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Old 06-19-2009   #41
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My 1953 J-3 uses German Glass. The 1950's J-3's are 1st rate lenses. After that, they varied from lens to lens.


Test of many J-3's, from the best I've owned to one that I ended up using for parts. Even though it was mint.
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Old 06-23-2009   #42
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Harsh light, I'll say!

Terrific shots Tom, the color ones are impressive! And, on the B&W shot, it at least emphasizes all the relevant parts of the model, right?

Seems I'll be forced to hook my 1953 Jupiter lens up to my 1935 Leica III (and get nowhere close to those shots of yours).

I think its terrific there are customers who go for this distinctive look of your work, instead of the modern-glass, beefed-up, DSLR-shot campaigns.

As you can see from my signature, I've put the IIIc up for grabs. Really appreciate the effort you put into getting the camera and lens sorted out and felt this should be said here, out loud!
I've shot it and although I like it a lot, I keep grabbing the M's. It's too nice a camera to have it sitting on a shelf, so it's up for trade/sale.

Really looking forward to seeing more shots from that session, as well as next weeks under controlled lighting!
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These color photos are great Tom,
Self-criticism is a good thing, though I find the black/white image quite appealing, and not just because it features a nude lady

Darn, I need to load up one of my Leicas and get out there and shoot! I've been using mainly SLRs and TLRs these last few weeks, I have to get back to my rangefinders!
My next job will be at the 1934 London Melbourne Race event at the Aviodrome next week here in the Netherlands.

All these wonderful toys you tempt us with. A Sonnar is out of the question for me at the moment, though a Russian copy would be in the realm of possibility.

Johan, a Dutch marked IIIc would make nice addition to the collection, unfortunately I have nothing to barther with...and the holiday money is already planned to be spent on other collectibles (Wartime Signal Corps BD-71 Field Telephone center and a Colt M1911A1 pistol).
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Old 06-27-2009   #44
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> A Sonnar is out of the question for me at the moment, though a Russian copy would be in the realm of possibility.


This is with a 1953 KMZ J-3. It required a CLA, including repositioning the helical in the mount for correct focus.



Wide-Open at F1.5 on the Bessa R2, closest focus.

The early J-3's were the best, in my opinion. The images from a good one are hard to tell from a German Sonnar.

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Someday I'll have to do a Sonnar and J-3 shoot-out. I have a few of each... Five F1.5 Sonnars and three LTM J-3's. And a J-3 for the Contax and one for the Nikon, CZO F1.5 for the Contax and one dedicated to an Amedeo LTM adapter...
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Well, I finally managed to pick one up too

I'm impressed with the results from the lens as it arrived - dirty and in need of a CLA (hopefully Brian will be able to oblige - it's only a few numbers from the one he featured in his rebuild post). Here are a couple of shots from the test roll - my twin granddaughters. Fuji 400 HR at somewhere between f1.5 and f2 using my non-stamped IIIc K.

These two are my new best friends Jasmine and Jessica
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I want an LTM Sonnar now! Anyone know where to find one? Doesn't have to be wartime....Doesn't need to be 100% either.

*sigh* gonna have to get a Russian one I guess... it will be the red-headed stepchild in my collection.....
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Tom,
My congratulations on aquiring your wartime CZ Sonnar in LTM and having Brian Sweeny bring it back to usefulness for you. I look forward to seeing many of the pictures you'll take with it. I have a 50mm f1.4 Nikkor in Leica screwmount which I bought used in1967. Should use it more often.
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The 1950's J-3's have been the best in my experience. I think the switchover occurred a few years earlier. One of the best J-3's that I ever shot with was a '58 with the same logo on it.
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I have a 1956 J-3 with the same Logo. It seems to be sharp.

Here is a crop at f 2.0:

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I have a 1956 J-3 with the same Logo. It seems to be sharp.

Here is a crop at f 2.0:

'It seems to be sharp'

Raid, that is a brilliant shot, and considering its a crop, I'll say that lens is sharp for sure!

Brian, I wasn't aware I might have done that well! I'll be on the door mat for the next couple of weeks expecting the mailman! Hope mine matches up to your experience with that lens.
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What is the serial range of the 1950's, J-3's??
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'It seems to be sharp'

Raid, that is a brilliant shot, and considering its a crop, I'll say that lens is sharp for sure!

Brian, I wasn't aware I might have done that well! I'll be on the door mat for the next couple of weeks expecting the mailman! Hope mine matches up to your experience with that lens.
Yes, I am quite happy with this J-3. It is maybe having German parts, but who knows for sure. I also have a 1953 J-8 which is sharp.
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What is the serial range of the 1950's, J-3's??
Mike,
The first two digits of the serial number give the year of production in the old FSU lenses. Newer FSU lenses may not follow such numbering system.
My lens is 56xxxx ..., so it was made in 1956.

