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10/5.6 M 1 0.23%
12/5.6 VM III 2 0.45%
12/5.6 VM II 2 0.45%
12/5.6 LTM 14 3.17%
15/4.5 VM III 16 3.62%
15/4.5 VM II 19 4.30%
15/4.5 LTM 50 11.31%
21/1.8 M 11 2.49%
21/4 M 34 7.69%
21/4 LTM 72 16.29%
25/4 M 15 3.39%
25/4 LTM 37 8.37%
28/1.9 LTM 24 5.43%
28/2 M 26 5.88%
28/3.5 LTM 48 10.86%
35/1.2 II 28 6.33%
35/1.2 I 35 7.92%
35/1.4 MC 29 6.56%
35/1.4 SC 20 4.52%
35/1.7 M 13 2.94%
35/1.7 LTM 39 8.82%
35/2.5 M 42 9.50%
35/2.5 LTM 64 14.48%
40/1.4 MC 30 6.79%
40/1.4 SC 28 6.33%
50/1.1 M 23 5.20%
50/1.5 M 55 12.44%
50/1.5 LTM 50 11.31%
50/2 M 15 3.39%
50/2 LTM 10 2.26%
50/2.5 LTM 38 8.60%
50/3.5 LTM 21 4.75%
75/1.8 M 25 5.66%
75/2.5 LTM 47 10.63%
90/3.5 LTM 19 4.30%
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Old 11-12-2015   #41
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Of the 10 with more than 10%, only one M mount (the 1.5/50) features.

Could it be that just more people have experience with the ltm as they've been in the field longer, or do people genuinely prefer them due to their size, mount versatility, or other characteristics?

Consider the 4/21, three times as many people prefer the ltm over the m mount. Same with the 1.7/35 and the 4.5/15's. Interesting.
In my case I mostly bought the LTM versions when they were the only option, and I've seen no reason to upgrade to their later M-mount equivalents.
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interesting distribution of votes here in this thread.

For what it's worth, I only voted for one lens, the 50/1.5M. Being a favorite focal length and offering a nice blend of speed, rendering, contrast, sharpness, and size\weight it was an easy choice for me.

The new 35 Ultron does look intriguing, especially after seeing Vince's wonderful shots with it. Also, the 15 VIII has always made me curious, but figure it would just be too wide knowing how much I generally end up cropping my 8mm I have on my fuji aps-c.
I also currently own a 28/2 Ultron that I quite like but find I dont use too often.
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I wonder if this poll is more about what people own vs. favorites.
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I wonder if this poll is more about what people own vs. favorites.
In my case they are the same thing, having sold the ones I didn't like...
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In my case they are the same thing, having sold the ones I didn't like...
Right, I figured people would say that, but is each one you kept a favorite (preferred before all others of the same kind)?
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surely the majority of people here have never owned or used all of the CV lenses.
As such, people can only judge by specifications or examples of pictures taken with the lenses. People then use that information to help them select a lens to buy.

If someone likes a lens enough to actually buy it, there has to be a reason. One could argue that right there makes it a favorite, even without actually having any first hand experience with the lens.

So sure, this poll is somewhat biased by what people own, however, the fact that people do own this lens is an indicator that it was "favorite" enough from the CV lineup to have bought it in the first place.

having said that, i currently own a couple CV's, have played with some others, considered buying others, and the only ONE I voted for was noted above. Not surprisingly, it is one that i still own.



The theory above about LTM's taking more of the vote share compared to the newer M's I think is accurate as well. Considering this fact further, I think that makes the presence of a newer M lens really noteworthy since it's been on the market for a shorter time and at a relatively higher cost to buy today. Despite those handicaps it still ranks highly.
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One thing I never considered until looking at this poll is the sheer variety of the Cosina Voigtlander product line ... I never realized that they released so many different lenses!
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I wonder if this poll is more about what people own vs. favorites.
I voted for one I've used but don't own.

Didn't vote for the one I own - the 2.5/35 M, its a very nice competent lens, but not really 'wow' special.
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Own 15 (first one), 21f4 in M mount and 35f1.2. My favorite is the 35f1.2 as I am realizing I just don't go wider then 35.
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I wonder if this poll is more about what people own vs. favorites.
just my thoughts, and also which focal lengths one prefers
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In my case they are the same thing, having sold the ones I didn't like...
which makes me curious and think that turning around the question could be more revealing: which Voigtlander lens do you NOT like, and why?

