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My inherited IIIf came with the ABLON template, which I used to think was used just for cutting leaders on bulk film. In the meantime (for 30 years or more) I loaded the camera with standard short-leader film without removing the lens and using business cards, etc. I never had any trouble. The ABLON came with a neat little notched knife that's run along the edge of the template -- no snags and eliminates the need for a cutting board.
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Old 08-15-2008   #82
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My inherited IIIf came with the ABLON template, which I used to think was used just for cutting leaders on bulk film. In the meantime (for 30 years or more) I loaded the camera with standard short-leader film without removing the lens and using business cards, etc. I never had any trouble. The ABLON came with a neat little notched knife that's run along the edge of the template -- no snags and eliminates the need for a cutting board.

I bought two ABLON type leader cutting templates made in Taiwan from the USA for my bottom loader, then sold the camera. They work great and are "idiot-proof", but loading a was a real pain in the......so me and my sweet Leotax had to part ways. They are both new, very nicely made of steel and have a satin chrome finish. I'll take $35.00 for each shipped free to anywhere in the world from Korea.

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Old 08-16-2008   #83
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Hi Bill, I'm very much looking forward to your sweet Leotax, and I'm glad other forum members weren't interested. Thank you.
When I graduated to 35mm way back in '61 memory tells me all the films available then were finished with long leaders for bottom loading cameras,and I remember my father could load them easily into his IIIa(bought new in 1936).
I carry a little pair of nail scissors and my index finger is 4cm from knuckle to tip,so I just pull the film out to that length and recut the leader.I tried using an ABLON but found the blade snagged on the curved edge.
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I carry a little pair of nail scissors and my index finger is 4cm from knuckle to tip,so I just pull the film out to that length and recut the leader.I tried using an ABLON but found the blade snagged on the curved edge.
Thanks for the tip, Charles ! Ming
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I use both a black dial IIIf and a IIIc converted to a IIIf and the following procedure works perfectly. I snip the leader off completely, stick the flat edge of the film under the spring on the take up spool, making sure the film lies evenly top to bottom on the spool, pull out enough film to make loading the cassette and the take up spool into the camera painless, tighten the tension on the cassette, put on the bottom and away I go. Works every time.
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A leitz Ablon is the only way to go. Good light is also crucial in order to see the sprockets and film engage.
I am heartened by all those who say that it soon becomes second nature.
Satisfying though!
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A leitz Ablon is the only way to go. Good light is also crucial in order to see the sprockets and film engage.
I am heartened by all those who say that it soon becomes second nature.
Satisfying though!
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Eh, it's not necessary , a good pair of nail scissors, or trim several rolls before leaving the house and have them at the ready to load and go. This has become second nature and I'm faster loading a bottom loader than a hinged back camera.
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For IIIf (or other Barnacks) I do what -doomed- said. I've got several precut rolls of Tri-X with the cap marked "B" for Barnack.

Never missed the film loading with either IIIf's or Ms. I think it's more fool proof than regular back door loading.
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The Ablon is the way to go. Once the film is inserted and tweaked with the rewind knob to engage you are home and dry. It does take practice but as several members have said it really isn't that difficult. I have put 6 films through my 1928 1A and each time it has been easier-so much so that I am now ready to take pre-cut film with me and load whilst out and about. The first 6 attempts were a real study in concentration under a bright light!
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Old 05-06-2010   #90
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I used the leader trimming method twice, with success, when I first got my iiif. Then I was stuck without trimmed film or anything to cut it with.

I put the removed the lens, set shutter to T and wiggled the film in. Easy and no leader loss.

