Go Back   Rangefinderforum.com > Cameras / Gear / Photography > Leicas and other Leica Mount Cameras > Leica SL

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes

Old 10-23-2015   #161
benmacphoto
Registered User
 
benmacphoto's Avatar
 
benmacphoto is offline
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Philadelphia
Age: 29
Posts: 919
I just got home from Photo Plus.
Spent a long time at the Leica booth with the SL, and it is a very impressive camera.
It's robust and has excellent features.
Using some M lenses on it was very easy, as the viewfinder is quite nice.
Menus and controls were nicely laid out.
They had the 24-90 and 90-280 there.
Both lenses are wonderfully constructed, and the 90-280 was surprisingly light weight for it's size and focal length range.

I look forward to more reviews and samples from this camera.
__________________
Instagram

Website
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-23-2015   #162
rbelyell
Registered User
 
rbelyell is offline
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,340
Quote:
Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
Okay, you win. You are ignored now so I don't have to be annoyed by your posts.
Bye.

G
well thats unfortunate. i will not be following suit. even though i find myself disagreeing with you most of the time, i find we seldom learn anything from those who always agree with us. youre obviously an intelligent person, so hopefully i will pick up some knowledge continuing to read your posts.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-23-2015   #163
rbelyell
Registered User
 
rbelyell is offline
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,340
Quote:
Originally Posted by benmacphoto View Post
I just got home from Photo Plus.
Spent a long time at the Leica booth with the SL, and it is a very impressive camera.
It's robust and has excellent features.
Using some M lenses on it was very easy, as the viewfinder is quite nice.
Menus and controls were nicely laid out.
They had the 24-90 and 90-280 there.
Both lenses are wonderfully constructed, and the 90-280 was surprisingly light weight for it's size and focal length range.

I look forward to more reviews and samples from this camera.
given leicas history of providing hardware soecifically for M lens use, i find thinking about this particular camera for that purpose really interesting. did you find an advantage using M lenses with this camera over say the M9 or the 240?
thanks in advance.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-23-2015   #164
giganova
Registered User
 
giganova is offline
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 800
Quote:
Originally Posted by borge View Post
Seeing as 99.9% of the most iconic and important B&W work since photography was invented was done with an optical viewfinder, I can't really agree with your statement.
Yes, and 99.9% of all transportation before the invetion of trains and cars was done by horse.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-23-2015   #165
benmacphoto
Registered User
 
benmacphoto's Avatar
 
benmacphoto is offline
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Philadelphia
Age: 29
Posts: 919
Quote:
Originally Posted by rbelyell View Post
given leicas history of providing hardware soecifically for M lens use, i find thinking about this particular camera for that purpose really interesting. did you find an advantage using M lenses with this camera over say the M9 or the 240?
thanks in advance.
I only had a few lenses with me, so I can't speak fully about using M lenses with the camera.
But it felt great in the hand with my 35mm pre ASPH Summilux.
The viewfinder, while not a bright optical M finder, is a great electric viewfinder.
And in my opinion, not a comprise or downfall.
The viewfinder has tons of useful info in the display.
And the viewfinder was very responsive when manual focusing an M lens.

Image quality and processor speed trump anything else Leica has ever presented for a digital M user.
Though we'll see how wide lenses such as a 28mm Summicron or 21mm Super Elmar perform on it.
And if video use is something you're interested in, the 4k straight from the camera is beautiful.
So some major advantages for this camera over past ones for M users as far as image quality is concerned.
I could see it living happily side by side my other M cameras.
__________________
Instagram

Website
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-23-2015   #166
Emile de Leon
Registered User
 
Emile de Leon is offline
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 473
No tilting screen...too bad..
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-23-2015   #167
Lss
Registered User
 
Lss is offline
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,724
Quote:
Originally Posted by rbelyell View Post
given leicas history of providing hardware soecifically for M lens use, i find thinking about this particular camera for that purpose really interesting.
So, the size of the camera body is not a showstopper for M lens use?
__________________
Lasse
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-23-2015   #168
Lss
Registered User
 
Lss is offline
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,724
Quote:
Originally Posted by Emile de Leon View Post
No tilting screen...too bad..
Yep, this would certainly be useful.
__________________
Lasse
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-23-2015   #169
YouAreHere
Registered User
 
YouAreHere's Avatar
 
YouAreHere is offline
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 123
Quote:
Originally Posted by Emile de Leon View Post
No tilting screen...too bad..

Has there been any Leica digital camera that had such a feature?
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-23-2015   #170
uhoh7
Registered User
 
uhoh7 is offline
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,799
Quote:
Originally Posted by Emile de Leon View Post
No tilting screen...too bad..
If you like them and use them it is too bad, although at least it is touch, which the Sony's no longer have (mine doesn't).

