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Can you recommend an affordable computer for photography?
Old 10-26-2015   #1
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Can you recommend an affordable computer for photography?

Damn!

I knew this day was coming and I would rather have my teeth pulled out one by one with a pair of vise grips!

My old Dell computer just crashed my email (Mozilla Thunderbird) and the C drive is constantly on the edge of being full until I can transfer files to the D drive. Windows XP is now banned for the future... Thank you oh mighty microsoft .. Up yours! I just replaced the power supply unit.

So now the problem is to begin researching a replacement to do a professional level of photography. I am even entertaining a Mac system. Yeah, I will be screwed either way but that is reality so I will deal with it.

All I want to do is take photographs and put together documentaries. I hate computers now after 40years and 50+ systems!!! CADD, yes, blame my arm surgery and continuing nerve damage pain on both arms to CADD! So, not wanting to be a geek on computers or software, I have no idea what is a good system with enough horsepower and storage to do what I do now with my old Dell, XP, LR3 and CS2.

Damned software replacement will be much very expensive by itself!

Did I say I hated computers? Let me reiterate. I hate computers!

Now to deal with it. #%€£%#!!!

Any help from you knowledgable folks will be greatly appreciated!
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I share your feelings toward computers. After they became necessary for photography I got a refurbished iMac from Apple. The 4GB ram and 500GB HD are adequate for me and the computer has been trouble free for over three years. Love (well, like) the Magic Mouse, wireless keyboard and small footprint.
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Dave, if you already have a suitable monitor and USB mouse and keyboard, a Mac Mini is an affordable option. The Mac Mini is essentially a notebook computer in a different form factor, sans peripherals. I've found mine to be 100% rock solid reliable.

No problems running Lightroom and CS.
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iMac basic:
1.6GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 processor
Turbo Boost up to 2.7GHz
8GB of onboard memory, configurable up to 16GB
1TB hard drive1
Intel HD Graphics 6000
1920-by-1080 sRGB display

$1,099.00

If you qualify only $52,76 a month. Get Lightroom and Photoshop as part of the Creative Cloud Photography plan for only $9.99/mo.

You could spend more, or less, but this option is not bad. I would probably spend the money and go with 16GB of memory.

The Mac will read your old drives, and will run cheap substitutes for Office.
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iMac basic:
1.6GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 processor
Turbo Boost up to 2.7GHz
8GB of onboard memory, configurable up to 16GB
1TB hard drive1
Intel HD Graphics 6000
1920-by-1080 sRGB display

$1,099.00

If you qualify only $52,76 a month. Get Lightroom and Photoshop as part of the Creative Cloud Photography plan for only $9.99/mo.

You could spend more, or less, but this option is not bad. I would probably spend the money and go with 16GB of memory.

The Mac will read your old drives, and will run cheap substitutes for Office.
Thanks, Fred.

16gb... That is like Ram? I hope so as the permanent hard drives need to be huge! Oh, just noticed that is storage. What to do about permanent storage?
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Sounds like you got more than enough usage out of your current box.

My suggestion is to find a smart local kid who'll build you a system. I did this for several folks over the years when I was in college, and charged them a nominal fee - usually older musicians who wanted a high-end recording PC, as that was my specialty. A smokin' computer setup can be had for around $600-800 depending on specs. Haven't priced anything out lately but that's usually about what it'll cost, if you keep it relatively simple and focus on the basics. Windows 7 64-bit is fantastic.

If you want to spend more money for the same thing or worse, feel free to buy into the Mac ecosystem.
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If you're considering a Mac, I'd recommend a retina-display iMac with SSD or fusion drive. Editing photos with an SSD and high-resolution display is wonderful, and the new models have a greatly improved color response. There is now a 21" retina iMac; it starts at $1500 but don't buy the base spinning disc, get the fusion or SSD!
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Sorry to hear about the OOS problems. I stopped IT work a while back as I was on the edge of similar bodily problems after working on and off in IT since the '80's.

A used MacMini or iMac are good options for casual use. Max out the RAM, then make sure you have good back-up support i.e external drives, as the cooling is a bit naff on both these models and I have seen them die of heat stroke in solid commercial use.

If you are certain you will be doing commercial volumes of image processing something like a used 2008 MacPro would be better due to it's superior cooling design. Such a machine is in the $600-1500 price range these days. Add more RAM (say +6GB of cheap 2GB matched sticks) and replace the old hard drives with some new SSD's.

Mac OSX 10.4.11 upwards (e.g. 10.6-10.11) will have no problems reading your old Windows NTFS volumes once you plug these drives into your new (old) Mac and transferring your files, and as you already have your email on Thunderbird you just need to download a Mac Thunderbird client to import your messages.

