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Old 09-19-2016   #361
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Old 10-04-2016   #362
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Guys,

I just got myself an Amedeo S to M adapter and a Nikkor 5cm 1.4 S.C. is on my way too. Looking forward to post on this thread (one of my fave on RFF)!

Any recommendation for a vintage lens shade that could be mount on this lens?

I did say vintage as I am not a fun of the "Chinese" style vented hood.

I am not planning to spend 150 euro for an original shade and looking for third party solutions.

Or should I keep the lens "naked"? (this is how I shoot with my summilux 35 pre-asph)

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Old 10-04-2016   #363
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There is a nice dedicated Walz shade, screw-in, from the fifties, beautifully finished in black paint, with the inscription For Nikkor f/1.4, quite common.

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Thanks Erik, I knew about the Waltz hood but forgot about it. I will keep my eyes open.

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Giulio, the Walz hood Erik mentions works fantastic.
These were made in several of the then popular filter threads.

You may also find a modern Yama lens hood - these are not vintage but are vented, modern looking CNC machined shades (black anodized aluminum) with round vent holes - similar in function to the Chinese made shades you find all around but much, much nice in finish.
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Old 10-05-2016   #366
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Thanks Dirk, I will also look for the Yama.
The Nikkor landed on my office desk a couple of hours ago, hope to find the time for some test this weekend.
Will post in here for sure.

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Just curious. In what ways are the Nikkor S.C 50/1.4 and the reissue 50/1.4 similar or different? Do they have the same optical formula?
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Just curious. In what ways are the Nikkor S.C 50/1.4 and the reissue 50/1.4 similar or different? Do they have the same optical formula?
The old one of the 1950s was a Sonnar design, the new lens that was sold on the re-issue S3 is of a Gauss design.

I believe the lens found on the mid 1960s Olympic S3 camera was also of a Gauss design.
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Just curious. In what ways are the Nikkor S.C 50/1.4 and the reissue 50/1.4 similar or different? Do they have the same optical formula?
The Nikkor 5cm F1.4 lens ("cm" because that's how the lens is engraved) is a Sonnar optical formula. This is the lens Nikon released first.

The "Olympic" Nikkor 50mm F1.4 lens ("mm" because that's how the lens is engraved) was released in the early 1960s by Nikon as a replacement for the Sonnar optical formula predecessor. The "Olympic" Nikkor is a Gauss optical formula so is a larger lens than the Sonnar.

The "Millennium" 50mm f1.4 lens (again, "mm" because that's how the lens is engraved) is a reissue of the "Olympic" Nikkor with the same Gauss optical formula but updated with multi coating.
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Hey Jon, do you know of any other technical differences between the historic Olympic 50mm and the reissue lens from 2000 apart from the different coatings?

I take it different glass formulations comes with the times (as of different melt due to changed environmental and health regs) - anything else you may know of?

Was radioactive rare glass used in the vintage Olympic lens?

I am quite curious to learn about these differences.
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Dirk, AFAIK the Olympic Nikkor doesn't contain any radioactive glass. When comparing them side by side, there are clearly some minor external differences between the Olympic Nikkor and Millennium Nikkor, but Nikon has never published the optical formulas of either lens so we can only speculate about the glass. The Olympic Nikkor first appeared sometime in 1962 mounted on some of the first batch of "reissue" Nikon SPs (about 2000 cameras with serial numbers that start with 623xxxx) released around the same time. The F-mount Nikkor-S 50mm F1.4 was released in January 1962, so its a fair guess that the F-mount version and the new S-mount version were designed at the same time and are optically similar. The Olympic Nikkor has a magenta colored coating on the glass, and is not known to get the amber color typically associated with optical glass that contains lanthanum.
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Thanks Jon for the info!
I didn't know it was introduced so late!

Did you ever had the chance to compare a vintage Olympic Nikkor and a reissue Millennium Nikkor side by side and see any imaging differences - anything substantial?

I never have seen any such comparison but have seen quite some comparisons of the Millennium Nikkor and other modern 50mm lenses (I think some of those made by you).

@ Giulio - you definitely should take that Nikkor-S.C on a camera quickly and enjoy - those are truly wonderful lenses - especially the shift in character from very dreamy wide open (the ladies love this) to slightly stopped down is impressive.
A lens at it's time with such capabilities was surely something (close focus, fast and sharp and contrasty already at f2 - it gave the Xenon / Summitar a run for it's money).
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This is with the last version of the "Sonnar" Nikkor-S 50mm f/1.4, no. 414866 at f/2.

Nikon S2, Nikkor-S 50mm f/1.4, Tmax400.

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Did you ever had the chance to compare a vintage Olympic Nikkor and a reissue Millennium Nikkor side by side and see any imaging differences - anything substantial?
I've handled several copies of Olympic Nikkors at stores in Tokyo but have never owned one, so have never had the chance to do a comparison. I know that several members here own both lenses and a comparison of both lenses has been discussed in the past, but we've had no takers yet. I'd be interested to see how they compare too (any takers?).
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Im finally posting on one of my RFF fave thread!

I only had the chance to shoot a test roll, I hope to show you something better soon.

