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Old 10-14-2015   #1
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Sony RX1R II announced

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Well then there is that!
At 35mm and 42mp, cropping down to 50mm pretty much makes this more versatile than a 24mp 50mm version I was hoping to see. (Leica)
If the evf is usable Sony may have just knocked one over the cheap seats.
Wonder what sort of crop modes it has built in?

It still sure looks small for handling purposes.
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I have the RX1r, love that camera. I'm also curious how the viewfinder will work. I don't see myself upgrading as I love the files from the RX1r but this is indeed an interesting camera. I do wish the RX1r had a remote app for firing the shutter without a cable. And a tilt screen!!
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Holy cr*p...this is the camera I've been waiting for!

True 35mm fov (no distortion from 23mm lenses "seeing" 35mm), Zeiss f2 lens, AND...a built-in EVF that folds away (a la RX100III).

It's a little bigger, but this is the modern Contax T3, but better...faster lens, more resolution, Sony-quality video.

I might just sell my M9.
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Hmm...where did the onboard flash go?
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If the AF has been improved, this is certainly an interesting upgrade from the original RX1R even at this price.
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anyone else fear how freaking long we will wait on downloading 100 42mp pictures to lightroom? i only have so much time left on earth you know! ):
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Trust me, with the original RX1R's low light capability, you don't need a flash, unless you're going all "Gilden".
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Trust me, with the original RX1R's low light capability, you don't need a flash, unless you're going all "Gilden".

They are nice in daylight those wee flashes.

I swtched to Fuji XE1's to cover second camera (candids) at events.
Those little tiltable flashes are so handy when the daylight is messing with you!
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Also, if they've resolved the auto zoom "feature" during focus peaking, I may be kicking myself. The RX1R is possibly the best digital camera I've owned.
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They are nice in daylight those wee flashes.

I swtched to Fuji XE1's to cover second camera (candids) at events.
Those little tiltable flashes are so handy when the daylight is messing with you!
With 14 stop dynamic range and high ISO performance of this sensor, you can 'open' the shadows as much as you like in your preferred RAW processor without encountering any noise.
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With 14 stop dynamic range and high ISO performance of this sensor, you can 'open' the shadows as much as you like in your preferred RAW processor without encountering any noise.
Noise is one thing. That HDR look from over reaching DR is another
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Sony!

This is really nice news to read. Apparently there are designers at Sony who had the knowledge and care to produce the wonderful RX1 and while it hasn't brought them returns that the A7 cameras have, it's nice to see them develop this line.

I find the fill flash nice to have handy as a build-in and personally prefer they keep the overall camera size down offering EVF but not in addition to built-in flash.

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let's see...sell my car, but this...and walk everywhere and take pics...
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Hmm...where did the onboard flash go?
Looking at the images, it's not clear whether you could even mount a tiny flash like the HVFL20M if the EVF is popped up..

By the way, I really like the HVFL20M on my NEX-6 when the 10-18 or 18-105 is mounted. Completely covers them both at all focal lengths without shading..
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Not a fan of these pop up EVFs... they do not stay in place when your eye rests against it. They don't lock in place.
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Meh. Way too heavy for a "compact".
What happened to the curved sensor and smaller lens thing?
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Meh. Way too heavy for a "compact".
But it is small...
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Not a fan of these pop up EVFs... they do not stay in place when your eye rests against it. They don't lock in place.
I wonder if they solved any of the issues there. Looks like a new finder compared to the rx100iii version.
Still I'm with you, this camera should have a real finder not a pop up.
The body really is too small. Sony needs to get some north americans and europeans on the user experience panel when choosing designs.
Their cameras have long been too small.
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The rx100 is "small", barely. It just about qualifies for a "compact", i.e. something to stay in a pocket.
This one, on the other hand, is too bulky to be "small".
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This one, on the other hand, is too bulky to be "small".
Is there a smaller FF digital camera on the market?
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Can someone give me a real/actual reason for a pop-up finder being better than a fixed/integrated one? I've been sitting here for 5min brainstorming and I can't come up with a single one other than the marketing dept saying "we'll sell way more of them!"

Incorrect "arguments" in favor (vs. counterpoint):
Better ergonomics (virtually no difference, doesn't enable rotating finder)
Protection (nope, just add a sliding cover like Nikon viewfinder light-blockers but on the outside
Allows for smaller packaging (nope, just mount it lower)
Less complicated manufacturing (nope)


The only thing that could actually be a reason it might be better is heat-dissipation, which presumably isn't a big concern. Either that or it's easier to replace, which it probably isn't...

Silly.
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Can someone give me a real/actual reason for a pop-up finder being better than a fixed/integrated one?
Where else are they going to put the Zeiss T logo?
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Looks like an ideal travel camera to me, with a good enough lens and enough resolution to make a 50mm crop setting somewhat useful. If Leica released a Q with a 50mm lens, I'd rather that. But this looks like it could meet most of my needs. Lots of compromises (like that goofy popup viewfinder and small/no grip), but it charges via USB and takes up very little travel space.

I'm only annoyed that it doesn't have a curved sensor or a foveon-style layered sensor.
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Can someone give me a real/actual reason for a pop-up finder being better than a fixed/integrated one? I've been sitting here for 5min brainstorming and I can't come up with a single one other than the marketing dept saying "we'll sell way more of them!"

Incorrect "arguments" in favor (vs. counterpoint):
Better ergonomics (virtually no difference, doesn't enable rotating finder)
Protection (nope, just add a sliding cover like Nikon viewfinder light-blockers but on the outside
Allows for smaller packaging (nope, just mount it lower)
Less complicated manufacturing (nope)


The only thing that could actually be a reason it might be better is heat-dissipation, which presumably isn't a big concern. Either that or it's easier to replace, which it probably isn't...

