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Old 08-29-2009   #81
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On the Helical: be sure to scribe some marks BEFORE taking apart! It is easily misthreaded on re-assembly. The scribe marks will let you know when it is on correctly.
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I had a similar problem on the 2nd Wartime LTM Sonnar that i rebuilt. Their was too much play between the parts of the heilcal and the RF Cam was not rock-solid. I made a sleeve that sits inside the solid portion of the lens mount for the helical to keep steady. An "ultimate hack".

http://ziforums.com/showthread.php?t=143

I have better luck with my converted Sonnars using the J-3. The J-3 focus mount is more thought out than the Zeiss lens. Less to go wrong on it.
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There are more of these wartime lenses in LTM around than traditional lore admits to. The 285xxxx+ lenses were assembled in December 1945, often out of sequence. These are not Russian lenses with faked trim rings - they are authentic Zeiss parts and glass elements that were assembled later, with hand-machined pieces used where necessary. Some of these made great images.
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At the risk of diverting a little from the purpose of this thread, and to keep it alive until I shoot some more with my wartime f1.5 and post the results, here are a couple of shots from a 1935 f2 uncoated Sonnar that I have converted to LTM, following Brian's practice of moving the optic unit into a J8 and reshimming. I had to clean the rear element, and chose to replace the Zeiss aperture ring with the Russky one, as there was a yawning gap between it and the focus ring (I'll post a pic of the lens soon).

All shots on Fuji 400HR in my M4 + LTM to M adapter. For an uncoated lens, I think this performs quite well.....
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Shooting everything that doesn't move and has leaves, and using the Jena, my Hexar AF, an SLR and Canon 50/14 FD -and the winner in color rendition is ... the Zeiss.


I was really not expecting that to be the case, but there you are. I'll load some shots if I remember when I get home. It was Brian's conversion to LTM lens that I bought earlier this year -- Aside from the J3 lens barrel being a bit loose at the aperture ring (changing my settings with my fumble fingers), I think this is one of the best lenses I have.
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Brian,

Have you found that the f2.0 lenses tend to have a gap behind the aperture ring when converting with a J8?

Mine had about 3/16" gap - just too ugly to leave
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Well, my 1937 f1.5 has arrived from Italy - good condition overall, including the glass. It has brass construction with brass spacers, uncoated glass and a little oil on the blades. There is definite haze inside, so a full clean and rebuild is called for, as well as conversion to ltm - now where did I put that lens spanner?
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Congrats, John. My CZJ 1.5 is from 1938, I think. Brian did a great job converting it to LTM and optimizing it optically.
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I have completed the Z f1.5 to LTM

Note that the aperture ring needs to be moved back a little - I used a Russky grub screw during the trial fit, and it broke it will have to stay like that until I get through a test roll.

Although this lens has obviously been apart before (lots of little nicks around the securing rings, the internal surfaces of all the glass was covered in a horrible gunge (gassed-out lube?). Also, I couldn't even use the Jupiter stand-off ring, two fairly thin spacers being enough to achieve collimation.

Anyway, it's crystal clear now, and just waiting for the rain to stop!
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Here, for comparison, is my 1943 CZ "T" in LTM

Note the poor finish on the metalwork - I wonder if it went to sea? Also the speckling on the coating, which does not seem to affect results at all. This is one of my favourite LTM lenses at the moment.

I'm trying to decide whether to clean it up, or just leave it as it is....
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John, I just completed the exact same conversion and it works great on my G1. I had to shim the optical body to get infinity focus but other than this had no issues with the conversion. Used a Jupiter black LTM focus mount and moved the corresponding black aperture ring, too. TINY screws!!!
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The conversion looks great! And set screws are in the mail. With a Customs declaration...

I cleaned up my "ugly" 285 Wartime lens. I used Silver Polish, and an ultrasonic cleaner. Some of these lenses saw a rough life. I have one that is THREE lenses away from yours, 2725030. It lead an easy life!
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Finally, for tonight, here is the CZ f2 that I converted to LTM

Note the screws in the aperture ring are not finally fixed yet - I need to get out yet another Russky screw that broke

Although uncoated and only f2, this is a really good performer, my other favourite LTM lens at the moment

No pics of the conversions, as you can find those elsewhere, courtesy of Brian Sweeney, who has been an inspiration and tireless source of invaluable information. Sorry for pestering you so much, Brian
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The conversion looks great! And set screws are in the mail. With a Customs declaration...

I cleaned up my "ugly" 285 Wartime lens. I used Silver Polish, and an ultrasonic cleaner. Some of these lenses saw a rough life. I have one that is THREE lenses away from yours, 2725030. It lead an easy life!
Thanks again, Brian, I couldn't have done it without you.

