Not expensive, small and random bw at home?
Old 01-02-2017   #1
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Not expensive, small and random bw at home?

Piezography and Pro, 17 inches !

Is here any small, not expensive printer, 8x10 maximin, for bw prints, with refillable ink and not drying up, clogging jets if not in use for one month?
Or maybe laser printers? Or thermal?
I like bw from M-E and after processing, but don't want to spend one thousand to have bw from it printed at home. Walmart, Cosco bw is meh, local camera shop does it great for large prints, but it is too expensive for small sizes.
Every time I'm trying to search on Internet it leads me to black ink cartridges for 250$. Is here any less expensive options in 2017?
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Old 01-02-2017   #2
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Why not the Canon Pixma Pro-100?
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Why not the Canon Pixma Pro-100?

On sale at Vistek right now.

https://www.vistek.ca/store/Printers...-1oBoCvlXw_wcB
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Some time ago I was thinking about giving this set a try https://www.inksupply.com/eb6.cfm, anyone has any exerience?
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Some time ago I was thinking about giving this set a try https://www.inksupply.com/eb6.cfm, anyone has any exerience?
Sure, been using it for maybe 7 years with an Epson 1400.

First, for the OP, the Epson 1430 is $2-300, and the full inkset and cartridges to get going for the EB6 is another $200 plus. For occasional one-off prints it's ovekill, and the printer basically needs to be devoted to B&W.

Anyway, the EB6 ink gives a 'warm' tone print. Some people like this, some hate it. Think of Agfa Portriga Rapid or such. I use the stock driver system, not the QuadTone system with custom curves and ink levels, etc. Working from either scanned negatives or digital files (converted with Silver Efex Pro 2) I find it works great for my purposes. I've used it to print full shows. I use Red River Polar Matte paper (it needs matte paper). Once you get going with the EB6 stuff it's relatively cheap, and Red River paper is cheap. So I can do a 4' x 4' tiled poster for maybe $15 total-



MIS/ink supply gives links to Paul Roark's site where he lays out how to work with this set and with other MIS sets.

So- setup takes an investment. 'Out of the box' using the simple settings with the Epson print driver gives nice results. Warm tone, no options while remaining in the full carbon setup (adding other inks can change tones)
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Some time ago I was thinking about giving this set a try https://www.inksupply.com/eb6.cfm, anyone has any exerience?
I used Eboni and other MIS Associates inksets for bout 6-7 years. They worked excellent even though digital B&W was a bit complex back then. MIS Associates customer service as absolutely top notch, a real standout in today's world. Not just with orders but also with extended telephone technical support when needed

However, Bob Zeiss who owned MIS sold the company and retired to FL. Customer service went from the very best to the very worst. After two orders, requiring five telephone calls to get shipped, and problems with my credit card being charged for back orders, I swore I would never do business with them again.

However, Epson printers with the ABW mode which began with the 2400 model about 9 years ago have delivered good b&w prints right out of the box. My 2400 never had an ink clog or print problem for the 8 years I had it. Finally the paper feed began to wear out after thousands of prints and I have the current P600 replacement model. It works the same.

If all you want is 8x10 prints, check out the Epson P400 which costs about the same as a complete MIS b&w inkset but also does great color.
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Ditto -- or any other good lab. I gave up printing at home long ago. The ink cartridges for my Epson were bankrupting me. But to each his own.
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For general printing tasks and for producing quite decent prints on gloss RC-type paper up to A4 (or letter) in size I've been reasonably pleased with my Canon MG7160 dye-based printer (model number varies by how they region-encode their d**ned ink cartridges). I can even get decent-enough gloss B&W prints with this one (probably because it has a grey ink) if I use Canon Pro Platinum paper (not so much with other paper).

For larger (to A3+) prints or printing on matte or semi-gloss papers my Canon 9500 has done great work for me (and I can still order in cartridges from overseas so I don't have to pay the "Australia tax" on them). If I had to replace the 9500 I'd go with an equivalent but more up-to-date Canon model simply because I've had such great success with mine (while noting most others seem to prefer Epson printers). One advantage of the Canon pigment inks (for the 9500) seems to be that I have very few problems with clogging unless I leave it for a very long time (say, when I've been away from home for 6+ months) and even then it de-clogs nicely without any great drama. I hear otherwise about Epson gear which has always caused me trepidation given my stop-start usage patterns (mostly because I've frequently needed to be away for longish periods due to work). The only thing that would stop me would be if Canon region-coded their pigment inks as well. I'm not sure what I'd do about it - but I'd sure do something, if only because I couldn't afford not to.

I will note that I've had 3 A4-size Canon dye-based printers - they seem to last 3-4 years and then cark it with various symptoms, mostly related to power circuits - they don't seem built to last. I was quite p'd off when the last one died as Canon has moved to region-encoded cartridges. That means I have to buy locally, so pay the extra uplift all companies charge here in Oz, just because they can (see Apple, Adobe, etc. etc.). I don't like it, but there doesn't seem to be much I can usefully do about it. I used to order ink cartridges in bulk from the US, which I'm sure is why printers and inks are now region-encoded.

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Here is 100 CAD printer. Up to 8x10 borderless prints.
https://epson.ca/For-Home/Printers/I.../p/C11C617121F

And here is 17 USD bw cartridge for it:
https://www.inksupply.com/utez.cfm

It cost just what I call not expensive, not a Pixma for 400+ CAD.
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Here is 100 CAD printer. Up to 8x10 borderless prints.
https://epson.ca/For-Home/Printers/I.../p/C11C617121F

And here is 17 USD bw cartridge for it:
https://www.inksupply.com/utez.cfm

It cost just what I call not expensive, not a Pixma for 400+ CAD.
Well, I was really mentioning that MG7160 as the smaller, less expensive option which, IMO, produces decent B&W prints. (The equivalent North America model is the MG7120, I understand.) I'm not sure if they still make them, as consumer-grade printers like this seem to come and go at a dizzy pace. But I paid AUD$120 for mine in south-pacific pesos so I can't imagine they'd cost even CAD$100 if they're still available.

I only mentioned my larger, discontinued, Canon pigment printer because I'd noted that the consumer dye printer worked only with a restricted range of paper. I wasn't recommending you buy one if for no other reason that you probably can't.

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You can always get a factory refurbished model, Ko. I saved a bunch on my Epson 1400 that way.

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Ordered one Epson C88+ and 100 of Epson matte heavy-weight 8.5x11 paper. From Epson Canada. With all of the taxes-shmakses and free shipping - 179 CAD, which is something like 140 USD.
Ordered one EZ-T0441-K cartridge from inksupply. 23 USD with shipping included.

And here is one supplier of CISS for C88+ in Toronto, 60 CAD.

Reviews are promising on this printer.
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Piezography and Pro, 17 inches !

Is here any small, not expensive printer, 8x10 maximin, for bw prints, with refillable ink and not drying up, clogging jets if not in use for one month?
Or maybe laser printers? Or thermal?
I like bw from M-E and after processing, but don't want to spend one thousand to have bw from it printed at home. Walmart, Cosco bw is meh, local camera shop does it great for large prints, but it is too expensive for small sizes.
Every time I'm trying to search on Internet it leads me to black ink cartridges for 250$. Is here any less expensive options in 2017?
I use Canon Pixma Pro-10 with 10-color LUCIA pigment ink.
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Printed two photos from Epson C88+ with original DuraBrite pigment inks in grey only mode on 8.5x11 Matte Epson Premium Presentation Paper . ISO400 film grain on negative scan doesn't looks special, I would prefer darkroom print or to use TMAX 100 for prints like these. ISO 400 image from M-E is looking great.
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