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Old 04-11-2016   #1
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Impossible Project debuts a brand new instant camera

Now, this is interesting.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...its-i-1-camera

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There was a teaser up for this camera on Impossible web site the next day I got my Polaroid SLR 680...

I'm using the wrong Impossible B&W SX-70 film with it and getting great results. Anyone deliberately using SX-70 film in series 600 cameras? Or is Impossible 600 film just as good as SX-70?

Will this new Impossible camera work with both SX-70 and 600 film?
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What he said.

I wonder if the app has a metering function built in. That would be very convenient.
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Interesting. I haven't gotten into TIP yet because their film is so expensive and I can't justify it over Instax for my purposes. But this camera is certainly intriguing
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So special, it let me think of a small UFO, GAS attack behind the corner...
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Excellent! It looks like a Dalek from the straight on view.
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........I'm using the wrong Impossible B&W SX-70 film with it and getting great results. Anyone deliberately using SX-70 film in series 600 cameras? Or is Impossible 600 film just as good as SX-70?

Will this new Impossible camera work with both SX-70 and 600 film?
There’s a big speed difference between 600-series and SX-70 film. 600-series is just that, ISO 600 film, while SX-70 comes in at ISO 160.

As for which is better, some folks think that 600-series is a better film.

I believe the new camera takes brand new film. The camera has a built-in battery which means that the film pack doesn’t come with a battery like existing SX-70 and 600-series film does.

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The article says, "...a revamp ...that packs the original's analog pleasures into a sleek digital package." A digital package that uses Type 600 film. Interesting. Very interesting.
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Nice to see Bloomberg keeping up their usual standards "The camera itself is designed for simplicity of use: there are few buttons and no knobs"

Right underneath a photo of a knob on the side.

Back on topic though, curious to see the results and how this will work being a new type of film.
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I track everything in The Impossible Project universe of instant film. The film is a bit costly but keeps getting better and better, and it produces unique photographs. This new i-1 looks like it will be another cool camera to work with.

The "new" 600 film is simply 600 film in cassettes that don't have the battery in them. That means they only work in cameras that do not require the built-in batteries, like the Impossible Project's "Instant Lab" and the "66/6 Instant Pinhole" camera. And this new i-1 camera. All three of these are built on the same processing unit base. Regular 600 film is fully compatible, as is SX-70 film, with the i-1, just like with the Instant Lab and 6/66 Instant Pinhole.

The cassettes are all the same, they differ only by the presence of the battery and which emulsion and frame are being used. SX-70 film is ISO 150, 600 film is ISO 600 ... two stops faster. You can shoot 600 film in traditional SX-70 cameras by either turning the light/dark control to the darkest setting, and conversely shoot SX-70 film in 600 cameras by turning the light/dark contol to the lightest setting. You can also use a two-stop ND filter with SX-70 film cameras to adjust the metering so that the 600 film is properly exposed on the normal setting.

(In general, the 600 class Impossible Films have been a bit more successful than the SX-70 class films. It seems it's harder to make slower emulsions these days; the chemistry they're using now tend to be just a bit faster than the SX-70 rating and right on the mark for the 600 rating. The latest films control this better. The latest 600 color film version 3, currently in beta test, is very good quality. The one thing I prefer SX-70 film for is time exposures with the 6/66 Instant Pinhole and Polaroid SLR670m by MiNT: the SX-70 emulsion's reciprocity grows more slowly than the 600 emulsion.)

The control capabilities of the i-1 will allow manual exposure adjustment, based on the announcements I've seen. I'm looking forward to working with the i-1.

I love seeing instant film survive and prosper. :-)

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@ brbo: Godfrey gave a clear explanation of differences between the various films. I use regularly 600 film (the Black and Green version) on one of my sx70 with a ND filter on it, But I tried even without the ND filter just turning down the exposure compensation and it works very well.
Nice to see the Impossible Project evolving...
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This is so cool.... I had no idea this (instant film) thing was going on. People still want a print to hold in spite of all the time spent in front of one screen or another.
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This is so cool.... I had no idea this (instant film) thing was going on. People still want a print to hold in spite of all the time spent in front of one screen or another.
"in spite of all the time spent in front of one screen or another" > "because of all the time spent in front of one screen or another"

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The "new" 600 film is simply 600 film in cassettes that don't have the battery in them. That means they only work in cameras that do not require the built-in batteries, like the Impossible Project's "Instant Lab" and the "66/6 Instant Pinhole" camera.
One of the reasons I don't shoot that much Impossible Film is obvioulsy the price. 20 Euros for 8 exposures is steep. Which begs the question: Will the new film without batteries be any cheaper?

Btw, it is ridiculously easy to hack a 10 Euro flea market Polaroid to work with commonly available penlite batteries. Aint pretty, works fine. Did this to use old packs with a dead battery.
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One of the reasons I don't shoot that much Impossible Film is obvioulsy the price. 20 Euros for 8 exposures is steep. Which begs the question: Will the new film without batteries be any cheaper?

