Kodachrome coming back next?
Old 01-09-2017   #1
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Kodachrome coming back next?

If you believe this PetaPixel article, Kodak "is investigating what it takes to being back Kodachrome."

https://petapixel.com/2017/01/09/kod...ck-kodachrome/

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Yeah, I posted this link in the Ektachrome thread as well. I hope this isn't just lip service from Kodak. I don't know if they'll come back with Kodachrome with its original developing methods but I'd like to see them come back with a slide stock with the same color properties though. Whether they do or don't though, I'm happy that they are just releasing old stocks in general. This is great for the film community.
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I don't believe it'll make a return unless they manage to reformulate the processing chemicals. Too many steps, and some of the chemicals have been banned by the EPA in the US.
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Old 01-09-2017   #6
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Well... some of us can only hope, but seriously folks, you know this would be a very expensive proposition, both for the mfg. and the consumer. Unless they could create much simpler process for the same result.
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I don't believe it'll make a return unless they manage to reformulate the processing chemicals. Too many steps, and some of the chemicals have been banned by the EPA in the US.
Yeah, agree. Kodachrome was harder to process than Ektachrome to begin with. Unless they reformulate (meaning it wont be the same) I dont see it as a realistic option. Lets remember that Kodachrome was a mainstream product (albeit for professional/serious amateur users product) and right now, although it has grown lately, films is and will be a niche market.

Ektachrome, on the other hand, can be easily processed at home.
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Old 01-09-2017   #9
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It will be released by the following time-schedule, I have this from proper sources

+15C / 59F

This is as warm as it gets in Norway, so we'll start here.
People in Spain wear winter-coats and gloves.
The Norwegians are out in the sun, getting a tan.

+10C / 50F

The French are trying in vain to start their central heating.
The Norwegians plant flowers in their gardens.

+5C / 41F

Italian cars won't start.
The Norwegians are cruising in cabriolets.

0C / 32F

Distilled water freezes.
The water in the Oslo Fjord gets a little thicker.

-5C / 23F

People in California almost freeze to death.
The Norwegians have their final barbecue before winter.

-10C / 14F

The Brits start the heat in their houses.
The Norwegians start using long sleeves.

-20C / -4F
The Aussies flee from Mallorca.
The Norwegians end their Midsummer celebrations.
Autumn is here!

-30C / -22F

People in Greece die from the cold and disappear from the face of the earth.
The Norwegians start drying their laundry indoors.

-40C / -40F

Paris start cracking in the cold.
The Norwegians stand in line at the hotdog stands.

-50C / -58F

Polar bears start evacuating the North Pole.
The Norwegian army postpones their winter survival training awaiting real winter weather.

-70C / -94F

The false Santa moves south.
The Norwegian army goes out on winter survival training.

-183C / -297.4F

Microbes in food don't survive.
The Norwegian cows complain that the farmers' hands are cold.

-273C / -459.4F

ALL atom-based movement halts.
The Norwegians start saying "Faen, it's cold outside today."

-300C / -508F
Hell freezes over and Kodak re-release Kodachrome!



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Hey, if the process could be modernized maybe it could be done although it is more than likely that old kodachrome would still be unprocessable if they came out with a new kodachrome
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Old 01-09-2017   #11
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It will be released by the following time-schedule, I have this from proper sources

+15C / 59F

This is as warm as it gets in Norway, so we'll start here.
People in Spain wear winter-coats and gloves.
The Norwegians are out in the sun, getting a tan.

+10C / 50F

The French are trying in vain to start their central heating.
The Norwegians plant flowers in their gardens.

+5C / 41F

Italian cars won't start.
The Norwegians are cruising in cabriolets.

0C / 32F

Distilled water freezes.
The water in the Oslo Fjord gets a little thicker.

-5C / 23F

People in California almost freeze to death.
The Norwegians have their final barbecue before winter.

-10C / 14F

The Brits start the heat in their houses.
The Norwegians start using long sleeves.

-20C / -4F
The Aussies flee from Mallorca.
The Norwegians end their Midsummer celebrations.
Autumn is here!

-30C / -22F

People in Greece die from the cold and disappear from the face of the earth.
The Norwegians start drying their laundry indoors.

-40C / -40F

Paris start cracking in the cold.
The Norwegians stand in line at the hotdog stands.

-50C / -58F

Polar bears start evacuating the North Pole.
The Norwegian army postpones their winter survival training awaiting real winter weather.

-70C / -94F

The false Santa moves south.
The Norwegian army goes out on winter survival training.

-183C / -297.4F

Microbes in food don't survive.
The Norwegian cows complain that the farmers' hands are cold.

-273C / -459.4F

ALL atom-based movement halts.
The Norwegians start saying "Faen, it's cold outside today."

