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Old 02-02-2016   #121
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Thanks Archiver for suggestion, I agree 12 and 25 primes should be the correct combo (when I use my FM2 I very oft use a 50 and a 20) and eventually for portraits one of my M 35 (which will become a moderate tele) or the 45.
Now, just wait the camera arrives on the italian market!
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Regarding AF speed, my Oly E-P5, which has the same AF as the more recent OMD models, is lightening fast with the most recent Zuiko lenses, like the 25/1.8 and the 45/1.8. It's still pretty fast with older lenses like the Zuiko 17/2.8 or Pany 20/1.7, but occasionally the AF hunts and you miss a shot. The fast AF is one reason I've stuck with Oly m4/3 and not gone to the Fuji X100 cameras.
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@xixi_gelly - I have the Oly E-M5, the Panasonic GH3, GH4, and GM1, as well as the original Fuji X100 with fully updated firmware. I also have a Canon 30D and 5D Mark II.

The E-M5 is very close to the AF speed of the Canon 30D. It's not as fast as the 5D II, although it is close enough to make very little difference. The E-M5 can focus in situations that the Canons find difficult, like very low light places with lowish contrast. I can never get the 30D or 5D II to focus properly in a very dark street, for example. The mirrorless cameras boost their sensitivity to make the scene brighter internally, and focus from that image.

If you are dissatisfied with the focus speed of the X100S, I have read that the X100T is faster. At the same time, I am more than satisfied with the E-M5 and other m43 cameras for most street shooting. Some of the Oly primes, like the 12/2 and 17/1.8, have a very well implemented manual focus ring, which allows you to zone focus easily, too.
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@Archiver ...many thanks for the 5D II comparison. There have been some instances when low light AF has gotten in the way leading to missed shots but it's acceptable.

@Bingley ...happy to hear the AF is quick relative to the Fujis. I've been thinking permanently fixing an Oly 17mm 1.8 on the body as an alternative to the X100 series and hoping it'll be much quicker. Not too fussed about missing out on the better image quality the Fuji APS-C could deliver - a moot point if the shutter won't fire when I click!

Thanks to both your opinions. Anyone else opt for a M4/3 over Fuji?


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@xixi_gelly - I have the Oly E-M5, the Panasonic GH3, GH4, and GM1, as well as the original Fuji X100 with fully updated firmware. I also have a Canon 30D and 5D Mark II.

The E-M5 is very close to the AF speed of the Canon 30D. It's not as fast as the 5D II, although it is close enough to make very little difference. The E-M5 can focus in situations that the Canons find difficult, like very low light places with lowish contrast. I can never get the 30D or 5D II to focus properly in a very dark street, for example. The mirrorless cameras boost their sensitivity to make the scene brighter internally, and focus from that image.

If you are dissatisfied with the focus speed of the X100S, I have read that the X100T is faster. At the same time, I am more than satisfied with the E-M5 and other m43 cameras for most street shooting. Some of the Oly primes, like the 12/2 and 17/1.8, have a very well implemented manual focus ring, which allows you to zone focus easily, too.
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I've had Fuji X100, the first, original one. Even after all firmware updates it was slow as a mule; I became frustrated with it and sold it. EM5 (again, the first, original one) is super-fast. In fact, I think it's the faster-focusing camera I've had, certainly faster than my Nikon D610, for example. We're talking single-AF mode, I am not interested in servo and I have no need for it so didn't check.

When I think about it, EM5 is my all-time favourite, beaten only by the creme de la creme, ha ha, which is Olympus XA.
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@xixi_gelly - you're welcome. As far as fixing the Oly 17/1.8 on the E-M5, that is a combination I often use, and the results are very nice. The 17/1.8 is sharper wide open than the X100/S/T, and while it doesn't have the close macro focus of the Fuji, it still focuses very close. You won't get quite the same shallowness of DoF from the Oly 17/1.8, but that is fine if you are shooting street, generally.

I also put the 17/1.8 on the GM1, and I like the way that sensor does colour more than the E-M5. Your preferences may be different, though.

Olympus face detection is very fast and accurate, and I always thought of face detection as a lazy person's gimmick until I tried the E-M5. It's pretty darn good, if that helps your decision.
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I'm still doing my homework's about m 4/3...that Pen is beautiful....

Just found this and this, maybe interesting for someone...

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I'm still doing my homework's about m 4/3...that Pen is beautiful....

