolPix. Let alone something like this with a lens and a flash and all that touch-screen crap. She'd be so buried in menus and settings that she'd never get out and the camera would just end up in the pool. Not to mention the size. You take a T4i with an 18-55 kit lens and you've got a fairly small package. Pop-up flash included. Take this EOS-M (stupid name) and add an 18-55 lens and a shoe-mount flash and you've got something easily larger and more cumbersome than any of the Rebel lineup.

Canon has clearly thrown together something as small as an S100 with a big, bright touch screen and they've given no real thought to who this thing is marketed to and real-world experience. In my opinion, it's a foolish entry into the Mirrorless world. It's essentially a Panasonic GF5 with a bigger sensor and no flash. It's CERTAINLY NOT comparable to the NEX lineup or the offerings from Fuji.

It's just a stupid, gimmicky, little toy that will create buzz for a bit and then be upgraded every year for the next 5 years until they come out with the next thing. I was really expecting a G1X with interchangeable lenses and a decent VF or at the very least, the option for one. Shame...

igi · 07-24-2012

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Originally Posted by back alley

thanks...i'll do some research...

To be honest, I thought Contax was resurrected without my knowledge and made a new T point-and-shoot

hub · 07-24-2012

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Originally Posted by matthewm

I find it incredibly interesting that they didn't include a built-in flash. If this is marketed at point-and-shooters looking for an upgrade, they're missing a key component. My mom would run screaming from a camera that she had to actually put a shoe-mounted flash on. She can barely work her 6-year-old CoolPix.

The difference with the Coolpix is that, IF the EOS-M has the same IQ as the Rebel T4i/650D, then it will make the flash requirement not so much. Maybe your mom should just have to get used to not have a flash and still be able to take picture in low light :-)

BTW I tend to be more interested in the small 90EX flash they will release with it. If it does work as a master controller on my 5DMkII for the 550EX, I'll buy it.

hub · 07-24-2012

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Originally Posted by kahudson

Can you provide a link to that video? Overall, I have found this a poor offering from Canon and having to change shutter speed AND aperture opening as you've described is a complete non-starter.

I have had the same feeling. The lack of control for aperture / speed through a knob is a bit of a non starter.

matthewm · 07-24-2012

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Originally Posted by hub

The difference with the Coolpix is that, IF the EOS-M has the same IQ as the Rebel T4i/650D, then it will make the flash requirement not so much. Maybe your mom should just have to get used to not have a flash and still be able to take picture in low light :-)

BTW I tend to be more interested in the small 90EX flash they will release with it. If it does work as a master controller on my 5DMkII for the 550EX, I'll buy it.

My mom using a camera in low light without a flash? LOL! I don't know if she'd be able to see what was in focus, let alone where the shutter button was. HAHAHA!

I do like the looks of that little flash. I was thinking it might be fun to have for my 5D/40 combo or my GRDIII.

kshapero · 07-25-2012

Can you spot the stupid Ken Rockwell claim?

Canon EOS M
1.6x, 18 MP Mirrorless: $800, October:
The world's first serious mirrorless camera.
© 2012 KenRockwell.com. All rights reserved.

tom.w.bn · 07-26-2012

I think this camera aims for those dslr-users looking for a nice 2nd camera. For that it's great.

greyelm · 07-26-2012

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Originally Posted by kshapero

Can you spot the stupid Ken Rockwell claim?

Canon EOS M
1.6x, 18 MP Mirrorless: $800, October:
The world's first serious mirrorless camera.
© 2012 KenRockwell.com. All rights reserved.

I don't consider any mirrorless camera without a viewfinder "serious"

t6un · 07-26-2012

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I don't consider any mirrorless camera without a viewfinder "serious"

The ones that Daguerre used weren't serious enough?

greyelm · 07-26-2012

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Originally Posted by t6un

The ones that Daguerre used weren't serious enough?

Out of context.

dct · 07-26-2012

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Originally Posted by kshapero

Mr Rockwell is always funny to read even if I don't agree with all of his opinions. I guess: In his eyes, because it is a CANON, it MUST BE the FIRST SERIOUS mirrorless one?

MaxElmar · 08-10-2012

Nifty - I want to put a CV21 on it and use a CV28 finder in the shoe. Boom. I bet the M adapters are available on ebay before the camera is.