Monochrom 246 and Leica SL in New Mexico
Old 02-24-2016   #1
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Monochrom 246 and Leica SL in New Mexico

Wasn't quite sure where to put this thread, so we'll start here....

I've been visiting New Mexico from the past several years, and more recently have been making what has become an annual 'wander' during the month of February (I'm presently on my third such trip). It's a place in which I've found a 'cleansing' of sorts, a personal renewal, some good food, silver and turquoise jewelry (don't get me started!), and of course a few photos along the way.

This time around, I've been afforded the opportunity to do a side-by-side comparison of the Leica Monochrom 246 and the new Leica SL. The Leica SL peaked my interest when it was introduced, but simply reading all the online chatter about it didn't really give me a sense of what it was like to actually use. To make a long story short, I've been loaned an SL for two weeks as I wander throughout New Mexico (which is where I am now). I'm using both it and my Monochrom 246, along with my M-mount lenses (the 35/1.7 Voigtlander Ultron, 50/0.95 Noctilux, 50/2 Summicron and 75/2.5 Summarit). I've been considering making the switch from the 246 to the SL, and hopefully this road test will help me decide one way or another.

So far the SL is making it VERY difficult to decide!

First, I love the feel of the thing - big, chunky, solid piece of aluminum, great viewfinder, easy to focus, easy to use (once you've read through the 130 page manual a few times!), images that are tack-sharp (particularly with the 0.95) , low ISO option (ISO 50), dual SD slots, plus a host of other features that make this a tempting combination for me. Things that make me hesitate a bit -- actually only one thing: It only has an EVF. It's a great EVF, mind you, but I found out that if I'm wearing my polarized sunglasses (prescription) out here in the New Mexico sun, I cannot see a darned thing through the EVF (of course the same holds true for the Olympus VF-2 that I have on my Monochrom). At least with the Monochrom I have the optical viewfinder I can use, and my sunglasses don't make any difference in the view. So if i'm shooting on a bright sunny day with the SL, I either have to wear my regular glasses, or I have to take off my sunglasses, adjust the diopter on the camera to suit my nearsighted eyes, and then shoot. That is a bit of a hassle, but not necessarily a total deal-breaker. But that 'limitation' is offset by the image quality the camera delivers, and that's what has me in a quandary.

Anyways, down to some images. The first is just a straight side-by-side comparison of the same scene, and the rest will be just images shot with the SL and Monochom 246 on this New Mexico 'wander'. As I wanted to compare this camera to the Monochrom, I've been mainly shooting the SL with black and white as the intended end result (I have it set up as DNG+JPEG Monochrome), so I've been converting the colour DNG of the SL to black and white.

This first shot was taken using the same lens (35/1.7 Voigtlander) at f/2. ISO on the Monochrom was 320, 400 on the SL.

Monochrom 246:

Chimayo 246-1
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Leica SL:

Chimayo SL-1
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Detail crops of each photo from roughly the same section:

Monochrom 246:

Chimayo 246-1 Crop
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SL:

Chimayo SL-1 Crop
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To me, the difference is sharpness is amazing, and is one of the big things that's tempting me towards the SL. But, not ready to give up on the Monochrom so easily.

Anyhow, here's what I've gotten so far in my 'wander' (5 days). Please note that I've been working on my small laptop in a variety of conditions (cafes, hotel rooms etc), so the shots may need a bit of tweaking when I get home.

Five of the shots in this installment are from the SL -- can you pick them out?


The Shanti Bus
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Espanola1
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Las Vegas1
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Las Trampas2
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Robert, Postmaster, Conchas Dam, NM
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Casey, Postmaster, Tremontina NM
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Rita, Postmaster, Garita NM
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Mora1
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Chimayo3
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Chimayo4
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Chimayo2
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Old 02-24-2016   #2
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More shots...


On Main St.
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In the Garden of Gethsemane
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Untitled
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Truchas2
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Richard
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Very nice shots!

Polarized lenses are nicer, of course.
But can't you just buy not polarized prescriptional sunglasses for shooting?
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Hi Vince,
thanks for sharing your photos. Great work, as usual ... honestly unless the potential buyer is into huge (3 by 5 ft) fine art prints, for me it doesn't make a difference in the shots themselves if they are shot with the M246 or SL. Do you think you are limited by what the M246 can deliver? The SL might give even more performance ... is it really relevant for what you shoot?