I have 4.5/15, 4/21 and 4/25 and like them all, the 15 and 25 are LTM versions, the 21 is in M mount which has a bit bigger body but I prefer it's handling
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I have four CV lenses and rather than just voting for what I have I forced myself to "narrow" down my choices to three (LoL): 15/4.5, 35/1.7 and 35/2.5, all LTM.

I noticed that LTM seems to have done better in this unscientific poll than their M lenses. I guess they've been around longer, though I really wish CV still produced some of them and had also kept producing the Bessa-R.
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I like 28/3.5 and 50/2.5 as my compact and versatile travel/walkaround lens set.

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I wonder if this poll is more about what people own vs. favorites.
I took my time and voted only now, for 25 f4 M.

It is not just lens I own, but lens which opened new opportunities for me. Something which was growing on me and after getting of this lens it worked right away. I've had some CV lenses and going to try some, for practical reasons, but 25/4 M is the special one for me.
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I wonder if this poll is more about what people own vs. favorites.
that is kinda the case with me since the 4/21 in ltm is the only CV lens I own. That being said, out of the whole lens line-up it was the one that was so appealing I went out and bought it brand new. It is for sure my favorite CV lens not only for its size, handling, build quality, and excellent optics, but also because there was no better alternative to it. Leitz, Ricoh, and Rokkor ltm 21s all cost too much for what they are, so the COLOR-SKOPAR was a no-brainer.

If I didn't already have more than enough camera lenses to keep me busy I would definitely look into getting the 1.5/50 ltm, and the 3.5/28. The build and ergos of the 3.5/28 are particularly appealing.

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From a sales standpoint, the M mount Voigtlander lens have proved far more popular than the LTM versions
- that is why the LTM versions were discontinued.

Add to that many M mount lenses far outperform the LTM versions
and were never made in M mount versions ... such as

10/5.6 M - not released yet
12/5.6 M II - not released yet
15/4.5 M III
21/1.8 M
35/1.2 M only - both versions
35/1.7 M - much better than the LTM
40/1.4 M only
50/1.1 M only
50/1.5 M version - improved over LTM
75/1.8 M only

It would seem that we simply have a lot of LTM fans at RFF
which is strongly skewing the voting
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It would seem that we simply have a lot of LTM fans at RFF
which is strongly skewing the voting
Plus how would you vote for a lens as being favorite if you don't own it? i.e., the result is skewed based on which lenses are owned by someone (I assume that unless you tried all of them you wouldn't be able to select which one is your favorite, right?).
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If Ultron 35 M is much better than LTM it could be two things.
One - M version is most superior 35 in LTM, M.
Or Two - LTM Ultron isn't great lens at all.
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If Ultron 35 M is much better than LTM it could be two things.
One - M version is most superior 35 in LTM, M.
Or Two - LTM Ultron isn't great lens at all.
or Three
The M mount version is a completely new improved optical formula compared to the 35/1.7 LTM lens (correct)
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....Add to that many M mount lenses far outperform the LTM versions...
I once had taken a similar photo with my LTM 4.5/15 and M 4/21, both on digital, Ricoh GXR M with APS-C sensor..of an infamous old movie theatre in downtown Osaka, see:

the 4/21 Skopar:


the 4/15 Heliar:


and noticed that the 21mm handled the electrical lights better

the 100% crops, the Skopar:


and Heliar:


ever since I have been wondering if this is due to 15mm vs. 21mm, or due to the 21mm, being a later M, having better coating as compared to the older LTM 15mm, or..?
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I voted for the 35mm/1.2 version 1. I've never used the version 2 but everything that I've heard about it has been positive. I also have a 15mm version 1 which I like a lot, but I realized that after I voted I could of selected multiple lenses.

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I have the 28/1.9 LTM, 40/1.4 SC, 50/1.5 LTM and 75/2.5 LTM. The three LTM lens are fantastic lens, I sold the 75 and missed it so much I picked up another.

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I once had taken a similar photo with my LTM 4.5/15 and M 4/21, both on digital, Ricoh GXR M with APS-C sensor..of an infamous old movie theatre in downtown Osaka, see:

and noticed that the 21mm handled the electrical lights better

ever since I have been wondering if this is due to 15mm vs. 21mm, or due to the 21mm, being a later M, having better coating as compared to the older LTM 15mm, or..?
Some LTM and M Voigtlander lenses have the same formula. Those include the 12/5.6, 15/4.5, 21/4, 25/4, 35/2.5, 50/1.5, 50/2 LTM versions and the first versions of their M counterparts.