Just found this and this, maybe interesting for someone...

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I like the m43s, especially as a small, light, travel go everywhere kind of camera.....

Olympus's EM5-II has weather sealing. Although it is an SLR design, so may not be to everyone's tastes. It does feel pretty solid though. With the olympus primes it is nicely balanced (e.g. the 25mm 18). I've used it with the 12-40mm pro, which turns out to be a good substitute for the primes if you don't mind the bigger form factor. Its still a lot more convenient to carry around relative to a digital SLR....

The links you cite suggest that buying the latest camera body might not be necessary for image quality. Given the depreciation on new camera bodies, unless you need, say, the Pen body right now there might well be some deals to be had towards the end of the year.....
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I like my Panasonic m4/3 GH3. I have a couple of the Panasonic "Leica" prime lenses for it, and also a good collection of Canon FD lenses. For what I do, I'm happy with them. I don't have any other digital gear, having sold my Canon DSLR and lenses.
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My interest has faded - no weather sealed primes :-(
The tipping point was the 17/1.8 :
If it had a bit higher IQ and been weather sealed, I would have remained enthusiastic.
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I really am quite satisfied with the image quality from my E-PL1 and E-P2 with some quality lenses. I switch back and forth each weekend between the M 4/3 duo and the M8/M9 duo. For landscape photography, I would most likely prefer using a MF camera to better capture tonality richness with slow film.
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I dislike the 4:3 format. For me it's 3:2 or square.

That said I've never used a 4:3 format camera. The quality of images I seen look nice: punchy and sharp. Each to their own.
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I failed to bond with 3 M4/3 bodies including, finally, a GX7. All made nice images, but I didn't really enjoy using them - I think this was a combination of the EVF's, manual focus I didn't enjoy or find easy enough and constantly cropping to 3:2 or 1:1.

I've just bought an XP2, which has the OVF I like in my rf's. It also focuses quickly and has well implemented manual focus support. As such it's heading in a very good direction.

Like Raid, I would rather shoot landscape on medium format film really.
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I shoot my OM-Ds in 3:2 format, FWIW. The E-M5 mkII is a great performer, especially with the Pana/Leica 25 Summilux and the Oly 45 1.8.

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I shoot my OM-Ds in 3:2 format, FWIW. The E-M5 mkII is a great performer, especially with the Pana/Leica 25 Summilux and the Oly 45 1.8.

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Whale Tail, Maui, February 12, 2016 by Maggie Osterberg, on Flickr

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Drought-Stricken Waterfall, Maui, Hawaii, February 13, 2016 by Maggie Osterberg, on Flickr

I really liked the 45, just didn't bond with the evf's.

The photographer was a particularly good performer to grab the first shot! Bravo.
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I really liked the 45, just didn't bond with the evf's.

The photographer was a particularly good performer to grab the first shot! Bravo.
Thank you! It was a magical day on the water, for certain.

I also like how the E-M5 mkII works with my 1980's Nikkor 105/2.5. The EVF makes focusing it easier than the first gen of the OM-D.

The 105 on the MkII:


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On the fence.

Hello,

I am still on the fence about Micro-4/3. I had an Olympus OM-D E-M5 with the kit lens, and while not as good quality wise as my X100S, it was good enough. Of course I did not try any good prime lenses, so I might be missing something. Same goes with the GM5 I just got. Very small and handy but the 12-32mm kit lens is very disappointing. Some call it pretty sharp, and that may be true at f5.6, but go to f16/f22 and the pictures are unusable. I plan on getting the Panasonic Leica 15mm hoping it will solve the quality problem.

P1000102-2 by Gil ., on Flickr. GM5 and 12-32mm.


Dozer by Gil ., on Flickr. OM-D E-M5 with 14-42? kit lens.

I think the M4/3 sensor size is at the edge of acceptable quality, for me at least, and does not tolerate bad lenses. I will play with it a bit more with better optics. So far, while I am not overly disappointed, I am not impressed either. Had my X100S not crapped out after 5K shots I would have waited and bought another one... We'll see.

BTW if someone could tell me how to both lock AF and exposure on the GM5 with the shutter button, that'd be great, because I can't find any way to do it, it only locks AF, and yes, I have read the manual...

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I failed to bond with 3 M4/3 bodies including, finally, a GX7. All made nice images, but I didn't really enjoy using them - I think this was a combination of the EVF's, manual focus I didn't enjoy or find easy enough and constantly cropping to 3:2 or 1:1.