Being comfortable with camera is important for you in the first place but also for the subject (if human) being in front of the camera.
That being said Robert, postmaster ; Casey, postmaster and Pastor Joe are my favorites. The image quality in the last one might already be distracting because I am drawn to all the detail in the shirts pattern.

As for polarized glasses and electronic displays, I guess this is just the way it is. I also have difficulties with my phone display or car GPS when wearing my sunglasses.
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Hi Vince,
thanks for sharing your photos. Great work, as usual ... honestly unless the potential buyer is into huge (3 by 5 ft) fine art prints, for me it doesn't make a difference in the shots themselves if they are shot with the M246 or SL. Do you think you are limited by what the M246 can deliver? The SL might give even more performance ... is it really relevant for what you shoot?

Being comfortable with camera is important for you in the first place but also for the subject (if human) being in front of the camera.
That being said Robert, postmaster ; Casey, postmaster and Pastor Joe are my favorites. The image quality in the last one might already be distracting because I am drawn to all the detail in the shirts pattern.
For me it's the way I am able to work with the Noctilux with the SL - with the Monochrom, if I'm shooting at the wider apertures (which is usually the case!), I have trouble making sure that my point of focus is tack sharp (even with the Olympus EVF). If I focus on something (and with the Monochrom your point of focus is in the center), and then reframe to put that point of focus compositionally off to one side, that in itself can throw it out of focus. With the SL I don't have that, as your point of focus can really be anywhere in the frame without having to recompose. So that's a really big thing for me, as I rely on that lens quite a bit. With that lens on the SL it's a dream. Even with that side-by-side example above with the 35 Ultron, the difference is obvious. Now, how it's going to look in a print, I can't say at this point, though I will find out when I get home.

As far as subjects being more comfortable in front of the Monochrom vs in front of the SL (if that's what you were suggesting), I don't think it honestly makes a difference, unless we can somehow hook up electrodes to people's brains and measure their comfort level in front of one camera vs the other (hmmm, that might actually make for an interesting scientific study!). I think we like to think that an M rangefinder is a more 'friendly' camera, but I can't definitively say one way or the other. At least when I've been shooting with both cameras these past few days, it didn't seem to show (one of the three Postmasters BTW was photographed with the SL - does one look more uncomfortable than the other two?).

So that's where I'm at right now -- I'm going to try to shoot exclusively with the SL today and see what happens. Hopefully I'll find some meaningful photos today!

I might go back this morning to reshoot this scene -- although I don't think the crow will still be there!


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A more rigorous test here:

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/...6-v-m240-v-sl/

With this conclusion:

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Sorry, SL folk, you cannot throw away your M246's ...... it still reigns supreme .... and by a fair margin, particularly with a lens like the 50/2 apo .......
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A more rigorous test here:

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/...6-v-m240-v-sl/

With this conclusion: Sorry, SL folk, you cannot throw away your M246's ...... it still reigns supreme .... and by a fair margin, particularly with a lens like the 50/2 apo .......
It's an interesting test and a nice quote, but it might not necessarily apply to me personally, as I am using, carrying and enjoying both for the next two weeks. It's a tossup for me, personally. What a given camera does at ISO 25000 really doesn't apply to me. I stress again, this is how it applies to what I am doing, and how whichever camera fits into the way I like to work. Plus for me where the rubber hits the road is in the prints - which I'll find out when I'm back home.

Not sure if 'more rigorous' is the right term to use here, particularly compared to what I'm doing here in New Mexico. Our 'tests' are different, that's all.
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Hey Vince, I'm not familiar with either of those cameras (I use M3 & X Pro1) but the photos are outstanding!! I would be so pleased with all of these that I don't think the machine matters that much. For me, that is.

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It's an interesting test and a nice quote, but it might not necessarily apply to me personally, as I am using, carrying and enjoying both for the next two weeks. It's a tossup for me, personally. What a given camera does at ISO 25000 really doesn't apply to me. I stress again, this is how it applies to what I am doing, and how whichever camera fits into the way I like to work. Plus for me where the rubber hits the road is in the prints - which I'll find out when I'm back home.

Not sure if 'more rigorous' is the right term to use here, particularly compared to what I'm doing here in New Mexico. Our 'tests' are different, that's all.
Well, I don't think that anybody will dispute that both cameras produce superior results. Personally I have no horse in this race, as I own neither. I "make do" with my Monochrom 1, which produces a more subtle tonal range IMHO.
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I've owned both the CCD Monochrom and now the Monochrom 246, and honestly I actually found more shadow and highlight detail with the 246. Files at base ISO are 'cleaner' with the 246 (which some people may or may not regard as a good thing). And here again, I'm seeing this in 11"x16" prints (my normal printing size), not just on a computer screen.
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subscribing to this thread to see what you decide

honestly though, I'd just straight forget about side by side comparisons here. They'll both produce great images. Pick the one that you enjoy using more and gives you the creative flexibility you like. Right now that sounds like the SL, if you can get over not having an OVF.