Now, where can I find a Wollensack to convert, like the one in the classifieds?
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John, I just completed the exact same conversion and it works great on my G1. I had to shim the optical body to get infinity focus but other than this had no issues with the conversion. Used a Jupiter black LTM focus mount and moved the corresponding black aperture ring, too. TINY screws!!!
Dr Leo,

A black conversion is definitely on my list of things to do - probably a f2 to start, as black J8's seem to be more plentiful. If I see a black J3, I will pounce!
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And here's my CZJ f/2 Conversion....
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And here's my CZJ f/2 Conversion....

Lens is mounted in an LTM > M > m4/3 mount adapter series...
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Leo,

That looks great!

Definitely my next project - so many projects, so little cash
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Thanks for the comment.... The cash pool is definitely the rate limiting resource for me, too.
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Thanks again, Brian, I couldn't have done it without you.

Now, where can I find a Wollensack to convert, like the one in the classifieds?
That'll be mine, John. I got mine off ebay, look for a Perfex Deluxe rangefinder. There were Wollensak lenses on them, and the 50/2.8 surfaces from time to time.

Mine still hasn't sold. It's an okay lens, but it could be so much better if I was anything as good as you guys. For instance, the aperture on my lens is quite oily, an earlier example I had was so oily the blades gave in. They are pivoting around REALLY small studs, the lens was a goner when they gave in.

I'd love to have a Wollensak in a decent mount, mine is close focussing a bit as well.

CBOTA (completely back on topic again): My newly-acquired Carl Zeiss Jena 50/1.5 from 1943 will be in the mail shortly, I hope Dutch customs are taking a nap when it checks in...
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...including a Canon 50mm f1.5 in LTM

If only I had some cash......
That Canon 50/1.5 went for less than GBP 200...
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Johan,

Thanks for the info - unfortunately, I am unemployed at the moment, my last two conversions were purchased while I had a job, and completed now I have some time to myself.

I think Brian sometimes takes commissions for conversions, and does an excellent job.

I would have liked that Canon, but even 200 is out of question at the moment, sadly. I might just be able to sweet talk my wife regarding a Perfex at $9.95 though, and I have a Leitz focus mount that might just do the job. If not there is a Canon one kicking around somewhere, from a failed attempt to covert a Zeiss Opton.

Good luck with your wartime lans - I was lucky and found mine in the UK. I believe the same source still has a Russian Built lens with Zeiss glass and beauty ring - too rich for me at the moment though...
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I use a vented Heavystar hood on mine. 40.5mm is correct.
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What is actually the ideal aftermarket hood for this lens? A vented 40.5mm?
I will be using my 1943 CZJ with a B&W UV filter and the classic barn door Summicron hood, which clamps onto the filter-extended barrel very nicely. Have done that with my Jupiter-8 and Jupiter-3 in the past. Can't wait to get the lens handed over from the mailman.

The same lens hood also fits my Horseman 970 lenses, which also are 40.5mm
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Just to Follow up on converting Sonnars from CZ to ltm:-

Using the instructions provided elsewhere by Brian Sweeney, I have converted two Jena 50mm lenses to LTM - a f1.5 and a f2. Both have serial nos. suggesting production in 1937, and are uncoated.

Here are some wide open shots from the f1.5 (Fuji 400) on my MP, all at, or around, minimum focus distance I tried to shim it for 1m out).

I'm pleased with the relative lack of flare on the third, which is backlit by a big window.

This lens was filthy inside and out, but cleaned up quite nicely.

Thanks to Brian's help and encouragement, I have a very useable lens
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And here are a couple from the f2 (Leica III this time)

I think I posted pics of both lenses earlier in this thread.
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My 1943 CZJ is on my flreshly CLA'd black M3 almost permanently these days.
Johan,

You finally got one? What is the glass like?

Mine has "speckles" right across the front coating, but it doesn't seem to affect the results. My front cap is pretty chewed up too
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Most pre-WWII lens caps for the CZJ lenses I've seen have been metal (alloy) painted black in a flat or crackly finish (not sure if it's original or developed over time) w/the CZJ logo embossed. I've also seen some that are black bakelite(?) w/the CZJ logo embossed & others that are black leather w/the CZJ logo painted on in gold, but aren't sure whether those are pre-WWII or not.

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I love the clean lens cap you got there, mine is painted black, over the chrome it seems.
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You finally got one? What is the glass like?

Mine has "speckles" right across the front coating, but it doesn't seem to affect the results. My front cap is pretty chewed up too
John,

mine is fine. It has minute cleaning marks on front coating, and a very faint haze building up inside.