NeoOffice is a cheap MS Office replacement.

I go even cheaper: a Mirror-Drive Door G4 Mac for $1.00, maxed out the RAM (2GB), 2x SSD hard disks on a SATA card, replace the fans with new variable speed quiet types. I use OSX 10.4.11 and the TenFoxFour web browser - a port of Firefox 38. I used to use Photoshop CS3 but have reverted to Photoshop 7 as I don't really do much digital. I have another Mac set up to boot OS9 for my SCSI scanners.

If you only want to run CS3 there's no need to spend big $ on a computer.
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Thanks, Fred.

16gb... That is like Ram? I hope so as the permanent hard drives need to be huge! Oh, just noticed that is storage. What to do about permanent storage?
That is ram, the hard drive is really as big as one should have, more should be backed up on external drives, or the cloud.
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It so much depends on what one is doing....I have no huge RAW files so $100 board with a dual-core Celeron, boosted by small SSD for OS and topped with silent 5400rpm data volume, is plentiful for my scanning, occasional Sigma SPP conversions and GIMP driven .jpg editing.

I realize this is as low as it gets (no, I could go with a tablet, if not scanning) but it works for me. I don't need power I'll not use or maybe use in distant future (for that there will be another computer, these things depreciate fast). Also like fact it's content with 60W, display including (it's running in old case with old PSU, so I could sqeeze out another watts by using Pico PSU or like that, but not sure how much I would save on that). Ancient PC I used draw 180W idle, plus display.
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I know nothing about Macs, but I know from reading posts like above that a lot of people swear by them. So I wouldn't put them down.

How much do you plan on spending for a Windows solution, if you go that way? If you can find a reliable person, Corran's advice is good, and there are some enhancements you could purchase, such as drive docks.
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Dave, if you already have a suitable monitor and USB mouse and keyboard, a Mac Mini is an affordable option. The Mac Mini is essentially a notebook computer in a different form factor, sans peripherals. I've found mine to be 100% rock solid reliable.

No problems running Lightroom and CS.
i love my mac mini!
i use it with a big screen monitor and apple keyboard...and 2 external drives for backup.
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Thanks guys!!! Lots to think about and it seems that $1500 is about where the hardware will wind up in cost. LR and PS are about all I need outside of email and safari.
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Good luck, Dave. It will work out in the end. Hang in there.
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Apples are overpriced, just stick with Windows.
Just get a recent intel i5 processor (5000 or 6000 series), 16Gb internal (8Gb could be enough if money is tight) and a SSD harddrive - really, that SSD is the best investment for photography.. Get Win10. I put my money were my mouth is, this is my system.

If yyou don't use the file management system of LR3, take a look at RawTherapee.
Paint Shop Pro is cheaper then PS, but just as powerful and it seems the latest version is fast enough.

Finally, Tom Northrup recently had a video on computers: Which computer for Photo & Video Editing?
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I highly recommend Mac. Refurb Mac from Apple, buy a used one.

More recent the better. For photography, you'll want 8GB of ram, and 16 would be even better. The all-in-one iMacs are great. If you already have a good monitor, get a MacMini (recent with enough memory).
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Don't forget Dave if your going to process your own B&W film you will need a film scanner. You can probably find a good Windows desktop pretty cheap since like me, money is a factor. I've decided to scale back, sell off some stuff & build up a nice SLR kit to shoot my documentary work.

John Free shoots & has used Nikon F's & now a Nikon F3 for 40 years. I have realized one doesn't need an expensive Leica or several thousand dollars worth of gear to make good photographs.
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Another vote for a windows 10 system. Store pics on a $100 portable 1 terabyte hard drive. Install your present software if you like it. Be sure the vertical and horizontal resolution of the monitor is sufficient to use the advanced features of your software.
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Another vote for a windows 10 system. Store pics on a $100 portable 1 terabyte hard drive. Install your present software if you like it. Be sure the vertical and horizontal resolution of the monitor is sufficient to use the advanced features of your software.
A good suggestion. Many windows users I know are actually really excited to finally have the new os. Personally I'm in apple ecosystem. Windows 10 might interest me if I was starting again... Lot's of inexpensive hardware choices. Apple is great but admittedly it cost more. Do you get more? I would say yes but it's debatable. As to offline/inline storage. Actually I was at Costco with my mom over the weekend. Seagate now has a 5terra usb3 drive for $140. 3terra is $89 ... Also usb3. I've used these seagate drives for years now. It's good gear.
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Apples are overpriced, just stick with Windows.
Just get a recent intel i5 processor (5000 or 6000 series), 16Gb internal (8Gb could be enough if money is tight) and a SSD harddrive - really, that SSD is the best investment for photography.. Get Win10. I put my money were my mouth is, this is my system.