Good luck and wonderful photos!

my only guess on picture ID is that LasVegas1 is from the 246.
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I've owned both the CCD Monochrom and now the Monochrom 246, and honestly I actually found more shadow and highlight detail with the 246. Files at base ISO are 'cleaner' with the 246 (which some people may or may not regard as a good thing). And here again, I'm seeing this in 11"x16" prints (my normal printing size), not just on a computer screen.
Vince,

I don't own a M-246, but I agree with your assessment that the M-246 has more shadow detail and smoother rolloff in the highlights. Overall I think the M-246 has a broader dynamic range than my Monochrom, but I do think the rendering of the MM is special and that it creates a thick midrange that resembles large format film.

I remain reluctant to ever part with my MM because paired with a 28 Cron it is a match made in heaven for me and my style of shooting.

No doubt we are currently spoiled by such selection. I follow this thread because the SL and M-246 are interesting cameras, but know that there is no replacement for my MM, and a SL or M-246 would only be an addition.

Ideally Leica would make a monochrom version of the SL. As crazy as it sounds I would take the SL for the 14 bit over the 12 bit used on the M-246. Know the old MM warts and all is still a great camera for me. How spoiled is that?

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That SL crop is really something! These are excellent photos, Vince; thanks for sharing 'em
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subscribing to this thread to see what you decide

honestly though, I'd just straight forget about side by side comparisons here. They'll both produce great images. Pick the one that you enjoy using more and gives you the creative flexibility you like. Right now that sounds like the SL, if you can get over not having an OVF.

Good luck and wonderful photos!

my only guess on picture ID is that LasVegas1 is from the 246.
Actually that's from the SL - the first 5 photos are from the SL

For me it's the ease with which I can focus with the Noctilux, plus that sharpness is a nice temptation. I like them both, and if I could afford to have both I would. But my wife has stated that some not nice things would happen if I did. So best not to go down that road
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....It's a tossup for me, personally....
In a tossup I'd always stand pat. Given the SL cost, I'd need something I can't live without to make that switch.

And to live long-term with EVF-only, no matter how good, would concern me. On a P&S or second camera it's fine. But there something magical about a bright OVF with framelines.

Really enjoying your photos and this discussion.

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For me it's the way I am able to work with the Noctilux with the SL - with the Monochrom, if I'm shooting at the wider apertures (which is usually the case!), I have trouble making sure that my point of focus is tack sharp (even with the Olympus EVF). If I focus on something (and with the Monochrom your point of focus is in the center), and then reframe to put that point of focus compositionally off to one side, that in itself can throw it out of focus. With the SL I don't have that, as your point of focus can really be anywhere in the frame without having to recompose. So that's a really big thing for me, as I rely on that lens quite a bit. With that lens on the SL it's a dream. Even with that side-by-side example above with the 35 Ultron, the difference is obvious. Now, how it's going to look in a print, I can't say at this point, though I will find out when I get home.

As far as subjects being more comfortable in front of the Monochrom vs in front of the SL (if that's what you were suggesting), I don't think it honestly makes a difference, unless we can somehow hook up electrodes to people's brains and measure their comfort level in front of one camera vs the other (hmmm, that might actually make for an interesting scientific study!). I think we like to think that an M rangefinder is a more 'friendly' camera, but I can't definitively say one way or the other. At least when I've been shooting with both cameras these past few days, it didn't seem to show (one of the three Postmasters BTW was photographed with the SL - does one look more uncomfortable than the other two?).

So that's where I'm at right now -- I'm going to try to shoot exclusively with the SL today and see what happens. Hopefully I'll find some meaningful photos today!

I might go back this morning to reshoot this scene -- although I don't think the crow will still be there!


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Don't worry Vince, crow knows where you are. Nice shots from Chimayo too. Hope you got to try the tamales at Leona's.

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Casey Postmaster is one if the nicer environmental portraits posted On our board. Thanks for that Vince.

The SL seems like the choice here if one had to make a choice.
Given the IQ and your description of using the Noctilux by compose and then focus instead of the reverse.
I know I lose keepers focus and re-composing at larger aperture quite often.
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Wonderful and inspiring work Vince. Glad you started a thread for it. It deserves it's own thread. For the type of work you do I think the SL would be a good fit.

