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I hope it makes the fat models a lot cheaper...
What message are we sending our children when the old and the fat are depreciated in favor of the young and slim?
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What message are we sending our children when the old and the fat are depreciated in favor of the young and slim?
It's the middle aged and healthy vs. the young and skinny.

Lately I had an M6 again in my hands and found the M240 to be just perfect in size.
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Old 11-14-2016   #43
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What message are we sending our children when the old and the fat are depreciated in favor of the young and slim?
The same message "we" have always sent!
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Leica M240 aka Leica M10, M-P, M60

Its great to see Leica following RFF's lead and finally getting back to naming their M cameras properly LOL

More seriously it is very encouraging to see Leica finally bringing out what could be an M240 update.

I look forward to seeing the updates and improvements.

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Not sure if it is related to the M10 rumors but I noticed in the last few days by my dealer in the pre-owned site there are more M 240 or P-P 240 type for sales...4.000/4.500 EUR...
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Its great to see Leica following RFF's lead and finally getting back to naming their M cameras properly LOL
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Except by any realistic naming in the old number system, this one should be M12 (M10=M/M-P240/MM246, M11=M/M-D262, etc).

It is good to see new products appearing, as always.

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The M10 is obviously a 35mm camera. The change to the lens mount is purely a trick of the eye.
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The M10 is obviously a 35mm camera. The change to the lens mount is purely a trick of the eye.
What are you trying to say?
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I'll get the "M10" in three years time when it's value has plummeted because everyone will be raving about the upcoming "M11"
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sweet. size of analog m though which one?
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Since all the film Ms are the same size with the exception of M5 and M7 and the M7 is barely larger than the rest, I'd say any of them.
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sweet. size of analog m though which one?
M5, of course!

I'd also be interested to see if they manage to keep the weight reasonable. I thought the M240 was a bit heaftier than I would have liked.
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The M262 is lighter than the M240? and if they managed to size it down then maybe lighter than the 262?
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The M262 is lighter than the M240? and if they managed to size it down then maybe lighter than the 262?
Yeah, the M262 feels a lot better than the M240. The M10 may or may not be lighter. It depends on the metal they decide to use on the top plate. The 262 has an aluminum top plate which makes it much lighter than the brass M240.
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sweet. size of analog m though which one?
I think when this is said, it is going to be a typical M, not a monster like the M5...
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Funny thing is I only have a problem with the size of the M when I compare it to something like an M3. But when I compare it to something tacky like a Nikon DF it feels awesome.
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Will it take a Leicavit ;-)
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Funny thing is I only have a problem with the size of the M when I compare it to something like an M3. But when I compare it to something tacky like a Nikon DF it feels awesome.
Well I think I will just keep my 'tacky' Df
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Since all the film Ms are the same size with the exception of M5 and M7 and the M7 is barely larger than the rest, I'd say any of them.
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i predict M6ttl/M7 size, which would be fine imo.
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They had a full size "sensor" in the Barnacks, well, one can dream.

Does the rumoured spec. look like a leap forward or a small step to you? I suppose it depends on where you are looking from, from my M8, which is progressively failing and I suspect would be un-economic to repair even if parts were available, given the size rumours it looks like time to make a leap.
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No but you can make your own batteries in old IXMOO canisters...
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Maestro II ?

Thanks for the specs link.

Besides the thinner body/flange length trade-off. A significant difference could be switching to the MAESTRO II in-camera processing engine.
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Except by any realistic naming in the old number system, this one should be M12 (M10=M/M-P240/MM246, M11=M/M-D262, etc).

It is good to see new products appearing, as always.

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I wonder if "M10" is a nod to 10 years of digital Ms. Whatever it's called, and why, the camera sounds wonderful.

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No video, only three buttons on the back, M7 size...

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I would not spend a single EUR more for a camera body that is slimmer. So the basic question is, what can this camera do better than a M240?
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I would not spend a single EUR more for a camera body that is slimmer. So the basic question is, what can this camera do better than a M240?
Many people have wanted a digital Leica the size of a M. They will get it now. I guess it wasn't made for you or I, but this will sell even if it is not an improvement in "IQ" vs. other Ms.
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I mean, it's not like it's a rehoused M240. It's thinner, it will have a better sensor, supposedly better VF, probably a higher buffer, etc. I always look at stuff as having "generational upgrades." Everything is going to be slightly better in the new model, generally speaking.
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Pretty much...
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It's thinner, it will have a better sensor, supposedly better VF, probably a higher buffer,
lower price ...
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Ah, the gold ol' lower priced Leica dream...
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I'm doubting the "thin as an analog M"... The body still looks fairly thick, surely dependent on the battery and SD card slot. That front flange doesn't look more than about 2mm thicker than on the M240/262. The rear screen may have been slimmed a mm or so too, but that still doesn't get it to M6-skinny! But that's ok with me.
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Why would the viewfinder stick out like that ?
Because it is designed for current thickness bodies and they don`t want to change it.

Or it is to accommodate electronic RF.
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I mean, it's not like it's a rehoused M240.
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But it is!

The 'housing' differences may be very attractive to some people.

But the most important component - the sensor technology is identical.

The in-camera image rendering engine is the Maestro II system used in other Leica products. How this change is accepted by the digital M community remains to be seen.

IMHO it's non issue. Some will like it. Some will say there's no practical difference. And some will decide the original M240/M262 image engine is better.
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A bit of a non-sequitur, I am glad everyone here is generally courteous and respectful when discussing the new M10. The comments on LR has been atrocious, full of name-calling and insults, hate and disdain. Okay, *rant over* and Happy Holidays (I know what Ill be asking for Christmas *next* year!).
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