I think that having trimmed film in the bag is a better idea however.
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Old 05-06-2010   #91
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the leader needs to be cut very far from close to the leica template. Good enough is good enoug (zorki 5)
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Old 05-06-2010   #92
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To cut a film to fit a bottom loader is not rocket science. No need for a template just cut it close to what you have read on the internet. you will feel it if you have not cut it enough, the film will not fit...... if yes cut it a little more.
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Hi Mark, I too use the ABLON....essential!
Last weekend i managed to load some pre-cut film wh
ilst out and about; a far cry from struggling for ages to load my 1A when i first had it!
I love the sentiment about keeping these Barnacks alive!
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Old 05-21-2010   #94
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i count 22 sprocket holes... steady hand with a tiny pair of folding scissors... trim... i like making a nice rounded tail... memories of elementary school construction paper projects... load... rewind a bit to take up the slack and have the holes fall onto the sprockets... it's all easier than the wordy descriptions make it out to be.
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Hasn't anyone read Stephen's bottom loading instructions
on the CameraQuest site? Simple does work... y'know?
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I must admit, I've never checked engagement of the sprocket teeth. It Just Works.

I have used the alternative method of NOT trimming the leader but first slipping piece of thin card into the film gate to guide the film over the rails. This takes about the same amount of time and you might get a couple more exposures out of a roll.
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Aren't most purchased film in the canister already cut for the lead-in?

There's one thing that helped make loading film go smoothly. It was stated in the original manual: Before loading, engage and wind up, press the shutter, then wind up again, and this time, DON'T press the shutter. From here when you load the film things will be in the right position. The take up spool and the film roll should and will set into their respective places at the same time.
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Aren't most purchased film in the canister already cut for the lead-in?
Obviously they are, but the lead part isn't long enough. The idea is that the cutout in the longer leader misses the sprocket teeth and the film easily falls into place, and when wound on the teeth then engage with the film.

I find the Cameraquest solution with modern film the easiest and safest in practice even though it does at first seem more long winded than other methods.

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iiif arriving early next week ...
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The thread is pretty old, 2005. This instruction is all you need. I have a template that came with my Zorki that makes it easy.

http://jay.fedka.com/index_files/Page345.htm
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I live in Italy. Here, a very expert repairman showed me the perfect way to load my Zorki I (or for all the bottom loading Leica).
You have to insert the film, then set the shutter lever like as you just closed the bottom. Unscrew the lens. Set the time B and open the curtains. Through the curtains, you will see the film. Eventually adjusst the film vertically with your finger. Mark the frame with an "x", with a soft point marker keeping pressed the button, then release.
Advance one frame. If there is no more the sign, the film has been loaded correctly, and you wasted only two frame.
It is really a perfect way to load, and a precious ssuggestion. I was almost throwing my Zorki because I lost a couple of rolls that I loaded in a wrong way before those instruction.
To cut the film is no more necessary according to him. He told me that it was necessary (for some reason) only with the old film, that was really tiny.
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I, personally, think it is much easyer & safer to just cut the film in the right way at home where I can take my time. It only take between 30 and 60 s and it saves me the hassle in the field.
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I, personally, think it is much easyer & safer to just cut the film in the right way at home where I can take my time. It only take between 30 and 60 s and it saves me the hassle in the field.
you can't beat that argument! I always do that with my IIf.
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Here's how I do it.

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My after market template .a hinged metal thing cost only a few bucks, it's easy to use, also giving me a chance to indulge in my hobby even on a rainy day. Having an ample supply of prepared film helps a lot. After loading up the film,as per the instructions, (that used to be hard ) I'm ready to shoot some pictures. Having performed the easy part, I now go forth to find that iconic shot that will last , amaze,and confound those that view it in the ages to come! Yup. .. ... the really hard part.
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Something I learned the hard way: Don't pull out way too much leader before (or while) trimming the film. Or, if you do, be sure you advance the film enough times to get past the exposed portion once its loaded.

Loading for me was easy. I was SO confident in it, that once I saw the film on the sprocket and the rewind knob turning, I put the bottom on the camera and advanced it just one more frame before resetting the re-film counter. That wasn't enough! I lost frames 1-3 because I'd pulled out that much leader to get a better handle on it when I trimmed it.

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Hi folks!
I've got a Leica II. I roll my own from bulk. I use a locking
cable release, remove the lens. Film is cut at 90 degrees.
I can make sure it is OK.
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Nice tutorial! Here's a YouTube presentation by Dan Tamarkin; also useful!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaBhFj0Rc2I
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I count 20 holes then scissor it properly. Never had problems.
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