Btw, it is ridiculously easy to hack a 10 Euro flea market Polaroid to work with commonly available penlite batteries. Aint pretty, works fine. Did this to use old packs with a dead battery.
Not much cheaper I am afraid, the film for the Istant Lab which a
was without battery was only 19 instead of 20 EUR...

You are right, it's expensive...but it's a great emotion...I'm also not shooting so much as I would like for the same reason...on the other side I do not buy a new digital camera each year and with that money I can buy enough films

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@ brbo: Godfrey gave a clear explanation of differences between the various films. I use regularly 600 film (the Black and Green version) on one of my sx70 with a ND filter on it, But I tried even without the ND filter just turning down the exposure compensation and it works very well.
Yes (and thank you Godfrey), I know about the speed difference between SX-70 and 600 film. I can use the exp. comp. on SLR680 and so far I didn't even need to go all the way to the brightest setting to expose the SX-70 film the way I like (I'm sure I'll eventually run into a situation when more compensation will be needed, though).



But I was more curious about the difference in "character" of the two.

The only side-to-side comparison that I found was this and the difference was, well, more than I imagined and I prefer the SX-70 in this case.


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Love those photos, Robert and brbo!

I buy in six-pack bunches to get the lowest price. It's not cheap, but I don't mind for the volume I use. It's not a heck of a lot more expensive than shooting 6x6 120 roll film, having it processed and printed.

What made the Impossible film so expensive at first was the inconsistency. Between the fact that many of the cameras are old and getting quirky on shutter timing and exposure, the film was very very slow to process and unpredictable as to how it would react to different lighting. And then there were the deficiencies of the opacifier and tendency to become overexposed as it came out of the camera...

The latest generations of film have advanced enormously in these regards with far better light-proofness on ejection, much much faster processing, and much more consistent behavior. So now I can get 7 out of 8 per pack that are properly exposed and focused, assuming that the camera I'm using is in good shape.

Each generation of the films, both SX-70 and 600, have changed along the way. The current is finally reaching the color quality and consistency that makes Impossible possible. The photo below took virtually no adjustment...

At that point, it becomes a real photographic tool and lets you get past the technology to work on photographs. :-)

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Yes (and thank you Godfrey), I know about the speed difference between SX-70 and 600 film. I can use the exp. comp. on SLR680 and so far I didn't even need to go all the way to the brightest setting to expose the SX-70 film the way I like (I'm sure I'll eventually run into a situation when more compensation will be needed, though).



But I was more curious about the difference in "character" of the two.

The only side-to-side comparison that I found was this and the difference was, well, more than I imagined and I prefer the SX-70 in this case.


Impossible Instant Lab by mojocoffee, on Flickr
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The I-1 should be available for purchase tomorrow. First film camera with a smartphone custom control interface, perhaps! :-)

I hope that Impossible Color 600 v3 goes final at the same time. I've been working with it in beta release and am quite impressed with how consistent and good quality its color is.

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Looks great - I'll probably buy mine soon. It doesn't say if there's a tripod mount but I assume so given the app has a long exposure function.

I'll wait to read some reviews but I think it looks lovely.

Wonder how long a single charge works, assume it's for more than a single pack of film.

Also no details on the lens aperture but close focus is 30cm which is handy.

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Looks great - I'll probably buy mine soon. It doesn't say if there's a tripod mount but I assume so given the app has a long exposure function.

I'll wait to read some reviews but I think it looks lovely.

Wonder how long a single charge works, assume it's for more than a single pack of film.

Also no details on the lens aperture but close focus is 30cm which is handy.

https://uk.impossible-project.com/pa...instant-camera
If it's anything like the Instant Lab or 66/6 Instant Pinhole, a charge should be good for at least three to five packs of film. I expect lens aperture to be about f/4 or f/4.7, given the size of the lens.

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If it's anything like the Instant Lab or 66/6 Instant Pinhole, a charge should be good for at least three to five packs of film. I expect lens aperture to be about f/4 or f/4.7, given the size of the lens.

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I expect lens aperture to be about f/4 or f/4.7, given the size of the lens.
Hmm... Doesn't seem significantly bigger than SX-70 lens to me.

The first batch of I-1 cameras is already sold (2-3 weeks wait time now)! I hope Impossible sells a lot of I-1s, expands the user base for their film and gets some scale savings going on or additional funds for further development (can I dream of 15EUR per 10 pack?)...
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Interesting for sure, I think I'll buy one soon or probably later! As lover of instant photography I think buying one is a way to support who is keeping this kind of photography alive!

Not sure how practical is this phone/camera connection to set parameters but worthwhile to try.

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Purchased a day early, because I'm lucky enough to be an Impossible Member (but not lucky enough to be a Pioneer). Looking forward to having a tinker.
FYI - The newly packaged colour film is new chemistry and develops in half the time of the last Gen.
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Purchased a day early, because I'm lucky enough to be an Impossible Member (but not lucky enough to be a Pioneer). Looking forward to having a tinker.
FYI - The newly packaged colour film is new chemistry and develops in half the time of the last Gen.
Same here ... Ordered one last evening. :-)

I also downloaded the iPhone app. It looks good (you can explore it without a camera connected) with a simple layout and good features. The remote release and exposure control are the big ones.
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Hmm... Doesn't seem significantly bigger than SX-70 lens to me.

