OK Leica, I give up.
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OK Leica, I give up.

As a long time Leica user, I officially announce to the world, that even if I had the money, I would be Totally lost in the maze of present Leica cameras currently on the market. Leica I give up. I'm lost.
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Old 11-22-2015   #2
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As a long time Leica user, I officially announce to the world, that even if I had the money, I would be Totally lost in the maze of present Leica cameras currently on the market. Leica I give up. I'm lost.

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I don't see a problem here. I think Leica's current line up, provided you have the dosh, is about as good as it gets. They have their competition covered in nearly every area and considering the M8 was their first really serious foray into digital they've come a long way.

And .... they still offer a film camera!
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I don't see a problem here. I think Leica's current line up, provided you have the dosh, is about as good as it gets. They have their competition covered in nearly every area and considering the M8 was their first really serious foray into digital they've come a long way. And .... they still offer a film camera!
too many for me to follow but good for them.
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And .... they still offer a film camera!
Actually -3- film cameras! MP, M7, M-A.
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It's pretty simple, really... there's the S which is the studio pro line... the M which is what most of us are drawn to, and then the others that are sold to folks so that Leica can make enough profits to continue to offer the S and M lines. See? Simple!
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I don't see a problem here. I think Leica's current line up, provided you have the dosh, is about as good as it gets. They have their competition covered in nearly every area and considering the M8 was their first really serious foray into digital they've come a long way.

And .... they still offer a film camera!
+1, seems no different than figuring anything else out in life and it is not like their lineup is exactly huge. I would think sorting through Nikon or Canon's lineup would be far more confusing.
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No problem for me, I'm glad Leica is making different digital camera, less features
means lower price???? (Maybe)
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As a long time Leica user, I officially announce to the world, that even if I had the money, I would be Totally lost in the maze of present Leica cameras currently on the market. Leica I give up. I'm lost.
I think the issue is that you are not going to buy, so there was no need to keep up with / care about the differences. It's not like everything was announced all at once.
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If one were interested in buying, one would figure it out.
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As a long time Leica user, I officially announce to the world, that even if I had the money, I would be Totally lost in the maze of present Leica cameras currently on the market. Leica I give up. I'm lost.
With that frame of mind how do you handle grocery stores or clothes shopping?

Leica only has a few choices, it's easy.

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I was going to buy my girlfriend a trip to London, but I ended up buying her a movie ticket?
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With that frame of mind how do you handle grocery stores or clothes shopping?
Not quite the same, most of the grocery list every week is the same and once you know which brand mustard you like you don't have to make that decision again for a while.

I know what the S and M systems are, but what the heck is the other stuff ?
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Not quite the same, most of the grocery list every week is the same and once you know which brand mustard you like you don't have to make that decision again for a while.

I know what the S and M systems are, but what the heck is the other stuff ?
You don't "shop" do you?

I love camera "shopping," I seldom buy. Many men, especially ones with lists, confuse "shopping" with buying stuff. I was "shopping" at Adorama just the other day, I looked at probably 20 uesed cameras, enjoy myself.
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I know what the S and M systems are, but what the heck is the other stuff ?
Stuff you're not interested in enough to learn about?
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Stuff you're not interested in enough to learn about?
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You don't "shop" do you?

I love camera "shopping," I seldom buy. Many men, especially ones with lists, confuse "shopping" with buying stuff. I was "shopping" at Adorama just the other day, I looked at probably 20 uesed cameras, enjoy myself.
By "shopping" you mean browsing/window shopping ? I love shopping for books even if I don't buy half the stuff I see, but I have to say shopping for clothes or cameras just doesn't do anything for me
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If Leica's choices have made you give up in despair as they offer more than one camera, then I guess you gave up years ago on Canon, Nikon, Sony, Olympus, Fuji, Pentax, Lomo...
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Leica with it's many models is actually a bad thing!
Confusing yes but worse, sale of an item, means others not sold.
Leica like the other companies, is in competition, with itself..:-(
My view is that there is a new model, every few weeks..
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Leica with it's many models is actually a bad thing!
Confusing yes but worse, sale of an item, means others not sold.
Leica like the other companies, is in competition, with itself..:-(
My view is that there is a new model, every few weeks..
That was my point. It's almost seems like a Meth Rush, not that I would know.
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Leica with it's many models is actually a bad thing!
Confusing yes but worse, sale of an item, means others not sold.
Leica like the other companies, is in competition, with itself..:-(
My view is that there is a new model, every few weeks..
Except when you go into a Leica boutique store and realize that they sell to many people who have no idea about cameras but know of the label "Leica." It's good to have options other than the M for those types.
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The camera numbering system is cumbersome.
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Deja vu - I read this complaint before, but it isn't that difficult:
S = (almost) medium format AF camera
SL = full frame AF interchangeable lens camera
M = full frame manual focus interchangeable lens camera
Q = full frame AF fixed lens camera
T = APS-C AF interchangeable lens camera
X = APS-C AF fixed lens camera

It in fact is a very well thought out system with a footing in about every niche of the enthusiast market. Just pick the kind of camera you want and Leica has one that fits!
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That is why they dropped the numbers and do letters only.
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That is why they dropped the numbers and do letters only.
(I assume you are being humorous).
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If I have money, I will get a M-A. Don't want to touch their digital line. It is ridiculously expensive and resale value drops a 30 years film camera within 12 months. It is not worth the headache.
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Deja vu - I read this complaint before, but it isn't that difficult:
S = (almost) medium format AF camera
SL = full frame AF interchangeable lens camera
M = full frame manual focus interchangeable lens camera
Q = full frame AF fixed lens camera
T = APS-C AF interchangeable lens camera
X = APS-C AF fixed lens camera

It in fact is a very well thought out system with a footing in about every niche of the enthusiast market. Just pick the kind of camera you want and Leica has one that fits!
I need to bookmark this...
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If I have money, I will get a M-A. Don't want to touch their digital line. It is ridiculously expensive and resale value drops a 30 years film camera within 12 months. It is not worth the headache.
And the M-A isn't ridiculously expensive?
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Quite right
By "shopping" you mean browsing/window shopping ?
Not really what I mean, but explaining it is like trying to explain religion to an atheist. All I can say it is a mental state, not an activity, with many possible levels. I admit I am more of a witness than a participant, but still I find it hard to walk by bicycle shops or used camera stores.

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And the M-A isn't ridiculously expensive?
No, it's just expensive
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And the M-A isn't ridiculously expensive?
resale at about the same price even after years of usage, if MP is any guide -
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If I have money, I will get a M-A. Don't want to touch their digital line. It is ridiculously expensive and resale value drops a 30 years film camera within 12 months. It is not worth the headache.
I bought a like new, demo from Leica M240 with full warranty for less than an M-A.
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I bought a like new, demo from Leica M240 with full warranty for less than an M-A.
by the time you wan to sell it
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by the time you wan to sell it
Does not make sense. Please restate your point.
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As a long time Leica user, I officially announce to the world, that even if I had the money, I would be Totally lost in the maze of present Leica cameras currently on the market. Leica I give up. I'm lost.
Lost???, take your Mrs shopping for a new Kitchen, then come back to me.
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by the time you wan to sell it
Depreciation is similar to film costs if you use your camera a lot.
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As a long time Leica user, I officially announce to the world, that even if I had the money, I would be Totally lost in the maze of present Leica cameras currently on the market. Leica I give up. I'm lost.
It's really pretty simple: Stick with the M camera line and a 2 or 3 lens kit. You can't go wrong.
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