Nice for angles and even to add cooling. But vulnerable. I've grown to like the little M9 display, because it does the basics, but is very tough. I drag my bodies on small backcountry motorcycles often. I never had a Nex last a season. I protect my A7 with a case that precludes opening.

But that's just me, and I should use my tilt screen on the A7.mod more. For video it's often useful. I used my old PD-170 tilt screen all the time filming weddings

Quote:
Originally Posted by benmacphoto View Post
Though we'll see how wide lenses such as a 28mm Summicron or 21mm Super Elmar perform on it.
I'll bet those two are very good. Already on the Kolari modded A7 they are fine. Some of the quirkier ones, like the CV 21/4, anything really wide and short, well I'd expect less than film-level performance there.

For example here is the SEM 21 on the A7.mod:

Light up the leaves by unoh7, on Flickr

No fancy color correction there, nearly straight out of the camera. On a Sony LOL So the SL, I would think, should be better yet, as is the 240 and M9. But you can see the Sony with the thick sensor cover stripped off is no slouch with the SEM 21 ZM18, 28cron, even ZM 35/2 are basically great with the Kolari. Biggest issue is finding the critcal focus with the lower rez EVF. No infinity stop to help. Infinity should be as good as any M on SL. A reliable infinity stop for multiple M lenses is not possible with the A7 in any form. Even with an adapter, as the lenses vary slightly in the E mount, or mine seem to.

For those who want a really affordable FF M body, you get a used a7 for less than 700 and spend 400 on the Mod. You end up with a very good camera, really, for under 1100USD
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-23-2015   #171
Emile de Leon
Registered User
 
Emile de Leon is offline
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 473
I just love a fully articulated screen...opens up all the angles and saves my aging neck..esp for video on a tripod..
Dont care for the Sony A7 screen all that much..just tilts..
I just got a Lumix G7..and its touch and fully articulated screen really is nice for such a inexpensive and fully 4k ready cam..
Kind of surprised Leica hasn't done this yet..esp with this SL..as its touted for video usage..
But maybe they want you to hook it up to an external monitor..
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-24-2015   #172
rbelyell
Registered User
 
rbelyell is offline
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,340
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lss View Post
So, the size of the camera body is not a showstopper for M lens use?
for me personally? yes it absolutely is. for others, obviously not. no right answer, just personal preference. i know what this cameras disadvantages are imo. i am interested in what people who have used it see as this cameras advantages. thankfully the gentleman provided a very thoughtful and enlightening reply.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-24-2015   #173
Godfrey
somewhat colored
 
Godfrey's Avatar
 
Godfrey is offline
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 7,506
Haven't read it yet, but skimming this review there are some useful photos of the SL and 24-90 lens that let you gauge both the body and lens size accurately.

http://www.mirrorlessons.com/2015/10...nds-on-review/

The body is just right, for me. I was out shooting with the Leicaflex SL this morning and found myself smiling a lot, it feel just right; the SL is within mm of the same size and weight.

The lens is large for me, but not grossly oversized. In proportion, it really does look exactly the same as the FourThirds Vario-Elmarit-D 14-50/2.8-3.5 ASPH, just scaled up,by ten percent or so for FF. I used the FT lens quite a lot.

G
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-24-2015   #174
rbelyell
Registered User
 
rbelyell is offline
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,340
according to B&H, these are the comparative specs:

PanLeica 4/3 14-50/2.8-3.5: 4.6" long, 1.08 lbs, 72mm filter thread, $375
Leica SL 28-90/2.8-4: 5.43" long, 2.5 lbs, 82mm filter thread, $4995

i recently purchased an old panny L1/14-50 vario elmarit. i really like the results, even at 7.5mp. the combo has great clarity, lovely bokeh and perhaps the most intense yet realistic color ive gotten out of a digital. skin tones are awesome. the size of that rig was a great surprise to me, much bigger than i anticipated. my wife, who has seen many rigs come and go, laughed out loud when she saw this one slung around my neck. anyway, though i was very happy with the lens and with the cameras manual controls, i just put it up for sale. just didnt fit physically with where i am personally now with my equipment.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-24-2015   #175
BlackXList
Registered User
 
BlackXList is offline
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 654
Quote:
Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
Why presume? Download and read the manual. :-)

From the manual:
Tap the LV button, spin the dial ... That sets exp comp with the default setup. You can reassign to a favored button.

G
That's actually worse than my presumptions.

Thanks for the clarification though.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-24-2015   #176
Godfrey
somewhat colored
 
Godfrey's Avatar
 
Godfrey is offline
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 7,506
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackXList View Post
That's actually worse than my presumptions.

