Mapping the Freestyle Discount Films
Old 09-27-2009   #1
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Mapping the Freestyle Discount Films

From what I've gathered and somewhat loosely tested, I've found the following information to be true:

Arista Premium 100 = Kodak PlusX 100
Arista Premium 400 = Kodak TriX 400

Arista EDU Ultra 100 = Fomapan 100 Classic
Arista EDU Ultra 200 = Fomapan 200 Creative
Arista EDU Ultra 400 = Fomapan 400 Action

Legacy Pro 100 = Fuji Across 100
Legacy Pro 400= Fuji Neopan 400

EDIT: It has been confirmed by the owners of Adox that their film is in fact re-packaged Efke. Although this is not a Freestlye film, freestyle does carry both films, check which is cheaper when ordering.

The following is no longer relevant:
I've read rumors that modern Adox film is actually re-branded Efke which was duplicating the original Adox formulas from the 50s-60s. A couple years after Efke came out with these films, a company bought the name Adox to use the Efke films (or so the rumor goes). Regardless of whether or not they are the same, they cost the same price so it's kind of a mute point.

Can anyone confirm that these films are the same?


Adox CHS 25 Art = Fotokemika Efke KB25
Adox CHS 50 Art = Fotokemika Efke KB50
Adox CHS 100 Art = Fotokemika Efke KB100

Are any other of the films that Freestyle sells re-branded, It could be very useful for all this sort of information to be centralized into one thread.

Please share your experience with the re-branded films, where they the same as the real thing? How was it different?

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Old 09-27-2009   #2
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Good idea.

I made this thread a sticky to make it easy to find and a resource that can be updated and a convenient place to find links.

First link is this REVIEW of Ultra EDU 200/Fomapan 200 which has popped up after being lost for a while.


http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...ad.php?t=12620
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Awesome, I knew a little of this but this is really great work.
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Can anyone confirm that these films are the same?

Adox CHS 25 Art = Fotokemika Efke KB25
Adox CHS 50 Art = Fotokemika Efke KB50
Adox CHS 100 Art = Fotokemika Efke KB100
Fotoimpex (the guys that purchased the trade mark) can: http://www.adox.de/english/ADOX_Film...CHS_Films.html
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Old 10-01-2009   #7
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More info on Foma/Arista EDU

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...threadid=47424
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Is the Pro 100 really Acros? Other threads have said it was a different fuji Neopan, not Acros. That's why I haven't tried it.
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Is the Pro 100 really Acros? Other threads have said it was a different fuji Neopan, not Acros. That's why I haven't tried it.
The real name for Fuji Acros is Fuji Neopan 100 Acros.

Here is the link to fuji's site: http://www.fujifilmusa.com/products/...400/index.html

If you like 100 acros, or 100 neopan (however they've been naming it where you are, try this out, it's cheap and it's supposed to be identical.)

Now if you're saying that the 100 stuff is different then the 400 stuff, then yes, it's basic look translates acrossfilm speeds, but not as well as say delta 400 and 100. Acros 100 is great film though, can't go wrong.
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I've only shot one roll of the Pro 100 and to my eyes it looks more like Acros than Neopan 100. I'd go with Acros. I have a roll of Acros I need to finish up, then I'll have a better comparison.
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I think Zonan may have been referring to the fact that in Japan (& perhaps some other markets), Fuji offers another Neopan 100 ISO film which is not Acros, called Neopan SS (see, e.g., http://www.japanexposures.com/shop/p...products_id=33 ). What they sell in the U.S. as Neopan 400 & 1600 are designated in Japan as Presto & Super Presto.

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The real name for Fuji Acros is Fuji Neopan 100 Acros.

Here is the link to fuji's site: http://www.fujifilmusa.com/products/...400/index.html

If you like 100 acros, or 100 neopan (however they've been naming it where you are, try this out, it's cheap and it's supposed to be identical.)

Now if you're saying that the 100 stuff is different then the 400 stuff, then yes, it's basic look translates acrossfilm speeds, but not as well as say delta 400 and 100. Acros 100 is great film though, can't go wrong.
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Fuji Neopan 100 SS

Yes, there is a Fuji Neopan 100 SS that has been selling for $2 per roll (36 exposures) for the last year or so. I understand that's becuase it has been discontinued by Fuji. I stocked up on it because I think it's great. The latest expiration date I've seen is June 2010 so there must be a lot left. Develops nicely with stock XTOL or D76.
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Old 11-04-2009   #14
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the premium 400 is tri-x so that goes for the 100 FT rolls too? can anyone confirm this? or has anyone else bought and shot the 100ft rolls of the 400 premium.
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Old 11-09-2009   #15
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Arista Premium 100 = Kodak PlusX 100
Arista Premium 400 = Kodak TriX 400
I don't understand - Plus-X is a 125 ISO emulsion... isn't it?
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I didn't know that about Adox 25. Cool. I love that film.
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I don't understand - Plus-X is a 125 ISO emulsion... isn't it?
Strictly speaking, yes. But if you vary the exposure by 1/3 stop the difference in density and end results is negligible. The Arista Premium 100 is definitely Plus-X.

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Old 02-16-2010   #19
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It is my understanding from reliable sources at Freestyle that:

Arista 100 is (wink, wink) made by a "famous manufacturer" which uses green boxes and is Neopan 100.

Arista 400 is Neopan 400.