If yyou don't use the file management system of LR3, take a look at RawTherapee.
Paint Shop Pro is cheaper then PS, but just as powerful and it seems the latest version is fast enough.

Finally, Tom Northrup recently had a video on computers: Which computer for Photo & Video Editing?
Just worked out my imac is from mid 2010 cost £900, fast bootup works like it was when new. When I was still using windows I would reformat my drives every 6 months just to get the computer running at a reasonable speed. I run lightroom, photoshop cc and photomechanic all run very smooth and fast.
Try running a 6 year old windows machine, maybe macs are more expensive when new but in my opinion much better value for money.
Oh and viruses are no big deal on a mac.
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When I was still using windows I would reformat my drives every 6 months just to get the computer running at a reasonable speed.
Running both stock and custom-built PC's for over 15 years and I've never, ever had this kind of issue. Friends/clients that report such problems usually stuffed their main HDD up to 98% capacity or tried to run new tech or high-end software with low-spec machines and say it's "the computer's fault."

A properly-built and tuned system will run perfectly, regardless of OS. I built my latest Win7 box over 3 years ago and it's still running like the day I first booted it.
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Apples are overpriced.
Actually there is no way to tell if they are overpriced. They cost what they cost.

Apple is like Leica, if you want a digital RF, currently you buy Leica. If you want to run OS X and Apple software like Final Cut Pro, then you buy an Apple computer.

Sure other cameras take photos, and other computers run operating systems. Right now there are lots of cameras, and lots of computers, but there are no alternatives to Apple or Leica.
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If you want to run OS X and Apple software like Final Cut Pro, then you buy an Apple computer.
Slight correction - you can technically run OSX on any computer (commonly called a Hackintosh). It's all the same under the hood, after Apple abandoned PPC chips.

It might not be simple (or legal?) but you can do it...
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Slight correction - you can technically run OSX on any computer (commonly called a Hackintosh). It's all the same under the hood, after Apple abandoned PPC chips.

It might not be simple (or legal?) but you can do it...
And you can probably take a Canon 6D and stuff it inside a Yashica Minister instead of buying a Leica digital camera, but let's be serious here.
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On whether to buy Windows or Mac: If you are computer inclined/knowledgable, then buy Windows. The greater your computer illiteracy, the stronger the argument for Mac. Just my opinion.


An analogy is fsu camera gear vs Japanese/German camera gear. If you have camera repair skills, go ahead and buy fsu gear.
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but let's be serious here.
I am! Many thousands of people have built and use Hackintosh computers, while the number of folks stuffing digital camera guts inside old rangefinders can be counted on one hand. Not that I recommend it - I can't understand why anyone would prefer such a terrible OS, but whatever floats your boat!
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You know craigslsit can reveal some very good buys..
Apple-onians like to adopt new products and often shove off their former kit on CL.
The present release of the new iMac21 may send a bunch of nice gear to the marketplace.
It's not unusual to find good deals on Used Macs.
Applecare is transferable and if you find something priced right with 12-18 months of warranty left on it you could be set.


These iMacs do seem to have good components. (although that statement is sure to be blasted by others).
I gave my Dad my old 24" iMac after adopting a 27" in '2014. It's still cruising along.
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I am! Many thousands of people have built and use Hackintosh computers, while the number of folks stuffing digital camera guts inside old rangefinders can be counted on one hand. Not that I recommend it - I can't understand why anyone would prefer such a terrible OS, but whatever floats your boat!
Frankly OS7 through 9 was an amazingly interesting OS, but when Apple switched to BSD and then Intel it truly opened up the machines to a level I never expected, now that even windows runs native, on Macs.

Why you find UNIX terrible is beyond me, but I guess my history with SGI and even NeXT, long ago made me lose interest in anything else. Even when I bought Dells I ran them on Linux. I, like many, cut my teeth on DOS, but never really used Windows, once I began wanting graphics applications, I just liked Irix better.

But each to his own. Honestly I really know nothing about Windows, I have not seen it for over ten years.
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I'm right there with you regarding DOS. I spent much of my youth tooling around in DOS and programming simple stuff in QBasic, but while I was a quick study in the tech field and was heavily encouraged to go that direction professionally, music and the arts were my passion and that's where I went.