Thanks for the clarification though.
Hmm? Seems simple enough—the LV button is right by the shutter release and your thumb is right by the dial most of the time. It's how most of my cameras are set up by default with a compensation button (including the D750), works ok.

There may well be other configs too since all these controls are customizable.

G
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-24-2015   #177
Huss
Registered User
 
Huss is offline
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Venice, CA
Posts: 3,301
The real problem Leica is going to face is meeting demand.
They already cannot meet demand for the Q, and from what I have heard from stores is that already there are far more people who want to place orders than what will be available.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-24-2015   #178
MCTuomey
Registered User
 
MCTuomey's Avatar
 
MCTuomey is offline
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: U.S.
Age: 62
Posts: 3,149
Quote:
Originally Posted by uhoh7 View Post
For those who want a really affordable FF M body, you get a used a7 for less than 700 and spend 400 on the Mod. You end up with a very good camera, really, for under 1100USD
Disagree. You end up with a very good sensor in, at best, a middle of the road camera. There is a reason it's $1100.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Huss View Post
The real problem Leica is going to face is meeting demand.
They already cannot meet demand for the Q, and from what I have heard from stores is that already there are far more people who want to place orders than what will be available.
Not surprising, more I read, more compelling it seems.

An aside: pretty sure that Leica will have overcome typically poor mirrorless battery life. That body will surely be able to hold a nice, fat batt.

Edit: looks like the eyecup/EVF placement will help avoid smashing my proboscis into the LCD, otherwise leaving it smeary from nose-oil.
__________________
--Mike (confirmed midget imagist on stilts)

The photographer chances upon a scene that fascinates him. He longs to be a part of it ... recording the scene and including within it his vicarious representative, the participating observer. --- Geoff Dyer

Gear: more than enough, film and digital

My Flickr
  Reply With Quote

Donald Drumpf
Old 10-24-2015   #179
Dektol Dan
Registered User
 
Dektol Dan is offline
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 878
Donald Drumpf

That's his father's original last name. By reading this blog I have decided that the new SL must be the Donald Trump of the new cameras.

I want one.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-24-2015   #180
Dante_Stella
Rex canum cattorumque
 
Dante_Stella's Avatar
 
Dante_Stella is offline
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,496
Dpreview just released the identity of its model.

  Reply With Quote

Old 10-24-2015   #181
uhoh7
Registered User
 
uhoh7 is offline
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,799
Quote:
Originally Posted by Huss View Post
The real problem Leica is going to face is meeting demand.
They already cannot meet demand for the Q, and from what I have heard from stores is that already there are far more people who want to place orders than what will be available.
Obviously they are priced too low

Quote:
Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
Haven't read it yet, but skimming this review there are some useful photos of the SL and 24-90 lens that let you gauge both the body and lens size accurately.

http://www.mirrorlessons.com/2015/10...nds-on-review/
G
Sharing this link now convinces me you are a Sony mole who has us all on ignore.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-26-2015   #182
jsrockit
Moderator
 
jsrockit's Avatar
 
jsrockit is offline
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: NYC
Age: 43
Posts: 17,697
Well, I checked it out the other day and the body is ridiculously nice. The zoom, not so much...just way too big (big like the photo). However, the body is state of the art for mirrorless in every way. They did an excellent job honestly. The EVF is beautiful. I didn't even need focus aids to focus M lenses.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-26-2015   #183
mabelsound
Registered User
 
mabelsound's Avatar
 
mabelsound is offline
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Upstate NY
Age: 46
Posts: 6,157
I'm pleasantly surprised that it's Leica, of all people, who are pushing the EVF standard farther.
__________________
flickr insta twitter
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-26-2015   #184
MCTuomey
Registered User
 
MCTuomey's Avatar
 
MCTuomey is offline
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: U.S.
Age: 62
Posts: 3,149
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsrockit View Post
Well, I checked it out the other day and the body is ridiculously nice. The zoom, not so much...just way too big (big like the photo). However, the body is state of the art for mirrorless in every way. They did an excellent job honestly. The EVF is beautiful. I didn't even need focus aids to focus M lenses.
Thanks for sharing. I figured the SL to be a Q with interchangeable lenses, far too modest an expectation. Putting out a universal M/R lens platform of this kind that has an AF implementation and can stretch to alt lenses from Contax etc - didn't imagine anything of the sort. My hat's off my bald pate.
__________________
--Mike (confirmed midget imagist on stilts)

The photographer chances upon a scene that fascinates him. He longs to be a part of it ... recording the scene and including within it his vicarious representative, the participating observer. --- Geoff Dyer

Gear: more than enough, film and digital

My Flickr
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 04:26.


vBulletin skin developed by: eXtremepixels
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

All content on this site is Copyright Protected and owned by its respective owner. You may link to content on this site but you may not reproduce any of it in whole or part without written consent from its owner.