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Giulio, that's a really interesting ramp you've shown here, along with your adorable daughter I assume. Are those steps actually in reverse, like a sawtooth pattern?
Lovely photo too, as usual.
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Nice Giulio, your lens looks like great copy and you surely will enjoy it!

Erik, you mention in your last photo here that the lens is of a later batch.

Did you see any differences between Nikkor 5cm Sonnar lenses between the different ages?
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Thanks Peter.
Indeed reverse steps, I suppose to safely park a car outside the garage.

Dirk,
my copy seems to have very clean glasses and I sent it out for a CLA too.
There was oil on the blades and quite some internal dust.

For what I have seen so far @1.4 is much more usable than my lux 35 infinity lock (less flare and less glow)

This was shot around 2.8 / 2.0

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Erik, you mention in your last photo here that the lens is of a later batch.

Did you see any differences between Nikkor 5cm Sonnar lenses between the different ages?
I only have two of them, 361184 and 414866, both Nikon S mount. I do not see much difference. From about f/2 they are great lenses, at full aperture it is acquired taste. I like full aperture for female portraits. I've heard however, I forgot when and were, that the lens during the production is recalculated for about 12 times.

When you want a dead sharp lens, the f/2 version is better.

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I only have two of them, 361184 and 414866, both Nikon S mount. I do not see much difference. From about f/2 they are great lenses, at full aperture it is acquired taste. I like full aperture for female portraits. I've heard however, I forgot when and were, that the lens during the production is recalculated for about 12 times.

When you want a dead sharp lens, the f/2 version is better.

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Yup, I am not too crazy about its veiling flare when the Nikkor 5cm f1.4 lens is used at f1.4
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I only have two of them, 361184 and 414866, both Nikon S mount. I do not see much difference. From about f/2 they are great lenses, at full aperture it is acquired taste. I like full aperture for female portraits. I've heard however, I forgot when and were, that the lens during the production is recalculated for about 12 times.

When you want a dead sharp lens, the f/2 version is better.

Erik.
Thanks Erik for that info bit - 12 times recompilation sounds indeed like a continuous evolution if only incremental should this indeed have happened.

I have two earlier samples starting around 31 if I remember correctly, one of them marked with Nippon Kogaku Tokyo, the other a later Japan version.

I like them all around and especially like that you have a sharp, nice compact lens from f2 on and a very special soft portrait lens wide open.

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Thanks Peter.
Indeed reverse steps, I suppose to safely park a car outside the garage.

Dirk,
my copy seems to have very clean glasses and I sent it out for a CLA too.
There was oil on the blades and quite some internal dust.

For what I have seen so far @1.4 is much more usable than my lux 35 infinity lock (less flare and less glow)

Giulio
Oil on Nikkor blades with lenses from the era is quite common - must have been something to do with the helicoid grease Nikon used on this generation.
The nice thing about old nikon RF lenses is that they do not tend to haze up and destroy themselves as frequently as certain Canon lenses or Leitz lenses of the time do.

I just got a 8.5 cm Nikon RF lens which looks as clear as crystal to my amazement and none of the other vintage Nikkors I got over the years had any of the bad haze as I have seen on many other lenses (particular Leitz from pre war into the late 50's).

The softness wide open should be about the same as a pre ASPH Summilux 35mm but with a different character.

I actually like this effect with the 5cm Nikkor - an old picture from my "Nippon Kogaku Japan" copy in LTM mount:

portrait - Nikkor-S.C 5cm f1.4 - contrast handling by Dirk Steffen, on Flickr
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Nikon S2, Nikkor-S 50mm f/1.4 #414866, Tmax400. Full aperture.

This is the typical effect of the Nikkor at full aperture.

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Seeing this thread pop up reminded me I have one of these and don't use it enough. LTM mount.

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Giulio--great photos. How do you like the Amedeo adapter from a functional standpoint? I'd be curious to see the setup.

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Giulio, the last three are really beautiful! I like the first the best "You cannot see me …" ;-)
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Lots of nice results here. A reminder that "newer, sharper, less CA, less vignetting", etc is only tangentially related, if at all, to "makes a better photograph" .

I respect Lloyd Chambers for the yoeman's work he does detailing the optical qualities of the latest lenses, but when was the last time you saw a photo on his site that approached the quality, as a photograph, of some of the ones posted in this thread? That's right, never.
"Better", newer glass is no substitute for vision and craft.
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Lots of nice results here. A reminder that "newer, sharper, less CA, less vignetting", etc is only tangentially related, if at all, to "makes a better photograph" .

I respect Lloyd Chambers for the yoeman's work he does detailing the optical qualities of the latest lenses, but when was the last time you saw a photo on his site that approached the quality, as a photograph, of some of the ones posted in this thread? That's right, never.
"Better", newer glass is no substitute for vision and craft.
Thanks to all those who have posted here.
I had never heard of this lens when I bought it and a Canon 35mm/2.8 and VI-T body back in the 1970's. I was the second owner at the time. The VI-T and 35mm lens are gone. I've added the Nikkor 8.5cm/2.0 to the 50/1.4. Two small brass and chrome pieces of photography history.
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