I've honestly never heard anyone refer to an OS as "interesting" and I'm not really sure what you mean by that. The nuts & bolts of it I couldn't care less about, but the usability and transparency of an OS is what I'm about - and that's what I find annoying about OSX and better about Windows. Just like I can't stand the interface of Canon cameras while Nikon cameras give me what I need where I need it to shoot without issue.
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Dave, there's a substantial set of clones of the Apple Cinema screen available in the US.

In The Netherlands, I was lucky to pick up a 27" Iiyama screen that is built from many Apple-used components, but was a whole lot cheaper than the 27" Apple screen.

Where the Apple screen went close to EUR 1400, I paid under EUR 400 for the similar Iiyama screen. The 27" Monoprice screen listed in this article will set you back USD 349, with free shipping from Amazon.

My screen is connected to a Mac Mini with 8GB RAM, and it gets the job done running Lightroom 4.x and Photoshop CS2, and OpenOffice.

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Never had to use windows much, cannot really critique it.
Mac since 1990. Graphics work. Typography, then photoshop.
I tried linux, but I never really got into the Terminal thing, and the gimp is limited to 8bit.
Someone will say 8bit is good enough, and even be right enough. But 16 bit is better.
And the Mac OS is still a close cousin to linux: you can still play around in the terminal.

I use a 2011, 21,5 inch iMac, 16gb Ram. As long as I keep enough space on my primary disk, it works fine. If you shoot raw, and a lot, you might consider some serious storage. And backups.

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mini Mac w. fusion drive, lowest amount of RAM from Apple and upgrade 2x8Gb yourself, watch on youtube how to do it, dead easy without tools. External disc drive, external HD's, just got 6TB WD Mybook USB3 for my better half who is ripping DVD's. My windows machine works ok but in case I'll need a new computer, it will be a mac for sure. Lenovo & windows, no thanks.
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Apples are overpriced, just stick with Windows.
That is a funny statement.

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Actually there is no way to tell if they are overpriced. They cost what they cost.

Apple is like Leica, if you want a digital RF, currently you buy Leica. If you want to run OS X and Apple software like Final Cut Pro, then you buy an Apple computer.

Sure other cameras take photos, and other computers run operating systems. Right now there are lots of cameras, and lots of computers, but there are no alternatives to Apple or Leica.
What photomoof said. This is the correct answer. I switched to Apple years ago and have never looked back. I'm running an imac with snow Leopard, and a 13" Macbook, both with Aperture. If you go with Mac, you will never look back either.
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First, look at the refurbished mac. They come with a one year "Apple Care - Like" coverage that you should never need past the first 180 days. Any time during that one year you can buy a three year Apple Care policy to extend the coverage.

Sadly you need to buy it with all the memory you can as there is no way to upgrade the RAM, it's soldered on. USB 3 is MUCH faster than 2.X and drives are pretty reasonably priced. Apple uses Hybrid drives to give you more storage that responds pretty fast these days, though pure SSD is faster (but a LOT more costly).

While Apple costs more if you have issues you can unplug your mini and bring it into the Apple store nearest you for help from a youngin. They have all the cool toys for diagnosing issues though their approaches are not doing absolutely everything to breath life into stuff (recent experience).

I run Windows and Mac at home because I work in Windows at work (teach Windows Net Admin for second job). Everyone else at home is on a Mac. Even if you know a lot about computers Mac's just let you focus on the task. My oldest prefers AutoCad on the Mac because it works the way he thinks compared to the Windows version.

If you can't find the configuration of Mac Mini you want on line (in the referb store) call them and see if they can find one that's close to what you want.

Microsoft is making it harder and harder for regular geeks to tweak windows the way we could say 10 years ago. Windows 10 is beautiful for some, but frankly it come with way too fancy a user interface for me. Perhaps I'm too old....

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but the usability and transparency of an OS is what I'm about - and that's what I find annoying about OSX and better about Windows.
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Old 10-26-2015   #38
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I'm still on 7 but there's been a Command Prompt in every single Windows ever.
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Old 10-26-2015   #39
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Is there finally a command line in Windows 10?
It's hidden well but it's there. Way too many magical tools that are still command line driven to take it away. I'll take a look tomorrow night on one of my students computers (he's running it for the past two months). Much easier to find on a Mac and much more powerful.

I'm going to load it in a VM or on a separate boot from a USB3 drive. It doesn't offer me a lot of value to switch from 7.

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Old 10-26-2015   #40
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command line in windows terribly hard to find....

Hmmm. Open the Run command and type in "cmd", press enter.

Or, since Windows 7 type "cmd" in the search window.

Wow, that was hard!
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