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Old 11-13-2016   #1
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Magnum Collection or just more Monetizing?

Magnum is trying a new way to sell print collections

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Do you even know what a digital c-print is?

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Well, the problem with digital prints is that instead of buying them for $250, you could just do a screen capture, downsize the image to 8x10, take the files to Costco or wherever, and have a set printed for about $15 total (not that I am encouraging you to do so). Unsigned digital prints don't appreciate in value.
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Not to mention provenance. These offerings seem to be very affordable, with some great images.

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Do you even know what a digital c-print is?
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The basic idea of a set of subject connected prints within an envelope is a sound alternative to other means of distribution e.g book. It isn't new as collections were often produced for tourists instead of single postcard purchase. On my desktop I happen to have a pack of 10 photos of BERN printed in concertina form with each photo measuring about 10 x 7 cm. Lots of these envelope packs were sold in the 1960s and 70s but seem to have gone out of fashion.
So you buy a pack of Magnum photos - what would you do with just the ones you like especially in the size printed? If these were artistic prints rather than journalistic, if they were each signed and numbered, there might be a restricted market. But they aren't. I doubt if even the enthusiastic photographer will be interested.
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Well, the problem with digital prints is that instead of buying them for $250, you could just do a screen capture, downsize the image to 8x10, take the files to Costco or wherever, and have a set printed for about $15 total (not that I am encouraging you to do so). Unsigned digital prints don't appreciate in value.
So, instead of buying something, you can steal it? And how do you know they won't appreciate in value? They are stamped by Magnum.
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Well, the problem with digital prints is that instead of buying them for $250, you could just do a screen capture, downsize the image to 8x10, take the files to Costco or wherever, and have a set printed for about $15 total (not that I am encouraging you to do so). Unsigned digital prints don't appreciate in value.
)) what???????
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i think it's a nice initiative. At the moment they have only 4 sets and none of the 4 are something i am interested in, but if they extend it to e.g. a set by Capa on Budapest 1947 i might be interested in that.

Some of the single 6x6 prints they sold recently are already selling on the secondhand market for more than the list price... so yes, it is kind of an investment. Won't make you a millionaire of course.
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It looks like a less expensive alternative to the notion of a 'folio' collection of prints that I've been doing, albeit a less expensive printing, no signature and limited provenance, and a lower cost enclosure.

Seems a great way to get some prints out there at a reasonable quality level and price, to me, and allows more photography buyers a way to see and enjoy some of these photographers' work.

"Collectable" value obviously won't ascend the way signed, editioned prints do but almost anything can become 'collectable' over time. Remember that the collectable value is of interest only to the buyer; sellers get no return on collectable valuation of their works in second sale transactions. If you're buying prints to enjoy the work, it makes no difference what the collectable value might become.

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Well, the problem with digital prints is that instead of buying them for $250, you could just do a screen capture, downsize the image to 8x10, take the files to Costco or wherever, and have a set printed for about $15 total (not that I am encouraging you to do so). Unsigned digital prints don't appreciate in value.
There's a vast difference between what is sent to your screen and what is sent to the printer. A high-quality scan or full-size JPG might be tens of megabytes or more. I doubt they're just giving that away. The images on their website are only 2048 pixels on the long edge, and compressed for the web. So you could have the fuzzy version for $15. I suppose that's why some websites put an ugly watermark over the image, something I consider more of a blight than your theoretical amateur piracy.

That said, I don't see any image in this series compelling enough to be willing to pay $30 for each print. Which is not to say it's not good work. I just don't have that kind of disposable income and question its investment potential. I'd rather spend the money on film, gear and photography road trips.
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Like I said: "not that I am encouraging you to do so"

OMG - stamped by Magnum.

Have you looked at the portfolios? Which one would you buy as an investment?
Ok, well... I would buy because I enjoy them, not because of an investment. However, you are making like because they are not signed and are digital prints, that they could never appreciate in value. Photo books appreciate in value. I'm thinking the fact that they are stamped shows legitimacy and authenticity. Many established galleries in NYC are selling digital prints.
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I'm guessing they are signed by the artist and not stamped with the name of his agency.
And they are not selling for $30 a print either. And Magnum is not just any agency.
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I am absolutely certain the digital C-prints Magnum provides are nicer than the inkjet ones I could get at Costco, but...
Akshully Costco's regular prints are not ink jet but they use light sensitive silver halide paper. So you get a "real" photo print from Costco.

Pretty cool really.
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Which portfolios will you be buying?
None of them... but I'm not sure why you are asking this. I'd have no problem buying one if it included the photos I want.
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Akshully Costco's regular prints are not ink jet but they use light sensitive silver halide paper. So you get a "real" photo print from Costco.

Pretty cool really.
huh, never knew. i think i like that
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I'm finding the response to this utterly amazing. Let's see, a folio of 8 8x10 images by a single photographer (includes Bruce Gilden, for god's sake), edition is limited to 100, each image is copyrighted stamped by the photographer, printed on Fujicolor Crystal Archive (most fade resistant for a C-Print there is), and for the cost of $31 / print.

And a suggestion about screen capture with a trip to Costco emerges. Where is this coming from? It's not cheap enough??? Do we not appreciate photography? Maybe we should just pick and choose from the RFF gallery and head for Costco.

I have several folios from Brooks Jensen (Lenswork), of various photographers. It is an extremely nice way to collect photographs, without the effort of framing.
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Which portfolio(s) will you be purchasing?
And what does that have to do with Costco??? You started this ridiculous, insulting vector.