Some lenses were made in LTM only: 28/1.9, 28/1.9, 50/2.5, 50/3.5, 75/2.5, 90/3.5
Although they have their big fans today, all of these were discontinued due to relatively poor sales.

One was made in both LTM and M, both with completely different optical formula: 35/1.7.

Some were made in only: 35/1.4, 40/1.4

Recent M only versions have improved optical designs for digital sensors: 10/5.6 (not released yet), 12/5.6 III (not released yet), 15/4.5 III, 21/1.8 (M only), 35/1.2 (M only), 35/1.7 M (completely different optical formula compared to the LTM version).

The difference in your pics was most likely the difficulty your 1st version 15/4.5 LTM lens had with the Ricoh's sensor. The same pic taken with the current Version III lens will likely be better than the 21/4.

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My LTMs have functionally been M lenses since the time they arrived -- don't believe the adapters have ever been off. And now they are being used on a Sony A6000 in addition to Leicas.
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I've owned a bunch of CV lenses over the years as well and for the most part I really enjoyed them all for different reasons, but there were a few standouts to me.

The 28mm f/1.9 was the first CV lens I bought about 10 years ago (unfortunately I sold it) and I was really impressed with its character and rendering style. When I tried the 28 f/2 updated version I found I didn't care for it as much, but it still had a good look in its own right.

The 21mm f/4 I wanted to love because it was so tiny! I loved the size of it and I could tell it was ultra sharp in the center, but it just didn't play nice on digital (and at the time I didn't have a film M body around).

The 35 f/2.5 (M) was a really enjoyable lens to use when I had my Bessa R2, I really loved how crisp it rendered everything.

The 50 f/1.5 (LTM) was superb! What a beautiful look! Plus the lens itself looked gorgeous to me. I have not yet tried the new version but I'd rather just buy another LTM one personally. I miss this lens.

The 50 f/1.1 was fun to work with and an interesting challenge, but unfortunately I managed to break mine before I really got to know it well.

The 35 f/1.2 II I have now and it's taken me a little while to warm up to it (mostly due to the size) but to be honest now that I'm learning how it works I am quite impressed with the lens. I also like that it adapts nicely to my Sony system as well.

The 21 f/1.8 I haven't had a chance to try but it's on its way to me and I'm quite excited!

Keep it up CV!
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The 21mm f/4 I wanted to love because it was so tiny! I loved the size of it and I could tell it was ultra sharp in the center, but it just didn't play nice on digital
Not sure which digital body you refer to, but it works well on the crop sensor cameras: M8 and R-D1.
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I once had taken a similar photo with my LTM 4.5/15 and M 4/21, both on digital, Ricoh GXR M with APS-C sensor..of an infamous old movie theatre in downtown Osaka, see:

the 4/21 Skopar:


the 4/15 Heliar:


and noticed that the 21mm handled the electrical lights better

the 100% crops, the Skopar:


and Heliar:


ever since I have been wondering if this is due to 15mm vs. 21mm, or due to the 21mm, being a later M, having better coating as compared to the older LTM 15mm, or..?
The flare around the lights could be caused by internal reflections off the back of the lens body. Check out the research and development done at the little Miyamoto factory that produces mount adapters. You have to mouse over the images to see the effect of the reflection mask.
http://homepage2.nifty.com/rayqual/L_MMA.html
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My 1st CV lens was the original 15mm LTM, then I got the 21mm f/4 LTM, then the 28mm 1.9 LTM. Then the 35mm f/2.5 M pancake.

The 21mm is by far my favorite. Hardly ever leaves my IIIF. Caused me to buy an expensive Leicavit !
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My favorite is the LTM 75. It fits the way I see very well, and it's a good lens.

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From a sales standpoint, the M mount Voigtlander lens have proved far more popular than the LTM versions
- that is why the LTM versions were discontinued.

