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Old 04-28-2009   #41
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More from my Zeiss Ikon Nettar with Novar 75mm f6.3 lens




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Old 04-28-2009   #42
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I don't know about you guys, but don't these images have some type of cool resoultion or depth to them that sets them apart from DSLR cameras. They seem so life-like to me and almost 3D. I am going to be getting some ektar back from walmart that was taken with my Suzuki Press Van Camera. Will post.
I think that is probably due to more precise focusing. Typically, rangefinders do better than SLRs and DSLRs with normal and wide angle lenses when it comes to focusing. Also, the lenses, being of a non-retrofocus design, tend to be a little sharper with normal focal lengths and a LOT sharper with wide angle lenses.

You see, an SLR has got to use retrofocus lenses (lenses that can focus an image past the mirror box); this requires more lens elements and puts them at an immediate disadvantage (more elements = less sharp).

Another reason rangefinders can do better, aside from not having to deal with the extra added elements of a retrofocus lens, have to do with the SLR's fudge factor and magnification. A rangefinder focuses precisely, due to the focusing system being based on triangulation instead of an SLR's "now it looks fuzzy and now it doesn't" focusing system. The thing is, with an SLR, there is a range of focus where the image looks sharp through the viewfinder; unfortunately, this means that just because the image looks sharp through the viewfinder, it doesn't necessarily mean the prints will look sharp (the focus can look sharp and still be a little off). This problem is exacerbated when you put a wide angle lens on an SLR, since the subject looks smaller. It becomes more difficult to focus sharply simply because you can't see it as well. A rangefinder doesn't have this problem.

SLRs and DSLRs only really come into their own when you put telephoto lenses on them. With a telephoto lens, the image is magnified enough that an SLR's "now it looks fuzzy and now it doesn't" system works pretty well. You get a closer look at the subject and can better judge the sharpness of the focus with a telephoto, while a rangefinder's triangulation focusing system requires a broader and broader baseline to be accurate at long ranges. Since there is no way of accomplishing this on a conventional rangefinder, eventually, with enough magnification and distance, an SLR's focusing system begins to work better than a rangefinder's.

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Old 04-28-2009   #43
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Old 04-28-2009   #44
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Here's a couple more from my Iskra





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Old 04-29-2009   #45
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Old 04-29-2009   #46
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Old 04-30-2009   #47
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Wayno, great pics! All three.
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Old 04-30-2009   #48
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Here is a color one from my Agfa Super Isolette:
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Two of the very first shots I ever made with a Nettar (or any classic folder), back in April 2005



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Old 05-01-2009   #55
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Unfortunately I sold the Nettar two years ago. I miss it though, so I'll probably get another one in the near future.
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Here are some pics of my foldersome triplet:

Moskva 5 w/ Industar 24:



Franka Solida II w/ Westar 3,5/ 75:



Hapo 66E w/ 4,5/ 75:



Nice to see you all enjoy these awesome little machines!

Have fun! Cheers to all.

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From my first test roll of my recently acquired Super Baldax with Radionar 80mm f2.9 lens. Neopan 400.
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Old 05-01-2009   #58
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Here are some pics of my foldersome triplet:

Moskva 5 w/ Industar 24:



Franka Solida II w/ Westar 3,5/ 75:



Hapo 66E w/ 4,5/ 75:



Nice to see you all enjoy these awesome little machines!

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Old 05-02-2009   #61
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A much visited scene, which one day I hope to get just right...




The park bench on a 6x6 Kershaw 450 at around max aperture.
Note the swirly OOF areas building.

Nice camera and unexpectedly good for its three element OTAR lens.

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Old 05-02-2009   #62
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Another from the Kershaw 450. A "green lane" looking wet and muddy in the Saddleworth moors area.



Great detail in this scan, cropped out a little of the bland sky.
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Wow. Who needs the new Fuji/CV folder with all of this going on?

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You know, I was thinking the same thing! Looksing at all the amazing photos here, from all sorts of old vintage cameras - why would one need a new 667 folder, that costs so much more, but I wonder if it delivers any better results.

Aswome photos everyone! Keep them coming!
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Old 05-02-2009   #64
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You know, I was thinking the same thing! Looksing at all the amazing photos here, from all sorts of old vintage cameras - why would one need a new 667 folder, that costs so much more, but I wonder if it delivers any better results.