When looking at J3 and J8 lenses on ebay, I always ask the seller for the serial number when the photos of the lens do not clearly show the serial number. The dealers often are surprised why I ask about the number. I think that sometimes they have a "generic" photo that they use for all J-3 or J-8 lenses sold by them.
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Hah! Instant Gratification!

Just bought an J3 with a serial number starting with 57, it comes with a hood, a lens case and a lens caps. Looking forward to see what it can do with my Leicas and my R-D1.

On a different note, I should really stop browsing this forum, it's given me the worst case of GAS
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Old 07-23-2009   #56
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... it comes with a hood, a lens case and a lens caps. ...

First, congrats on the lens! It would be nice to have a shoot out someday, some typical Dutch subjects like cheese or cows

Question: I found an ad for a Jupiter lens on that Dutch sales site (search for 'Jupiter') and it said the original hood was included, which was an aluminium hood, starting like a wide angle hood but then extending straight. Any case your hood is like this?

I'm a bit of a completist and would really like an original hood with my J-3 but have never found an actual original-hood-picture online yet...

If any of these re-enactments you tend to shoot is coming up again, I'd like to join you with my wartime rig, shooting slow film, if I may?
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Hi Johan,

The hood that's supposed to come with my J3 starts as a rectangular wide-angle funnel and ends up round at the front of the lens (see here)

I'll send you a PM with some Events our group or some of us might be going to.
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raid, tell me what you think about this one:

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It is a 1962 lens,and the price is not that great.
It looks very good cosmetically.
I would skip it and wait for a J-3 from 1953-1955.
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Yes, the lens can be converted using a J-3 LTM focus mount. This is a coated lens, and has some hidden set screws. Mine had one with a set screw that was embedded into the mount. Dremel.

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Brian could this be converted to LTM?

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Sweet! after 2 weeks my J-3 arrived at my door. Unfortunately nobody was around to sign for it. So today I picked it up at the post office.

I was rather eager to try it out, so I cheated and put it on my R-D1.







Lovely glow! At last!

Rick,

p.s. Sorry for posting this in entirely the wrong section of the forum ....should this go in the Epson R-D1 section, or the FSU?
p.p.s Johan, the hood that came with it is marked FED, so not original to the lens I would think.
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Old 08-10-2009   #61
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I just got one, too!

Everything checks out down to the correct serial number. Bought it right here on RFF classifieds!

Yeah you were quick with that one. I saw it go up on the classifieds then the next thing I know you had sent a pm for it.
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joining club of happy pre-war Sonnar users, on LTM

last summer I put 6 rolls of HP5+ through Leica II and Sonnar 50/f1.5 on it, on a motorbike tour in some European countries (Canon G9 was main camera, and film camera for experimenting and different "looks"). here's some recent scans, no post process other than resize.




(Peenemunde rocket museum)


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(Leica shop in Fasanen street, Berlin)


(tourist crowds in Prague old town)


(Auschwitz museum)
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Allright, I posted this in another thread today as well, but it fits in here too:


Shot with 1958 Jupiter-3, so presumably a Post-Sonnar Jupiter. Still, the Russians had not yet forgotten how to build them, it seems.

Next time when shooting with a background this distant, I will close up to 2.8. There's too many donuts in the rear for my liking.
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I'll be working with about 10 models too this next weekend....male models in 1940 Army uniforms, ha-ha.

As I will be rather limited to camera-bag-space I've not decided if I want to put the J-3 on my IIIc or my R-D1 for this occasion. I do need to test my IIIc now that it's been cleaned (I'm need to know if the low-shutter-speed-dial light leak is there or not)

Congratulations on acquiring yours, Johan.

And I'm interested to see your indoor photo's, Tom
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AFAIK Carl Zeiss Jena wartime Sonnars in LTM were produced in very small numbers (about a few hundreds to 2,000). Very few of them may have survived the war. Horse sense make it obvious to me that they aren't for sale for 100-200 bucks anywhere, but in particular not from Russian sources.

But what I've seen in ebay and photo forums in the last couple of years, Carl Zeiss Jena must have build 100,000s of them and each S/N in the production batch used at least 50x.