Add to that many M mount lenses far outperform the LTM versions
and were never made in M mount versions ... such as

10/5.6 M - not released yet
12/5.6 M II - not released yet
15/4.5 M III
21/1.8 M
35/1.2 M only - both versions
35/1.7 M - much better than the LTM
40/1.4 M only
50/1.1 M only
50/1.5 M version - improved over LTM
75/1.8 M only

It would seem that we simply have a lot of LTM fans at RFF
which is strongly skewing the voting
I own 3 Voigtlander LTM currently so I may have been one of those that skewed the voting. I would not want to buy the 50/1.5 M version since the I find the LTM version an excellent lens. I had a 75/2.5, sold it moved on to the 75/1.8 then after using it awhile I realized I enjoyed the images as well as the size of the 75/2.5 LTM much better. The 75/1.8 was sold and I picked up a used 75/2.5 and have not been disappointed at all. I picked up the 28/1.9 and have enjoyed the images that it produces and have no plans to replace it.

I purchased the original 75/2.5 I owned, the 75/1.8, 50/1.5 and 28/1.9 all from Cameraquest and have always appreciated your service and fast delivery! The second 75/2.5 I picked up used from a third party a mint copy and the price was mint as well .

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I've had the 15/2.5 in LTM for like 15 years. I shot everything with it for the first couple of years. The super-wide look got old for me after a while so I stopped using it very much. Now I find its a great walk around lens for the crop-sensor Fuji. The combination is so small and light you feel like you aren't carrying anything. The less-wide focal length equivalent to me seems more useful. I'm sure the new M version is better, but for regular pictorial use the original is just fine.

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My favorite is the Color-Skopar 50mm f/2.5 in black on a Leica II, III or IIIc, by far my most used lens. You can carry it with you all the time, it is fast to use and it performs nicely.

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I agree with Erik ^^^. I use the Skopar 50/2.5 a LOT on my IIIc.

On the question of preference and ownership, I've owned and sold the Nokton 50/1.5 (LTM), Ultron 37/1.7 (LTM), 75/2.5, Snapshot Skopar 25/4.0, Skopar 35/2.5 (LTM), Skopar 35/2.5 (M mount), and Ultron 28/2.0. Some of these I sold b/c I didn't get on with the focal length. Others I sold b/c the ergonomics/size bothered me. Others I sold because I was thinning the herd. All of these were nice lenses in their own ways. The two I've kept, still use, and probably will never part with are the Skopar 50 and the Skopar 28/3.5: I love the optics, the small size, and the incredible build quality, and they suit my photographic interests. So, for those reasons, they're my favorites.

One CV lens which I don't own, and haven't used, but am very interested in, might someday acquire, and therefore could become a favorite is the 40/2.0 MC version. I've seen some very impressive work with this lens, and I happen to like the 40 focal length.
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Old 01-12-2016   #78
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On the question of preference and ownership, I've owned and sold the Nokton 50/1.5 (LTM), Ultron 37/1.7 (LTM), 75/2.5, Snapshot Skopar 25/4.0, Skopar 35/2.5 (LTM), Skopar 35/2.5 (M mount), and Ultron 28/2.0. Some of these I sold b/c I didn't get on with the focal length. Others I sold b/c the ergonomics/size bothered me. ....
Well, I'm sure glad you sold me your 28/2, Steve. I feel that lens in combination with 75/1.8 or 50/1.1 would get me through anything. All other lenses are "cream on the cake"

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Old 01-13-2016   #79
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I really like the little Skopars in 21 and 25 (LTM mount, so I flexibility on which bodies to use). The 25/4 in particular pretty much lives on my XPro1 as a small walk-around 35 equivalent.

The old 35/1.7 ultron was a peach as well.

I just keep hoping for a slightly faster 24/25 that keeps small size a priority.
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Old 01-22-2016   #80
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I can only speak for the ones I have used:

35/2.5 Color Skopar
Mine is the LTM pancake (PI) version. Superb image quality, small, and very short focus throw. It's a great lens for general purpose. Very cheap secondhand. I see absolutely no reason to upgrade to a much more expensive Leica lens.

35/1.2 Nokton (Ver 1)
Fantastic lens. Although it's big/heavy this isn't a lens I would use for general walkabouts so that's not an issue for me. Plus, it's only big/heavy compared to tiny RF lenses - a dSLR user wouldn't even consider this as a big lens.

50/1.5 Nokton (Ver 1)
Mine is the ltm version. Very good quality. I see no reason to seek out a Leica 50 1.4 for marginal improvement at a much greater cost.

21/4 Skopar
Was quite nice on my M8 but I'm a bit unsure how it'll work on my M-E (hasn't arrived yet). I've conflicting reports about this lens on digital M. It's a really nice small lens though and I have no need for faster than f4 at this focal length. I got mine extremely cheap used as it had a small chip in the front element. So performance for cost is high.
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