I've just bought an XP2, which has the OVF I like in my rf's. It also focuses quickly and has well implemented manual focus support. As such it's heading in a very good direction.

Like Raid, I would rather shoot landscape on medium format film really.
I've been tempted at times by the same and for the same reason - the finder, but hell it's an APS-C size sensor, which means you end up with a larger package (when you consider lens diameter). Fuji also costs more money for the camera; the prime lenses are great but quite expensive. With the Olympus E-P5 and small primes for the quarter-frame sensor, I am able to stay small and pay quite a bit less.
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I have been a u4/3 user for a bit more than seven years. I have gotten rid of a lot of older cameras I dearly loved. Started out with a GF1, and now my GH3 and GX7 bodies suit my style very well. I like the size and handling. The lenses more than meet my needs. My daily kit is a GX7, 12-35/2.8 and 35-100/2.8. Other favored lenses include the 7-14/4, 24/1.4 and Sigma 60/2.8. This gear is like a pair of comfortable shoes and has become a very integral part of my photo experience. I know the cameras well enough to produce the images I like. No explanations, technical or otherwise, except we get on well together.

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I think the m43 cams do a fine job. Love my Panasonic G5 and Panasonic 20mm f1.7.



I have a nice "little used" OMD E-M5 inbound, hope it is as good as everyone says :-)

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I've been using an E-M5 for a while, with the Lumix G Fisheye 3.5/8, and the Oly 45/1.8, plus a variety of kit and legacy lenses. I also bought a grip from a Chinese source, for very cheap money, and find it helps with my fairly large hands. The camera is very well made, as is the grip, and they make a nice handling pair.
I like it a lot. Even with the added grip, it is quick handling, and much smaller than my DSLR's.

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I think it depends on what you need from a camera and what you need for a finished photo.

I do a diverse range of jobs and projects--some for work and some personal. I find that some cameras are good for some things and not for others. For very large landscape prints my Canon 5D mkii works well or medium/large format film. For street I still like my Leica M4-2. The Canon is also nice for tethered portraits.

But that being said I recently bought a used Panasonic GX7 and like it very much. I like the image quality and some of the modern features like wifi and the ability to fire it by smart phone. I actually used that feature on a job. The silent electronic shutter is great for event shooting and probably would be good for street. I generally hate touch screens but actually like it on the GX7. The touch screen interface is very well thought out. I think 16MP is sufficient for many applications. After using the GX7 for a while the Canon 5DmkII seems like a real burden to use--even though it is a good camera.

I enjoy using the GX7 am very satisfied with the images that I am producing with it and plan to keep it or upgrade it.
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i believe that to seriously try to argue IQ is just silly. as the articles R Blu cited above, long time pros have no issue in this regard at this point in the tech curve. so its not really about IQ, but rather and very simply its about the subjective nature of finding a look that draws each individual person. the only objective IQ issue in m4/3 is DOF (and im not entirely certain that is an IQ issue): the lovely oly 17/1.8 will never have a more shallow DOF than a 35mm lens shot at about 3.6. there are some for whom this is simply a non starter, just as the inability of the m8/9 to shoot at high iso were nonstarters for some. thats fine, its an objective matter and seems to me theres no need to try to convince them they dont want what the equipment cannot deliver. same for those whom lack of weatherproofed primes is an issue, though i am curious how those folk ended up on a rangefinder forum. ):

at the end of the day, like everything else, there are objective reasons to not choose any system--FF, apsc, or m4/3. but general IQ is really no longer one of them.
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New Olympus Pen-F has made me reconsider the m4/3!

as aspect ratio, am fan of 3:2 because it allows flexible crop to both more square (4:3) or rectangular (16:9).
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I've owned several micro 4/3--Olympus and Panasonic--as well as several Olympus 4/3 DSLRs. Image quality was great, not denying. I actually loved the Olympus Evolt better than any of the micro 4/3 models--ergonomically they handled perfectly and I prefer optical to electronic viewing. But I came to realize I like the 3:2 aspect ratio better than the 4:3. It seemed every time I printed one of my Olympus photos, it looked better when cropped. Also, when I printed a 4/3 format photo up to 12x18 inches, it never looked quite as clean as an APS-C format image printed the same size.