-300C / -508F
Hell freezes over and Kodak re-release Kodachrome!



Asolutely brilliant and completely true, apart from the bit about Italian cars which should have been placed in its own category around +22C.
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Old 01-09-2017   #12
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Kodak can always repackage Ektachrome and call it Kodachrome.

And with that pre-paid processing envelope no one will catch on for a while.
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Old 01-09-2017   #13
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It will be released by the following time-schedule, I have this from proper sources

+15C / 59F

This is as warm as it gets in Norway, so we'll start here.
People in Spain wear winter-coats and gloves.
The Norwegians are out in the sun, getting a tan.

+10C / 50F

The French are trying in vain to start their central heating.
The Norwegians plant flowers in their gardens.

+5C / 41F

Italian cars won't start.
The Norwegians are cruising in cabriolets.

0C / 32F

Distilled water freezes.
The water in the Oslo Fjord gets a little thicker.

-5C / 23F

People in California almost freeze to death.
The Norwegians have their final barbecue before winter.

-10C / 14F

The Brits start the heat in their houses.
The Norwegians start using long sleeves.

-20C / -4F
The Aussies flee from Mallorca.
The Norwegians end their Midsummer celebrations.
Autumn is here!

-30C / -22F

People in Greece die from the cold and disappear from the face of the earth.
The Norwegians start drying their laundry indoors.

-40C / -40F

Paris start cracking in the cold.
The Norwegians stand in line at the hotdog stands.

-50C / -58F

Polar bears start evacuating the North Pole.
The Norwegian army postpones their winter survival training awaiting real winter weather.

-70C / -94F

The false Santa moves south.
The Norwegian army goes out on winter survival training.

-183C / -297.4F

Microbes in food don't survive.
The Norwegian cows complain that the farmers' hands are cold.

-273C / -459.4F

ALL atom-based movement halts.
The Norwegians start saying "Faen, it's cold outside today."

-300C / -508F
Hell freezes over and Kodak re-release Kodachrome!



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I don't believe it'll make a return unless they manage to reformulate the processing chemicals. Too many steps, and some of the chemicals have been banned by the EPA in the US.
Well considering the EPA will soon be gutted, maybe they really can bring Kodachrome back. After all all those banned chemicals will be back in play .
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Since we are speculating I wish they would reserach bringing back Kodak HIE. I have a IR converted digital camera. But nothing beats old HIE.
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just CHROME, digital. Hey, are you crazy?
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If I recall, Dwaynes Photolab, last one capable of developing Kodachrome, said goodbye to be able develop this film in future. But if it becomes available again hmm...

...well then Steve McCurry didn't shoot the last roll of it, after all
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It’s worth listening to the podcast. Go to the 23’ 30” mark to hear the discussion on Kodachrome and Ektachrome. The guy they’re interviewing works for Kodak.

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Well it can be done, if they release home dev-kits, like Tetenal. The old infrastructure must be long gone by now.
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I'd trade the return of Kodachrome for the return of David Bowie, Prince and Leonard Cohen.
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Since we are speculating I wish they would reserach bringing back Kodak HIE. I have a IR converted digital camera. But nothing beats old HIE.
Man, now we're talking!! ....although I certainly wouldn't mind seeing Kodachrome back, either.

I'd be very interested to see how they'd accomplish it if they were to do it. I suspect brennanphotoguy might be on the right track; it seems more likely they'd release an E6 slide stock with similar color properties to the original Kodachrome before they'd jump through the hoops of trying to revamp the old chemical process, with all it's EPA issues. That would be fine with me if they can really nail it.
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Oh talk about a wet dream. I still have a couple of rolls in the freezer.

Had to pull up Paul Simon and do a little dance.

I can only hope.
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I'd trade the return of Kodachrome for the return of David Bowie, Prince and Leonard Cohen.
I'd trade the return of those three for the return of Kodachrome in a heartbeat, and I never particularly liked Kodachrome.
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3 leathery old white guys for Kodachrome??
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I'd trade the return of Kodachrome for your three and raise you one, Obama.
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If they pull this off, then I think we will see many new film cameras being made.
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It's 2017. We've been to Mars. We can't come up with an efficiently-processed slide film with the color properties of Kodachrome? Is film the only thing to not have significantly evolved in 50 years? George Louis might say Film and toilet paper.....

Anyone try applying the alien skin exposure Kodachrome preset to scans of other slide films? Close enough?
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Kodak can always repackage Ektachrome and call it Kodachrome.

And with that pre-paid processing envelope no one will catch on for a while.
I'd catch on as soon as I tried to scan the chromes with my film scanner and digital ICE worked (it doesn't work with B&W film or Kodachrome).