Kinda hard to tell anything on a site with 80kb jpg. Your prints will tell you the real story. Everything looks really good here. Maybe a bit of artifact-ing at the roof line and sky on some of the conversions but that to can be because of low res jpg.
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I miss NM. Unique place -- the entire state. We try to discourage folks from staying too long though. Get too many people and it starts looking like southern California. Great if you're into that kind of thing -- New Mexicans aren't! [with possible exception of ABQ area, yikes]

I lose shots to the focus-and-recompose problem all the time. My only complaint about using RF's.
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Actually that's from the SL - the first 5 photos are from the SL
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well I guess I had a 50/50
The only reason I picked that one was because it looked like the mailbox was a little less sharp, as what might have happened with a focus & recompose.
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I was ambivalent about the SL at first too. I've since had a chance to try it twice for very brief periods. IMO, it improves on all the Sony a7 handling/UI shortcomings and is the best mirrorless I've used to date, in respect to responsiveness, ease of use, feel, logical design, etc. I was very impressed with the EVF when I tried it with my range of M lenses. Anything 50mm and longer was super easy to focus and I was nailing wide open focus with those lenses without any peaking or magnification.

Where I have some reservations about the SL is WA M lens performance. The results with my 28 Cron (v1) and 21 SEM showed some edge sharpness degradation/smearing reminiscent of using WA lenses on the Sony cameras, though not quite as bad. But still not as good at wider apertures as on the M9 or M240. I suspect this is one reason for the recent 28mm and 35 Cron refresh.

If I did not currently need to maintain a comprehensive Canon DSLR system for action/sports work, as well as events where their wireless radio flash system is at times very useful, I'd seriously consider adding an SL to my M kit because I feel it nicely augments some M shortcomings. But as it stands now, an SL would sit somewhere between the M and DSLR in feature-set and capabilities, without replacing either. Rather, I will wait to see what the next M body offers in respect to enhanced live view and add-on EVF capability. It very well may be similarly specced to the SL, yet retain the RF characteristics I greatly value.

In any case, I really enjoyed your photos, irrelevant of the camera used. As with the Lensrentals comparison, it's 99.99999% of the time going to be irrelevant to the viewers of your photos. IMO, where it will most make a difference is in your enjoyment of the process of creating images. How the cameras feel, how transparent they become in the process by not interfering when you get into a flow with your shooting. This is why I'm a big fan of Leica gear even though I believe Leica will never win a spec-sheet shootout with any other popular brand. You just can't determine 'shooting experience' without trying the gear first. Unfortunately most never give Leica a fair chance due to the cost of entry.
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I don't know how you post processed, but just comparing pixels mimicking 'grain' signature, the SL rules the day.

The SL almost has the old Monochrom look to it, something the new Mono lacks. The old Mono and the SL are looking like Tri X, the new Mono is Verichrome Pan at it's worst, or Panatomic X when ISO is in its favor and at its best.

Hey, I wish I had the money for an SL!

Vince, I'm jealous!
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I don't know how you post processed, but just comparing pixels mimicking 'grain' signature, the SL rules the day.

The SL almost has the old Monochrom look to it, something the new Mono lacks. The old Mono and the SL are looking like Tri X, the new Mono is Verichrome Pan at it's worst, or Panatomic X when ISO is in its favor and at its best.

Hey, I wish I had the money for an SL!

Vince, I'm jealous!
Thanks for your thoughts Dan. Really, I don't have a problem with the 'look' of the images from the Monochrom 246 at all. They are definitely 'cleaner' at base ISO than the 'old' Monochrom, but I actually prefer that, plus it gives me a higher 'ceiling', if that makes sense. And looking at 'old' vs 'new' Monochrom prints side-by-side, there isn't this jarring difference between the two.

As far as $$$$ goes for the SL, I definitely can't afford to buy it outright. I'll have to either 'trade up' through my dealer/pusher, or sell the 246 on the secondary market myself.

BTW I shot all day with the SL today, and I'll hopefully upload some photos soon. Stay tuned!
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One shot from a couple of hours ago. Leica SL, ISO 50. Processed in the bar of the Hotel Eklund, Clayton, NM!


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Another Postmaster -- this is Cassandra, Postmaster for Amistad, NM. Shot with the 0.95 Noctilux, pretty much wide open:


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The SL is clearly a stellar performer, and Vince, you're a pretty good photographer as well I'm really enjoying your images here; and missing NM a little more with each. I think I can see the difference compared to the Monocrhom, but then again it might just be in my head. Computer monitor and all. Prints would be a treat, I can tell that much.