I wonder what's so bad about having a excellent maintenanced Russian lens, which, after all, is exactly the same lens design as the original. Except from the fact (what may be bad for some collectors) that it's cheap.
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Problem is, as Brian said, Russian lens vary so much in focusing accuracy.
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Quality control is definitely a worry when it comes to certain FSU items......I just tried to screw my J-3 on my IIIc and the threads go tight about 2mm before the base of the lens touches the body. I never bothered to check if FSU LTM lenses fit on Leica lenses.... Never had that with any of my other LTM lenses, so I didn't dare force anything any further, so I guess the J-3 will stay on my R-D1 a little longer
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What's all in the US are Russian made Sonnars, because the industry sold them there.

I wait till the moment 2 or more people finding together in the web having a wartime Sonnar lens with the same S/N of that famous wartime LTM Sonnar batch... it will happen sooner or later, even if some people try to avoid it by altering their pictures and hide their S/N (whilest asking others for theirs)

I like Russian J-8 / J-3's as well for their photographing capabilities (when proper maintenance is applied) but I dislike them with Carl Zeiss Jena beauty rings. Someday a true J-3's in LTM cost more because so few are left...

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5cm F2 "T" Sonnar, wartime, converted to LTM using a chrome J-8 mount.





Something about the color rendition. Very much like a Nikkor 5cm F2, maybe warmer and less contrast.

Wide-open on the Canon P.

I have two German made F1.5 Sonnars that started out as LTM and three other F1.5 Sonnars that are NOW LTM, plus two F2 Sonnars that are converted to LTM. The mount is much different from a J-3. I have a 1949 J-3 coming in, and it will be fun to take apart. I'm looking to see where the changes in design popped up.

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zeiss wartime lenses

if you have examined the real thing you can spot the differances after that .
the postwar jena lenses have some obvious differences in appearance . i have had several wartime biogons in contax mount and the postwar variety . you are safer in buying a contax mount lens as a fake is not worth the top money that a leica screwmount one is .haveing said that i am sure fakes exist . in most cases the color of the lens coating is the differance --- most wartime production items had a light lavender coating --- both leitz and zeiss . there were earlier experimental coatings and i have not seen them in my experiance. at the time of production the wartime 50mm zeiss sonnar and 35mm zeiss biogon in t
coated form were the top of the game in the 1940's at this point the lenses that survived a world war are widely dispersed . many have been modified from thier original production form as the aluminum barrels in most cases just wore out . the optics are still high quality , however many have cleaning marks ( some quite bad ) and some haze . the aperature mechanisms were stopgap and not high quality thin brass or coated steel some appear to be synthetic material .
i have had some nice ones , recently i have sold the last and best of my zeiss .at times i am still looking.
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It looks good to my eyes!

These are great lenses, unique. I just cannot justify getting a modern one after liking these so much.
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spectacular shots, Endustry!

That first one is as poppy as any modern lens, while the second one has the Sonnar look.

You've got yourself a winner, still convinced that lens and you belong together!
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That little red flare spot in the lower left hand corner is something that concerns me...
if you look carefully, both of the pics have it. upper one just not so obvious. looks to me a leak of some sort, but if this is MP, its even harder to understand did you change/take off the lens while film was in camera, and, does this happen with all lenses ?
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OK Tom,

I promised some more shots from my wartime Sonnar - here's a couple from last weekend with my grandson. MP with Fuji 200
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....and for comparison, a couple of my granddaughters taken 2 days later - same camera & film, but now with a 1971 J3

The colour cast is due to the overcast conditions and taking the shots under a carport

None of these have been manipulated, other than rotated to vertical. There may be a touch of camera shake on the last shot....

I think these two look like genuine 1970's pics - might be worth converting to B&W for the full effect
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Lovely shots John, I'm sure they'll look the seventies all over when converted to B&W.

I have shot my Jup-3 on the M8 and converted to B&W, I'll post one here (only one Tom )


I have a shoot planned September 5th and will certainly use the Jup-3, this time probably on Fomapan 100 or 200
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Johan,

Great shot - like an ad shot from a copy of Life back in the glory days of B&W
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Forgot this roll in a Canon P, shot this past Spring with the "mint-Glass" wartime Sonnar original LTM. As opposed to my converted lenses.

This lens is sharp.

Stopped down a bit:





Wide-Open at F1.5


Fujicolor 200, in the Canon P. Exposure via Polaroid CDS meter that came with the Model 180.
Took 6 hours to rebuild this lens. The repairshop that did it before me forgot to tighten the inner retaining rings and the optics were loose. It's better now.

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Old 08-29-2009   #80
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Brian,

Those are excellent!

BTW, I screwed up my courage and flood cleaned the blades on mine with good results. Not sure I'm up to tackling the helical though!
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