The first batch of I-1 cameras is already sold (2-3 weeks wait time now)! I hope Impossible sells a lot of I-1s, expands the user base for their film and gets some scale savings going on or additional funds for further development (can I dream of 15EUR per 10 pack?)...
Yeah, might be f/8-11 or something like that.

The big thing is getting new cameras into the market so that the user base can expand. Instant film of all film types is the populist development space.
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^ Congrats! Now we want to hear ALL about it!!!
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As much as I would like to jump on board the price of the film is very prohibitive ... in the real world I would be looking at $3.50 AUD per shot!
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A review without having used it? How novel.

Its an innovative camera (having used it!). Its the only film camera with (optional) bluetooth. They've crammed a lot into a very small (albeit, initially ugly) package. Infrared focusing, multiple lenses (optical grade polycarbonate on a rotating disc) and an ingenious LED ring light system that serves, not only as a flash, but an exposure counter and battery indicator, to boot.

Got to say, as much as I love the SLR680 (and SX-70) design and the tech behind sonar focusing, I'm finding the I-1 to be a lot more user friendly.

I would often used a few attempts to find the right exposure (as Keith has said - costly), but first shot, out of the box, shot into direct bright sunlight and a near perfect exposure. Nice bit of kit.

Keith - as an aside, film price has come down. Standard 600 speed packs are 50p cheaper (not sure what that converts to in AUD?) but dedicated I-type film (sans the battery) is cheaper still at £14.99. Granted, not Instax money yet, but I'd rather pay the premium to a company who still has the passion to bring us new, innovative films.
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A review without having used it? How novel.
He didn't say it was a review. Just an opinion.

I don't agree with his opinion. I mean, trashing the camera because it doesn't have aperture and shutter speed dials? Erm, which integral film camera does have them?! I didn't expect a company with very limited resources to come up with an F6 that spits out polaroids on its first atempt at producing a new camera.
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He didn't say it was a review. Just an opinion.
Thanks brbo, though it IS just my opinion and for me, I don't think the I-1 will work.

I'm not trashing the camera, just giving my opinion. I'd prefer a point and shoot like ye olde Polaroids to one offering all those manual possibilities I'd want to use.... but I'll need to handle my iPhone to do it.

I prefer the idea behind the Mint Instantflex TL-70 though it's a shame it uses those Fuji films.

As I said, my opinion purely. Others will certainly love it, and I might even be completely wrong....
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Ordered one...should arrive in two/three weeks...I'm curious to experiment it and also I like to support in this way the efforts made by the Impossible Team...

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I'm looking forward to using it and will report once I do... Unfortunately I'm way way WAY too busy to even take it out of the box and be distracted for a day or two. Perhaps Sunday.

Price of film: I-1 film packs don't need to carry a battery and so are a little less expensive than the regular Impossible 600 film. Price is US$2 per photo (AUD$2.50 at current exchange rates). Considered against a roll of 120 film, if you purchase film and processing from a photofinisher, it's about twice the cost. That's pretty close to what the difference was back when film was king, actually: 1 frame of SX-70 Time Zero film ran about US$1.00 where the 120 film and processing ran about $0.50 a shot. It's expensive, yes, but then again you don't shoot a Polaroid or a 6x6 camera the same way you shoot 35mm or digital. One never did; it was always too expensive to do that.

"... Impossible missed something there." : Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but putting a whole website page up to dis Impossible because they didn't make the camera that you personally would have preferred, without having even handled one yet, strikes me as a little silly and perhaps over the top. But, eh? Do what you want. It doesn't affect me at all.

I'm looking forward to opening the box and trying it out. A fully automated camera that takes the technical details of making a good photo out of the way for the most users, that lets people create photos with as little distance between vision and capture, was always Edwin Land's goal. Having creative control beyond that run by a smartphone is the millennial way, and I use it with so many other things now it is natural to me. For the expected audience of this camera, I think they've done just the right thing.

Can't wait to start using it and see how well it works.

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"... Impossible missed something there." : Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but putting a whole website page up to dis Impossible because they didn't make the camera that you personally would have preferred, without having even handled one yet, strikes me as a little silly and perhaps over the top. But, eh? Do what you want. It doesn't affect me at all.

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Hey, that was just a post on something that interested me on my blog, so not a whole website......

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Hey, that was just a post on something that interested me on my blog, so not a whole website......

I have my opinion, and I accept everyone's too! OK
I did say "...a whole website page..", not a whole website. For many people searching for Impossible I-1 information, that page will BE your whole website, however.

No problem that you have an opinion and feel the camera isn't for you, or even that you felt it important to make that a public statement. It's rather that you highlighted your opinion in such a large fashion (a whole page dedicated to saying "Hey, they made a new camera, it's not what I want." with purloined photograph to boot) and dis'ed Impossible because what they made doesn't appeal to you personally.

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