Silly.

Well.... it's a nice gimmick don't you think?
Sony hates passing up a chance to build in a gimmick.

I hate the pop up EVF Just as much as the add EVF on from the last model.
Why can't they build a camera big enough so that all the damn features they want to put into it fit INTO it ?

It just makes no sense at all. Build it so small that they must externalize vital components! It's plain stupid!
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"I hate the pop up EVF Just as much as the add EVF on from the last model.
Why can't they build a camera big enough so that all the damn features they want to put into it fit INTO it ?"

That "feature" will be in next year's model at $4200.
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I hate the pop up EVF Just as much as the add EVF on from the last model.
Why can't they build a camera big enough so that all the damn features they want to put into it fit INTO it ?
They wouldn't have to change the size... if a pop up EVF fits, then, I would imagine, a regular EVF would fit. Well, I guess it could move elements within the EVF as it gets tucked away, and it does have to be retracted once it is enabled...but...
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Is there a smaller FF digital camera on the market?
Does that make the smallest digital medium format camera (whichever it is) "small"?


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Allows for smaller packaging (nope, just mount it lower)
They can't mount it lower, there is no space because of the lcd:
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Does that make the smallest digital medium format camera (whichever it is) "small"?
Yes, in comparison.

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They can't mount it lower, there is no space because of the lcd:
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People complained when the original RX1 was introduced, saying it needed some kind of finder. Sony had one...optical...but it was a "dumb" finder w/no useful information.

Now Sony includes a stowable 100% accuracy EVF and people are complaining.

It'll still shoot like any other compact P&S...you don't have to use the EVF. But for those shooters who hate shooting like a zombie (you know...stop walking, extend arm in frozen pose), it's starting to look like a usable small camera. Sony usually implements great video, too.

A pop-up strobe would be very useful, but it's just not physically possible with this design. Too bad...it would be something Anders Petersen would shoot if he ever switched to digital. Plenty of resolution for gallery-sized portrait prints.

I'm still liking it. Have to do some soul-searching.
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I believe there was a hot shoe EVF available for the original RX1 as well. This is the better option, though I might have preferred a smaller LCD if it meant a non-popup VF.
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I believe there was a hot shoe EVF available for the original RX1 as well. This is the better option, though I might have preferred a smaller LCD if it meant a non-popup VF.
Yep.. Quite agree.. Either make it bigger w/ built in evf or make the LCD slight smaller to make room for evf..

I don't need 42mp... 24 if max I will ever need... As it is, I a very happy w/ the 12mp I'm getting from my lx100.

Wasn't it Nokia on their 40something mp camera phone that did pixel binning to maintain a certain smaller size mp size.. If u were at native for of the lens then the mp would be 12 mp (just guessing, can't ember what it really was). It would then maintain that same mp size no matter how much u digitally zoomed the lens..until u hit the max where u got 12mp w/o any pixel binning.

That would be a neat sw feature option... Maybe get a 35-105 fov while maintaining a the same raw mp size. Any never going to happen..

Not a camera I'm interested in, but I applaud Sony for pushing the envelope.

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anyone else fear how freaking long we will wait on downloading 100 42mp pictures to lightroom? i only have so much time left on earth you know! ):
The world is pixel mad.

But a bigger issue to me was the manual focus by wire on the original, which had a very inconsistent throw. Wanna bet that's one unchanged feature?
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The world is pixel mad.

But a bigger issue to me was the manual focus by wire on the original, which had a very inconsistent throw. Wanna bet that's one unchanged feature?
Apparently the lens hasn't changed at all according to a Sony rep in a video I recently watched. So it's fair to assume that the RX1R2 has the same rotten focus-by-wire that all native Sony E-mount AF lenses have.

More importantly, the original RX1 lens had surprisingly strong barrel distortion. I'd have been sold if they had improved the lens, but I'd find it hard to stomach spending the asking price on a camera that absolutely requires heavy software correction because the lens is kind of ehh (I know it has other good qualities, but such a high degree of barrel distortion is distressing to me).
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More importantly, the original RX1 lens had surprisingly strong barrel distortion. I'd have been sold if they had improved the lens, but I'd find it hard to stomach spending the asking price on a camera that absolutely requires heavy software correction because the lens is kind of ehh (I know it has other good qualities, but such a high degree of barrel distortion is distressing to me).
The lens is fine in this respect (on the 24-mp sensor anyway). There are no issues after software correction has been applied. Pixel peeping on the new sensor may prove otherwise, especially when doing a side-by-side comparison against the original version. But that's speculation at this point.

The focusing is the weak point of the lens. It's just not very good.
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Does anyone knows how the auto iso in the RX1RII will look like?
I absolutely love the output of my RX1, but here was defenitely some "room for improvement"
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I bet they didn't improve the scale focusing system either which would be a big mistake.
The original RX1 and RX1r never had a single FW update and while I agree that mostly the camera was fine like that right out of the box, there was for sure room for improvement as many serious users will know.
I have a RX1 (for sale now to support paper and film costs, not the new RX1rII!) and one of the main issues is that the focusing distance when in MF is automatically reset to 3mt every single time the camera goes to sleep, and of course when turned off and on again. This basically makes it hard to use for quick snapshots in MF, unless you don't keep it always on. Not the best option at all...And the AF while being sufficiently fast for general applications, it's too slow for candid shots.
The RX1 would be a real killer with a seriously implemented snap focus mode (i.e. the one on the GR). I wonder if it is really that hard to do, or it's just engineers at Sony being dumb and short-sighted.
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