Freestyle sells an astounding amount of b/w film, and could be said to be keeping film-based photography alive and expanding it with the Holga line. 120 film of all types, in some markets, is selling very well.
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It is my understanding from reliable sources at Freestyle that:

Arista 100 is (wink, wink) made by a "famous manufacturer" which uses green boxes and is Neopan 100.

Arista 400 is Neopan 400.

Freestyle sells an astounding amount of b/w film, and could be said to be keeping film-based photography alive and expanding it with the Holga line. 120 film of all types, in some markets, is selling very well.
Now I'm confused. I thought that it was clarified earlier in the thread that Arista Premium 100 is Plus-X and the 400 is TRI-X.

However, your friend says that it is really Neopan? Is he/she joking?

I was going to take advantage of that deal on Legacy (Neopan?) as it is so cheap. So, does anyone know for sure which is which? ( this is getting quite confusing^^)

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Old 02-24-2010   #22
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Jaans, the first post in this thread says it all.

Arista Premium (Kodak X films) is not Legacy Pro (Fuji Neopans).
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Jaans, the first post in this thread says it all.

Arista Premium (Kodak X films) is not Legacy Pro (Fuji Neopans).
Thanks Bruin for that succint clarification. I am heading back to Australia soon where I found film prices quite exorbitant, so it actually works out cheaper to import packs of this 20 Legacy, even with the shipping costs.

I was paying $8.90 for a box of TRI-X at a large photo store and HP5 can run as high as $15 AUD from the local camera shop in the city or shopping center.

I have always been a TRI-X kind of guy but at these prices it looks like it will tip the scale towards Legacy/Neopan!
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Jaans, the first post in this thread says it all.
Yes!

Massive Development Chart is another good reference for Freestyle "house branded film" - cross-reference the film with the developer.

This has served me well over the years.
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You can cross out Arista EDU Ultra 200 = Fomapan 200 Creative. It's out or production until further notice.
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What about this one?

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Sorry to hear that. I had bookmarked that page a few weeks ago when I came across it while searching the web. But I was suspicious when I could not find the link to this page from their website.
Thanks for checking dough!
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the premium 400 is tri-x so that goes for the 100 FT rolls too? can anyone confirm this? or has anyone else bought and shot the 100ft rolls of the 400 premium.

Yep, it does behave like tri-x. I processed it with a rodinal analog and followed processing times for tri-x, it came out great.
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I've used LegacyPro 400 and 100 in 100ft rolls. You can indeed find "Fuji" stamped on the bulk roll flanks.
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I've used LegacyPro 400 and 100 in 100ft rolls. You can indeed find "Fuji" stamped on the bulk roll flanks.
I have just developed my first rolls of Legacy Pro 400, which I bought in cassettes, not bulk, a couple of months ago. Other than frame numbers top and bottom there is nothing on the film to identify it as Fuji. Only the numbers "400-36" and "271". I am not disputing its origin, just saying that there is nothing to say so. I also have a 100ft roll in the freezer which I haven't started yet.
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Gas chromatography/mass spectroscopy results indicate that Arista Premium 100 and 400 are Kodak Plus-X and Tri-X and that the Legacy Pro 100 and 400 are Fuji Acros and Neopan 400. The LP400 does seem to have a different base from the Fuji product going on look and feel; I only tested the emulsion by GCMS, and the emulsions are definitely identical.

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The real name for Fuji Acros is Fuji Neopan 100 Acros.

Here is the link to fuji's site: http://www.fujifilmusa.com/products/...400/index.html

If you like 100 acros, or 100 neopan (however they've been naming it where you are, try this out, it's cheap and it's supposed to be identical.)

Now if you're saying that the 100 stuff is different then the 400 stuff, then yes, it's basic look translates acrossfilm speeds, but not as well as say delta 400 and 100. Acros 100 is great film though, can't go wrong.
I tried Both Neopan SS100 and Neopan Acros 100. They are not the same film. The Acros emulsion is a superior product. There is also a price difference, the Acros being more expensive in the US market. So which one is Freestyle re-labeling? If you've tested these emulsions and found them to be the same, I would like to know where the film came from (country-market) and how old it is. I must say, I'm confused by all this. There was a note in a thread a while back saying the Freestyle Acros product had a thicker backing than the Fuji branded product.. that would indicate a different film. If you have both, enlarge both and examine the grain closely. And please let us know the results. If it's the real stuff, it's a good deal.
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The Legacy Pro 100 is Acros, not Neopan SS. I've compared them chemically and from developed frames.

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OZ isn't the only place that Tri-X is high. I stopped at a local Wolf Camera Friday to get a roll of Tri-X 36 exp to run through a new-to-me Contax 137 MD and a Yashica 50 1.4 M lens and they wanted $7.27 plus tax! Decided I'd wait until my next Freestyle order and get Arista Premium 400 to test the combo.
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The Legacy Pro 100 is Acros, not Neopan SS. I've compared them chemically and from developed frames.

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Cool! Thanks for doing that analysis.

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OZ isn't the only place that Tri-X is high. I stopped at a local Wolf Camera Friday to get a roll of Tri-X 36 exp to run through a new-to-me Contax 137 MD and a Yashica 50 1.4 M lens and they wanted $7.27 plus tax! Decided I'd wait until my next Freestyle order and get Arista Premium 400 to test the combo.
Hilariously (and awesomely), my local CVS has Tri-X on the shelf. I think it's about $5.50 a roll or something though.
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Arista Premium B&W ISO 400 36 Exp... Freestyle received 52,000 rolls last Friday.
Now that's a pro pack -- almost 2 million exposures of chewy 5063 goodness.
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