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Old 10-20-2015   #41
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Well, it has no battery cover:



http://www.dpreview.com/articles/744...yp-601?slide=8

That means Leica encourages people to buy the battery grip.
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Now that's a Texas sized Leica!
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That means Leica encourages people to buy the battery grip.
No, it means that the battery is the cover.
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No, it means that the battery is the cover.
Yeah, and that is the most ludicrous battery design in camera making history.
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Yeah, and that is the most ludicrous battery design in camera making history.
Why? There certainly seems to be an "O" ring seal around the battery.
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They do... but wow, that's a large mirrorless.

hahaha!!

Oh man! Now that I see how big it is I love it
Finally a full size mirrorless for long lenses !
A truly pro mirrorless camera is what it looks like...

Looking forward to what this may springboard in the marketplace.
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Dimesnsions seem to put it right in between an A7 and a 5D. So, big, but not enormous? Also I think that's a woman in the photo; she could be very large of course but might be smaller in stature than you think?
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SL (Typ 601) body: 1.9 lb / 847 g with battery
Vario-Elmarit-SL 24-90mm f/2.8-4: 2.5 lb / 1140 g
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Dimesnsions seem to put it right in between an A7 and a 5D. So, big, but not enormous? Also I think that's a woman in the photo; she could be very large of course but might be smaller in stature than you think?
I think you are right:

http://static1.squarespace.com/stati.../?format=1000w
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24-90mm range for the zoom lens makes it seem credible.

I don't know of any modern zoom lens from others that ends at 90mm.
Nearly 5k for a variable aperture zoom.

They're 'avin a laugh mate.

They are wasting resources into projects like this, imo. And are becoming a joke with these prices, do they really think this camera is going to be successful?
Give us what everyone wants, a cheaper full frame digital M. They would take over the game in an instant.

I would sell my Nikon gear overnight, to get one.

But they keep leaving people like us behind, those that can only buy second hand Leica after saving for years.
If I could buy a full frame M for around 4K mark, why would I buy 2 Fuji bodies wishing they were an M?

No serious pro would buy an M over a 1D or D4S at the same price, or a 5D for half... And almost no hobbyist consumer can afford an M, nor would they when they can buy a plethora of other cameras for much cheaper.
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Huge and still I think it won't win a beauty contest.

Parameters read nicely (perhaps 24 MPix is a tad low today), but the price tag? Well, let's say overwhelming...
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Well it's made to shoot the M glass really well. It's too big for me, not to mention the money, but it seems seriously sturdy, and with much thought behind the design.

If ISO performance is real good maybe they can get by with these zooms in journalistic setting.

A really interesting camera, and if one showed up at my door I'd be delighted
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From the comments on DPREVIEW:

It looks like in Germany they designed it in centimetres, but whoever was manufacturing it in Japan thought it was inches and the camera ended up being two times larger than intended

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/744...yp-601?slide=8
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So I've read into this camera just a bit, and if the video mode offers a full-pixel, downsampled readout at full frame, then maybe the price could be justified, as this will be the only 4K full frame 10-bit video camera on the market (10 bit out, 8 bit internal).
So that's kind of interesting, aside from what is probably a really high quality still camera.

edit: Just wanted to note that both Red and Arri have VistaVision and 65mm sized sensors in their newest cameras, but they exist in a much different market than the new SL from Leica. But the Leica should best the A7SII in terms of video quality if it offers a full pixel readout.
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I can't wait to put my Lomo Minitar pancake lens on that thing.
Or an Asph 28 2.8. It would look like the lens fell off.
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Old 10-20-2015   #56
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It's a small-format S.

A 50mm lens, not to be available for a year, with an 82mm front end…

The price of autofocus is that it requires such humongous lenses?
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The price of high resolution and low aberrations on digital sensors, rather. Look at the Otus.
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EDIT - I feel embarrassed for writing this. My apologies.
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Yeah, and that is the most ludicrous battery design in camera making history.
Same design used on S and T models, for years now. What's ludicrous about it?

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Can I draw attention to how much this guy needed a manicure before this photoshoot?

I with those who say this is a woman...
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All I can say is that Leica is solidifying my love towards the M line (film, mind you).
And Give me all the old lenses with character. They actually contribute to my photography, not killing it like the otus and mastodon new lux.