Clayton, eh. How about wandering due south from there. Most people seem to spend more time in the north half of the state. There's gems in the south half too. South from Clayton to Roswell and UFO's, Artesia and lots of oil drilling infrastructure (and a nice cafe), on down to Carlsbad. You don't have to go into the caves (although I would) but the bat emergence spectacle is one of Earth's great wonders. Probably not happening in late Feb, though. A wander over to Guadalupe National Monument (Park?) takes you through some nice scenery. Along the way, I've always found Sitting Bull Falls (state park I believe) a nice spot. The locals can be found there, local rock climbers.
The trip over the Sacramentos from Artesia to Alamogordo is nice. Cloudcroft seems out of place for southern NM. Highest golf course in the US is there, but I've never seen it. Not a golfer.
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I have done Roswell a couple of times (nice town), Carlsbad Caverns, White Sands, Las Cruces/Mesilla, and all down in that area. This time around I did the high road to Taos (though did not go to Taos this time), Hwy 104 from Las Vegas to Tucumcari, and today from Tucumcari out on Hwy 54 to almost the Texas state line, then up Hwy 402 to Clayton. Friday morning I have to be in Santa Rosa to start an assignment for the Guadalupe County Communicator newspaper!

This is my sixth visit to New Mexico, and my third such trip in February (otherwise known as my 'wanders'). This part of NM is the only region I hadn't visited. Glad I've now done it, though Raton and the volcanoes will have to wait until another trip.
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Somewhere on Hwy 402:


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Old 02-24-2016   #29
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Keep debating a little longer so we can keep enjoying this trip of yours as well.

P.S. I never found comfortable wearing sunglasses and shooting with a camera so my vote goes to getting use to that diopter correction.. Also I find OVF and EVF both useful and complementary to each other, so hard to just pick one.
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Really enjoying your photos! Keep 'em coming! I've never been to NM but now I'm wanting to go there more than ever.
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lovely photography, and I love NM.
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These are terrific Vince and yes in your hands the SL just sings as does the MM. Hopefully you will have a clear path at the end of the trip as to your camera direction. Keep'm coming. I am so enjoying this thread.
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Many thanks -- I'm likely going to use the Monochrom today, and tomorrow I start an assignment for the Guadalupe County Communicator newspaper. Not completely sure what the publisher has in store, but I may end up using the SL for that (may involve some - gasp - colour photos!

A boring one from yesterday -- this is in Nara Visa (near the TX state line):


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These are terrific Vince and yes in your hands the SL just sings as does the MM. Hopefully you will have a clear path at the end of the trip as to your camera direction. Keep'm coming. I am so enjoying this thread.
Vince,

A lot of nice shots. The MM, M-246 or SL does not really matter. Interesting your comments on how you like the clean files.

Anyways how spoiled are we today?

BTW I lived in New Mexico for a year and a half during the Cold War. Basically I worked at Los Alamos National Lab on a Star Wars project when Ronald Ray-Gun was President and we were building a Neutral Beam Partical Accelerator to shoot down intercontinental missles in their boost phase before they vaporize us.

I lived in a community of 80 mailboxes along State Highway 4 called La Cueva in the Santa Fe National Forest. The area was so remote that I got no TV reception and was 47 miles from civilization. that was equidistant from ABQ and Santa Fe.

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A boring one from yesterday -- this is in Nara Visa (near the TX state line):


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....Interesting your comments on how you like the clean files...
I'm starting to wonder if these are just TOO clean for me. I'm feeling an urge to shoot Tri-X, something I have not done in a long time.

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I'm starting to wonder if these are just TOO clean for me. I'm feeling an urge to shoot Tri-X, something I have not done in a long time.

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John,

That is part of the charm of my original Monochrom: pretty clean files but not perfect.

The files from the SL and M-246 do really look kinda perfect.

I still shoot lots of film BTW.

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Yes, Cal, I have an M-Monochrome and agree. Still really like Vince's contributions here and was (partly) kidding. But let's shut that door now.

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Yes, Cal, I have an M-Monochrome and agree. Still really like Vince's contributions here and was (partly) kidding. But let's shut that door now.

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Agreed.

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When will we be able to look at digital images for what they are?
I love film and digital. They are different animals.
Like watercolors or oils.
Digital will never be film and vice-versa.
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