I'd probably go for the Christopher Anderson folio, but I purchased one of the Square Print images last week (my sixth), so my monthly Magnum budget has been used up.
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And Magnum is not just any agency.
Magnum WAS not just any agency I would dispute that is still the case.
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Magnum WAS not just any agency I would dispute that is still the case.
Ok, but the photographers that are part of the agency are still great photographers.
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I'm finding the response to this utterly amazing. Let's see, a folio of 8 8x10 images by a single photographer (includes Bruce Gilden, for god's sake), edition is limited to 100, each image is copyrighted stamped by the photographer, printed on Fujicolor Crystal Archive (most fade resistant for a C-Print there is), and for the cost of $31 / print.

And a suggestion about screen capture with a trip to Costco emerges. Where is this coming from? It's not cheap enough??? Do we not appreciate photography? Maybe we should just pick and choose from the RFF gallery and head for Costco.

I have several folios from Brooks Jensen (Lenswork), of various photographers. It is an extremely nice way to collect photographs, without the effort of framing.
My sentiments exactly.
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Is it the cost? Is it the selection of photographers/photographs? Is it that you'll look at them a couple of times and then put them in a drawer?
For me, it is not the cost. I think they are priced well. However, I'm not into these particular selections.
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No one so far has indicated that he is going to purchase any of the portfolios. For those not interested, explain why not.

We know plummerl has already maxed out his monthly Magnum budget (which, since he purchased a square print for $100, his budget will never allow him to purchase one of the $250 portfolios anyway). Mich rassena said "I don't see any image in this series compelling enough to be willing to pay $30 for each print", which is pretty much where I am.

Is it the cost? Is it the selection of photographers/photographs? Is it that you'll look at them a couple of times and then put them in a drawer? Is it that they are unlikely to appreciate? Is it that you could buy a coffee table size book of the photographers' work for less than the cost of the prints? Is it that you would rather buy 40 rolls of film or a couple of boxes of paper and do your own work?
I think they are priced fine but none of the prints interest me. I'd buy a set if they had selections from the right photographers. Koudelka would interest me a lot.
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No one so far has indicated that he is going to purchase any of the portfolios. For those not interested, explain why not.

We know plummerl has already maxed out his monthly Magnum budget (which, since he purchased a square print for $100, his budget will never allow him to purchase one of the $250 portfolios anyway). Mich rassena said "I don't see any image in this series compelling enough to be willing to pay $30 for each print", which is pretty much where I am.

Is it the cost? Is it the selection of photographers/photographs? Is it that you'll look at them a couple of times and then put them in a drawer? Is it that they are unlikely to appreciate? Is it that you could buy a coffee table size book of the photographers' work for less than the cost of the prints? Is it that you would rather buy 40 rolls of film or a couple of boxes of paper and do your own work?
Why? Was there some requirement that one must state why and what they buy for you?

I buy art when I like what I see, feel like it, want it, and don't feel that I have to broadcast or justify what I'm spending my money on to you or anyone else.

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Probably because you keep asking people that when they explain to you why it's not a bad deal.
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No one so far has indicated that he is going to purchase any of the portfolios. For those not interested, explain why not.

We know plummerl has already maxed out his monthly Magnum budget (which, since he purchased a square print for $100, his budget will never allow him to purchase one of the $250 portfolios anyway). Mich rassena said "I don't see any image in this series compelling enough to be willing to pay $30 for each print", which is pretty much where I am.

Is it the cost? Is it the selection of photographers/photographs? Is it that you'll look at them a couple of times and then put them in a drawer? Is it that they are unlikely to appreciate? Is it that you could buy a coffee table size book of the photographers' work for less than the cost of the prints? Is it that you would rather buy 40 rolls of film or a couple of boxes of paper and do your own work?
you've skipped me.
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No requirement. All posts on RFF are purely voluntary. Don't know why you thought otherwise.
Because you keep insisting that people tell you what they are buying and, when they don't, you complain that no one has said anything. Give it a rest.

You don't consider this a good deal, it seems. Many others do. That's all.

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Like I said: "not that I am encouraging you to do so"

OMG - stamped by Magnum.

Have you looked at the portfolios? Which one would you buy as an investment?

I think you actually nailed it in the head, and the reaction like "Whaaat...???" is not warranted here. The presentation is not at the "collectors level", and at this day and age not a lot of people want to spend money on idea of print, rather than print itself.
I will not be buying. My reason: I just don't know what to do with it if I did, other than for investment, and that's been already discussed above.
Reportage photographs do not look right on a walls of house. Maybe office, maybe. But not really. These photographs (some are genius) belong in the book, I think.
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I would buy prints if they were from a photographer I liked, say Salgado or HBC.

Last couple of years, my wife bought me a couple of Ansel Adams prints from the Adams gallery. Didn't buy them as investment, but because I like the images and wanted prints from the actual negatives (so I read IIRC).

If Adams et al can do it, why not Magnum? As for screen captures, costco prints and stunts like that, I'll leave that to each person's own sense of values.
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Well if you want prints from negatives from Magnum, you can get those too.
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Sorry, I scroll it all down to do some math and tell what I think.

249$ is it total for this? Which is eight (8) good quality prints from some name I have no knowledge about and some content I have zero interest in.
Sorry, if it was already mentioned above, 249/8 is 31$ for the Magnum print.
I think, it is dirt cheap for Magnum. Or I'm constantly skunked by my local camera store, which does good quality print and all of the pre-printing job for something like 15$.
And Magnum wants 31$ for C type print. HOLLY SMOKE it is CHEAP.
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Stumbled over this today. I love the stuff Jonas Bendiksen does. Seriously considering this set.
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