I would have serious doubts that Kodak could ever bring back the real Kodachrome. Now naming some other formula of color slide film Kodachrome, that I wouldn't put past them.
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I just had to open the freezer for a peek...


There is more in there but wanted to fuel the good mindset I'm feeling at this time. I know it won't last.
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There is more in there but wanted to fuel the good mindset I'm feeling at this time. I know it won't last.

:P Question is... where you going to get it developed?
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Uffda. Crazy Norwegians.
In a Kodakchrome thread.
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If Kodak want to begin making it again, and do so, they will organise the development side of things. Do some of you want to give them a chance, to see if it can happen before pooh-poohing it? After all, you'll either shoot it, or you won't. If you'll shoot it, and it happens, it's good news. If you won't, then: whether it does, or doesn't re-appear. . .what difference will it make to you? None. So why talk it down?

Go shoot some negative. This is positive news, not negative, no matter what sort of spin you put on it.
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Ah yes, I'd forgotten that Prince was a leathery, old white guy.
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This is 21 century, isn't Kodak or businesses have more advanced tools to improve Chemistry? Where's nanotechnology?
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And with that pre-paid processing envelope no one will catch on for a while.
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If Kodak want to begin making it again, and do so, they will organise the development side of things. Do some of you want to give them a chance, to see if it can happen before pooh-poohing it? After all, you'll either shoot it, or you won't. If you'll shoot it, and it happens, it's good news. If you won't, then: whether it does, or doesn't re-appear. . .what difference will it make to you? None. So why talk it down?

Go shoot some negative. This is positive news, not negative, no matter what sort of spin you put on it.
Because I'm tired of old farts talking about Kodachrome.

"Do you remember the Model T Ford? That was a REAL car. Too bad Ford stopped making those. Nothing drove like a Model T Ford. Only real drivers appreciated the Model T ford. So Ford introduced new models for 2017? They should bring back the Model T! The Model T is was what everybody really wants to drive! No other car can compare to a Model T. Too bad the government outlawed the chemicals used in making Model T Fords. Too much regulation in the auto industry. Why can't Ford just make the car everybody wants? The Model T Ford!"

It's not the company or the product, it's that ever since Kodak discontinued Kodachrome, because nobody was buying the stuff, there has been a group of people who won't stop talking about how it was the greatest thing on earth, and how Kodak needs to bring it back, even though nobody was buying the stuff.

I miss Plus-X too, but eventually I shut up about it being dead. It's dead. Get over it and move on. And even then, bringing back plus-X would still make far more sense than bringing back Kodachrome, which was essentially dead in the water years before they finally axed it.

Now could they make an E-6 film that mimics Kodachrome and call it Kodachrome? Possibly. But then I'm sure we'd hear old farts complaining about that too.
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Because I'm tired of old farts talking about Kodachrome.

"Do you remember the Model T Ford? That was a REAL car. Too bad Ford stopped making those. Nothing drove like a Model T Ford. Only real drivers appreciated the Model T ford. So Ford introduced new models for 2017? They should bring back the Model T! The Model T is was what everybody really wants to drive! No other car can compare to a Model T. Too bad the government outlawed the chemicals used in making Model T Fords. Too much regulation in the auto industry. Why can't Ford just make the car everybody wants? The Model T Ford!"

It's not the company or the product, it's that ever since Kodak discontinued Kodachrome, because nobody was buying the stuff, there has been a group of people who won't stop talking about how it was the greatest thing on earth, and how Kodak needs to bring it back, even though nobody was buying the stuff.

I miss Plus-X too, but eventually I shut up about it being dead. It's dead. Get over it and move on. And even then, bringing back plus-X would still make far more sense than bringing back Kodachrome, which was essentially dead in the water years before they finally axed it.

Now could they make an E-6 film that mimics Kodachrome and call it Kodachrome? Possibly. But then I'm sure we'd hear old farts complaining about that too.
The reason we're talking about Kodachrome in this thread is because Kodak is actually exploring the possibility of bringing it back, in some form, into production.

The Model T Ford went out of production 90 years ago. For some years after that time, people missed the car and wished that it was still being offered. Ninety years later, that is no longer the case and no one here is proposing that Kodachrome will be a viable product 90 years after its demise in 2012.

The fact that Kodak is exploring the possibility of reintroducing the product strongly suggests that they have good data to indicate that there is a market for it. It may not ultimately prove feasible, but the fact that Kodak is considering it is certainly worthy of enthusiasm and discussion on a photography forum.

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There is more in there but wanted to fuel the good mindset I'm feeling at this time. I know it won't last.
You can see how it compares to Double-X!
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I saw a detailed description for the Kodachrome process somewhere not too long ago. It did not strike me as any big deal for a good wet chemist to replicate - I never understood what all the hullabaloo was about with Kodachrome processing. This is 1935 technology folks.
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