Aswome photos everyone! Keep them coming!
Interesting question. My sense is that the new Fuji/CV folder will produce photos to equal or higher quality to those from the old folders. My Iskra 2 does a beautiful job but the new Fuji/CV folder will be vastly easier to use with a working meter, easier focusing, and a much brighter viewfinder. It will cost 8 times more than my Iskra 2 but ease of use usually means more photos taken and a higher percentage of acceptable shots. A higher percentage of acceptable analog photos means a measurable lower cost per photos. But it would take a lot of acceptable photos to makeup for an 8-fold higher cost of entry.
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Old 05-03-2009   #65
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Old 05-05-2009   #66
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The Solinar on the Super Isolette is probably the best lens ever made by Agfa. I think it is also a class above the Solinars on the ordinary Isolette models.

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Interesting question. My sense is that the new Fuji/CV folder will produce photos to equal or higher quality to those from the old folders. My Iskra 2 does a beautiful job but the new Fuji/CV folder will be vastly easier to use with a working meter, easier focusing, and a much brighter viewfinder. It will cost 8 times more than my Iskra 2 but ease of use usually means more photos taken and a higher percentage of acceptable shots. A higher percentage of acceptable analog photos means a measurable lower cost per photos. But it would take a lot of acceptable photos to makeup for an 8-fold higher cost of entry.
There is a point at which an old camera's "charm" becomes a "chore." Losing the better part of a roll from a light leak in the Iskra because I did not take enough care when putting the back on...or losing 4 frames with my Balda because of the finicky film advance...those things wiegh pretty heavily on the mind when it comes time to decide which cameras to slip in the bag.
Also, many of my shooting opportunities are grab shot when with the family and they are not patient. Therefore I rush and make more errors, or hesitate to take the extra moments to get out the light meter, etc....
I love my old folders, but I'd buy the 667 in a heartbeat if it would not be such a financially irresponsible thing to do.
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I would beg to differ regarding the new Fuji. It all depends on one's idea of a good lens. Judging from the performance of Fuji lenses in their GW6x9 models, one can bet on a very sharp lens with high and contrasty colours.

But there are also those like yours truly who would go for the less contrasty but more shadow details produced by older German lenses. Photographs produced by these lenses may be less sharp, but definitely more creamy, and much less easy to cause eye-fatique when being looked at for a longer time.

I hope I will be able to try the new Fuji soon. And I will reserve my comment after that event. But how I judge len performance would remain the same.
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The Fuji 100/3.5 on my GL690 RF camera is very sharp by any standard. It is the only camera lens that has challenged the Planar lens on my Rolleiflex 2.8D TLR.
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Andrew - I believe the above photo was taken with Scotty's very own Suzuki PressVan folding camera - a very rare bird.
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Yes Solinar it is the Suzuki Press Van camera, Thanks Chippy for posting the picture. I went to my Flickr page, highlighted the link and then pasted it in the message section and you can see that is what it did for me in the reply box above. I don't know why it isn't working for me? I did what Solinar said in the show your folder thread ,but I won't work. Am I supposed to log in first or goto a paticular section on my Flickr Page?

The film that was used was Kodak Ektar 120, had one roll developed at Walmat for only .90.
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The film that was used was Kodak Ektar 120, had one roll developed at Walmat for only .90.
Walmart developes 120 film? I hope the one in my area does!
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Way, I also like your bows!
Thanks! I figure I'd list something a little different as my "equipment". A little something for the violinists!
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Against the sun with my Isolette III with Solinar 4,5/85mm, no lens shade, Fuji Neopan 400/Rodinal.
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Wow. Who needs the new Fuji/CV folder with all of this going on?

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Who indeed? One good thing though, if they ever get it into production, is that there will be a new source for 6x6 bellows.
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Who indeed? One good thing though, if they ever get it into production, is that there will be a new source for 6x6 bellows.
Indeed. But would the new bellows fit the old toys?
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Indeed. But would the new bellows fit the old toys?
They look like they would. Doesn't look freakishly big and can't be smaller. A 6x6 is pretty much a 6x6.
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They look like they would. Doesn't look freakishly big and can't be smaller. A 6x6 is pretty much a 6x6.
Many years ago I bought and sold many folders, some were repaired, some taken apart for parts and some converted to usable cameras with different lenses. I did take an interest in measuring many of their frame sizes. Many 6x6 were in fact 5.6x5.6. The commonly seen range was from 5.2 to 5.6 measuring by opening their backs and measuring the metal frames. I did not measure the actual bellow sizes though. The biggest frame size I came across was a Bessa II which measured 5.6x9.2 and there was really only a thin line between each frame (and one has to make sure when winding the film the frame number is dead centred. Many other Bessa IIs I had only bearly reached 9cm. Many Agfas reached 8.8 only.
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