I was in Bulgaria last week and took it along as my only 50 lens, have yet to see results from the 10 rolls of 36 exp. I shot in five days

I shot it with a Japanese Walz UV filter, marked 'for Sonnar'. Probably made for the Walz Envoy 35 at some time, cannot think of another Walz-era camera with a Sonnar lens on it.

The Summicron hood I clamp onto it is a bit too big for an all-time walk-about lens, my students kept shaking their heads whenever I took out the camera... Think I'll look for a more suitable hood, probably the Heavystar 40.5mm vented hood. Thinking of taking sand paper to the outsides of the hood, so the naked metal will match the lens...

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> Probably made for the Walz Envoy 35 at some time, cannot think of
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The Walz Envoy 35 uses 46mm filters. Walz made many filters and accessories for other vendors lenses and cameras.
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Thanks for all that info, Tom! Think I might go for the vented hood as well, a Walz one would be nice, else the Heavystar one will do
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mine is fine. It has minute cleaning marks on front coating, and a very faint haze building up inside.

I was in Bulgaria last week and took it along as my only 50 lens, have yet to see results from the 10 rolls of 36 exp. I shot in five days

I shot it with a Japanese Walz UV filter, marked 'for Sonnar'. Probably made for the Walz Envoy 35 at some time, cannot think of another Walz-era camera with a Sonnar lens on it.

The Summicron hood I clamp onto it is a bit too big for an all-time walk-about lens, my students kept shaking their heads whenever I took out the camera... Think I'll look for a more suitable hood, probably the Heavystar 40.5mm vented hood. Thinking of taking sand paper to the outsides of the hood, so the naked metal will match the lens...

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Great news, Johan - looking forward to your results.

I use a Minolta or Kenro(?) clamp-on hood with mine - not so big as the summicron one, and a good fit. Nice flat black finish, and it doesn't intrude on the VF too much. I'll have to charge the digithing and post a pic of it, I believe it might be 1950's?
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Well, here you have it, on my almost perfect non-original black M3. A 1943 Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 50/1.5, complete with CZJ front cap. 2724xxx serial number.
Thought I'd include some film but the result is nowhere near as nice as Toms shot. Oh well, it'll have to do...
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Well, here you have it, on my almost perfect non-original black M3. A 1943 Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 50/1.5, complete with CZJ front cap. 2724xxx serial number.
Thought I'd include some film but the result is nowhere near as nice as Toms shot. Oh well, it'll have to do...
WHo painted your M3, Johan? It looks better than many repaints I've seen. I presume that's griptac, it suits it, too.

I do miss my old Shintaro-painted M4, but it was too beautiful to use.
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WHo painted your M3, Johan? It looks better than many repaints I've seen. I presume that's griptac, it suits it, too.

I do miss my old Shintaro-painted M4, but it was too beautiful to use.
Paul,

the top plate on my camera is no repaint but an original Leitz spare spart, no serial number engraved. Transport lever and retaining ring came from Leicaparts. Rewind lever, accessory shoe and rear flash socket rings and rewind knob I painted myself. Bottom plate is an MP spare part. Will vsn Manen did his magic with a CLA on it this month and fitted black screws all around on it.

The camera came as a non-working parts camera from Italy two years ago and only cost me EUR 99, so I figured I could throw some cash in to get it cracking again. Although the top plate set me back a kidney to get
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it took me some time to make up my mind between the Sonnar and the Xenon, and every now and then I still long for a Xenon

I'm looking forward to the pin-up shoot out!! (for various reasons, obviously )
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Wow, no need for a Summilux 50 when these 1.5 lenses perform like this!
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It's always fun to look in on this thread. I've got my J8 right now and that will do for the Sonnar signature. I do keep looking for a prewar uncoated 50/2 that I can afford and then get Brian to put into the Jupiter barrel but it's not an urgent thing. I've got 3 good 50's & a IIIf - lots of fun .

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Happy to oblige Tom, I'll write you shortly.

Question: is there a list that shows CZJ 50/1.5 LTM serial numbers with their order numbers and deliveries, like on Leica bodies?
It would be really cool to know when my lens was ordered and delivered, and to whom!?
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Found a hood for the wartime Sonnar
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Found a hood for the wartime Sonnar

Hi guys, I found a matching hood for the Sonnar. I know its not original (which hood is, anyway?) but this matches the lens both in aluminium color and flat black paint.

Sorry for the crappy shot, I'll get a better one up soon:



Gotta say, it blocks the viewfinder quite a bit, but I do not mind that much.
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