In summary, I liked micro 4/3 and standard 4/3 while I was using them. But APS-C format just seems to be the sweet spot for me in both image quality and in format dimensions.
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I've wanted a m4/3 camera for a couple of years now, and finally the prices of the used models dropped below a $100. So last month I bought one and your statement is looking like the truth.

I've already stuck different lenses on it from film rangefinders and SLRs. This is stuff that I've had for awhile and with cheap adapters now I have what feels like an exotic luxury item. One day I'm using a 35mm Leitz lens, another a 100mm tele-Sandmar, yet another a 25mm Wollensak cine lens. What other camera system has this kind of versatility? The only thing lacking are cheap wide-angles (wider than 35mm equivalent).
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I've used an Em5 for about 4 years or so. It's a really well made camera, my issue is that I hate the menu system! It is overly complex and for me, sometimes gets in the way of what I am doing. Take into consideration I'm not much of techie either! Under certain light, dusk in autumn, I've gotten some really lovely saturated color.

Don Springer, from Inspired Eye uses the new Pen-F. He's taken some wonderful bw images with it. (He is on flickr). It really is a beautiful camera, although reviews have stated that AF tracking isn't that good, I have never used one. I do think whatever camera Don uses works it magic in his hands, he took some really lovely ones with the XT1, as well.
Some people really like the LX100 or the Leica 109 (essentially the same camera, except that the Leica comes with their firmware). Ming Thein has an excellent review of both the LX100, Leica 109. Of course all his images look terrific which only makes it more difficult to figure out if it really matters to spend twice as much on a 109!

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When 4/3 came on the market with the first Olympus 4/3 SLR cams, I liked the idea, mainly because of the genuinely telecentric approach in lens design. What I did not really like was the 2x crop, because I mainly shot with adapted manual lenses in those times on my Canon EOS DSLR. The 2x crop "turned" any 50mm lens into a 100mm, any 35mm still into a 70mm tele and even a 24mm worked like a "normal" lens. It was almost impossible to shoot in wide angles when you shot manual lenses on 4/3. (The only way, before Samyang, were extremely expensive and heavy older 14mm lenses.)

So, I respected 4/3 but never went for it.

When Olympus came out with the first PEN as a µ4/3 system, I was kind of thrilled, because the camera looked fantastic, I loved the idea of using such a compact system that still offered a performance unmatched by any compact digital camera of that time.

I still did not invest in the system. APS-C had become the best compromise for me between size, performance, features and prize. First with Canon EOS DSLRs and later with Sony NEX system-cameras.

In order to try out and play with µ4/3, though, I later bought a used Panasonic GF3 for little money - and it basically it was just that for me, a toy.

After some time, I had the chance to start a cooperation with Olympus and was sent three of their cameras and several lenses for testing reasons and writing about them on my blog. Those cameras (OM 10, OM 1, PEN 5), really amazed me and most of the lenses as well. I was surprised by both the quality of the built and of the images. But since I already had more than enough systems (after a change, I shot with Nikon, Fuji and Leica), I did resist buying one of those cams.

Since some months ago, I every now and then shoot and write for Meyer Optik Görlitz. They send me lenses, I take photos and write short texts for their website. When they told me that I was about to receive a Nocturnus 0,95/35 for µ4/3, I quickly had to organise another camera, because I thought that the Lumix GF3 would not be an appropriate machine for that lens. On the other hand, I did not want to spend too much money on another µ4/3 cam. Fortunately, I found a mint Olympus PEN E-P3 for a really good price.
This cam then really convinced me (again). The µ4/3 system is a highly capable one that offers almost anything you might want for.

I do shoot with "fullframe" (Nikon Df), APS 1.3 (Leica M8), APS 1.5 (Fuji X-series, Nikon D7000...) and µ4/3 and in the same way that Megapixelnumbers have lost all their importance for me - "enough" is allright, I don't care if it is 10, 12, 16 or 20 - the sensor size is also secondary for me - "big enough" is mostly enough. (Again, only with vintage lenses, I prefer fullframe.)

I even have replaced my excellent Fuji X-T1 (APS) with the equally excellent Leica D-LUX 109 (µ4/3). Sometimes, portability is most important, esp. if it is combined with amazing performance.
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Main Cams: Leica, Sony, Nikon, Fuji, Olympus, Pentax, Panasonic, Canon
Main Lenses: Leica, Nikkor, Voigtländer, Fuji, Sigma, Pentax, Tamron, Rokkor etc.
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