Well I have to say that I feel the same , which surprises me a little ,but I`m failing to see the point in this latest offering.
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List price of 6.900 € body only. What are they thinking?

Thanks, I´ll take the a7 and a bag of lenses instead. Or two bags.

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Well my local Leica dealer claims that the orders are "rolling in already" ... so what do I know.
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If they have an adapter for Nikon lenses i'll buy 3 of them, thanks
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The front isn't the prettiest but the back looks great so do the displays. The EVF seems to be great so what's not to like except the Price.
Want one but will have to sell one of my Kidneys to be able to afford it
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"body alone is priced at $7450, with its 24-90mm F2.8-4 'kit lens' costing another $4950" - can imagine reaction this will get here

looks bigger than A7 series, will be interesting to see them side by side.
For $4,000 less you can get a Nikon D4S and the new 24-70mm lens with constant f/2.8 and VR tech. Use that $4k to get a 70-200mm and a few fast primes. There's no way a full-time pro would buy this, and/or ditch their Nikon/Canon system for a Leica kit.

This camera is totally unrealistic IMO.
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The size is just insane. It has a larger footprint than some DSLRs. I can't even imagine putting a 35mm F2 ASPH or 24 Elmar on that thing.

If you're considering that size - and price range - already, why not just go for a S?

Leica, all you had to do was take the Q's lens off and replace it with a T mount to earn $4k of my money...instead, this.
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Can I draw attention to how much this guy needed a manicure before this photoshoot?

Nah, it's a woman who has worked all her life with jackhammers and crowbars.
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Well it's made to shoot the M glass really well. It's too big for me, not to mention the money, but it seems seriously sturdy, and with much thought behind the design. )
but only focus peaking as manual focus aid? not even fujis digital split screen? wow, that is one of the big disappointments. back to your homes people, nothin to see here...
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no!

i refuse to believe this is it!


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They do... but wow, that's a large mirrorless.

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I'm not sure I really understand this camera?
Terrifically expensive, in an established niche and quite large body/lenses.
Won't replace an M (unique type of camera).
Or a Sony A7 (size, price).
Or a Nikon D4 (lenses, indestructibility).
I understood the Q.
What is the SL's particular selling point?
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The size is just insane. It has a larger footprint than some DSLRs. I can't even imagine putting a 35mm F2 ASPH or 24 Elmar on that thing.
I'll send cookies to whoever posts the first shot of this SL with a Hektor 28mm f6.3. Manicure optional.
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no!

i refuse to believe this is it!
It has an O-ring seal around the battery thingy. That alone is worth the price..no?
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Right size for what it is: a professional "S Light" model.
My R lenses will work perfectly on it.
New lenses would provide AF and other features.
Price is reasonable, less than my M-P.
Design looks brilliant in the same way the S is brilliant.

Not now, but in the future.

Bravo Leica!

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The photos MUST be misleading regarding size.

Otherwise, Leica went officialy bananas.
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What is the SL's particular selling point?
The lenses, I guess?
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Its quite large, and quite expensive. I do hope to handle one someday. No question its a great-performing camera, etc. But I don't think I'll own one, not anytime soon.

Now, the original SL (the SL-2 actually) has been calling me lately. Between the 1 R lens I own, and an adaptall-2 for my Tamron lenses, I'm thinking of taking an SLR out for a spin again (haven't done that in years). I'll need to pick up the body first. Again, it will not be the new SL, my wife would shoot me, then put my body in the driveway and run it over a few times before dragging it to the dumpster (and who knows what else). You get the picture.......
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Ming Thein with some caveats:
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While I truly love my M-E and hope to keep it for many years, this SL does nothing for me. Not sure I get the market. At $7500 for the body alone, it's just another CMOS sensor camera, and I think I'd save some cash and go with a Nikon D4s. The two zooms listed are both variable aperture, from 2.8 - 4.0. And I suspect they'll be rather costly ($5000 for the 24-90). You can pick up Nikon zooms with a constant 2.8 aperture for less than half that amount. Maybe as a studio camera it makes sense, but I don't get it for a "professional" camera.

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Maybe as a studio camera it makes sense, but I don't get it for a "professional" camera.

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