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Old 10-16-2015   #41
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Is it really fair to compare the price of a new camera to a used camera? Obviously you get more value used.

There is really no other camera like the LC-A 120. The combination of size, 6x6, and wide angle is unique.

I'm not sure I will keep the one I bought. It does feel a bit too plastic but there is really no other camera quite like this one, for better and for worse.
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At 10% of this price yes. But $429
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At 10% of this price yes. But $429
For that much you get a holga. Not quite the same.
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Just picked up a mint Rolleiflex Automat with a lovely Schneider taking lens for considerably less than that new Lomo. Wonder how many of those they're going to sell.
With a 21mm lens?
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eww...i'd rather get a schneider ipro case with the wide lens. only costs $150? can't think of any reason why i'd want to waste film in the lomo.
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With a 21mm lens?
Nope. Didn't want a 21mm lens.
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Ok, we get it... some of you would rather use a phone or a medium format camera with a standard lens... I'd rather use my Nikon Df, but what does that add to the thread?
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eww...i'd rather get a schneider ipro case with the wide lens. only costs $150? can't think of any reason why i'd want to waste film in the lomo.

Maybe the Lomo takes really nice pics? I'll find out this weekend.
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There is really no other camera like the LC-A 120. The combination of size, 6x6, and wide angle is unique.

I'm not sure I will keep the one I bought. It does feel a bit too plastic but there is really no other camera quite like this one, for better and for worse.

This is the bottom line. As laughable as this may sound, there is no other camera available that has the same feature set as this Lomo.
This is a very small (waaaay smaller than any other MF camera), light camera with focussing and auto exposure that has a 21mm equivalent lens.
I am really looking forward to using it this weekend, and will have the results up in the next few days.

I want this thing to take good pics. It's just unfortunate that it is priced where it is.
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What I remember is that Lomo was created, not by photo enthusiasts but by two MBA guys who smelled money after surveying the collapsed photo industry in the former USSR. They developed a business model of low tech/low cost products with lots of hype at a maximum price point. I'm quite sure they spent more money in advertising than on product development. So good for them but I don't like the hype. Peace, Peter
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What I remember is that Lomo was created, not by photo enthusiasts but by two MBA guys who smelled money after surveying the collapsed photo industry in the former USSR. They developed a business model of low tech/low cost products with lots of hype at a maximum price point. I'm quite sure they spent more money in advertising than on product development. So good for them but I don't like the hype. Peace, Peter

That is a very cynical look at it. The way I see it they saved the film industry. Before they introduced their products aimed at a NEW generation of film photographers (that is where the future is, not us old farts complaining about the good old days!), film really was on its last legs. With their clever marketing they brought newcomers into the fold, by having it deliberately lo-fi that put the emphasis on having fun, not getting caught in the 'noise'. If you look at their web site, lomography.com, you will see that no-one out there, not Leica, Nikon etc is promoting film photography the way they are. We should be thankful of that. And if you browse around their website you see that there are a lot of pics taken by kids who have moved on to regular film cameras. And Lomography embraces that, arguably because they realize that sooner or later that may happen and instead of losing them as a customer, sell them Lomo (or regular brand) film!
They and the site really embrace film in a joyous way, with none of the bickering that we find in other forums.

This weekend will be fun. I should have three Lomo products to test - a Minatar 32mm lens on my Leica MdA, a (if it shows up in time) Lomo Horizon pan camera, and this LC-A 120. The first two I bought with my own money, the 120 is the loaner. I will be having fun at the Los Angeles Ciclavia event on Sunday. If anyone is in the area, I highly recommend it!
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The cameras are loaded, the film is tracked!

One of these is not like the other...

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i'm Canuck so no test pilot here BUT...

quite excited about the camera, hoping to buy one soon. sometimes i enjoy pushing a button and focusing on geometry instead. limitation breeds creativity.
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LOL good video
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glad u liked the video! no animals were harmed in the making...

Rolling update in the field at Ciclavia: the lens/vf cover mechanism has become smoother to use from , well, use. better but still lousy for the price.
the shutter release still blows and it kinda kills the fun. the only way this works as an ultimate street camera is if u enjoy stabbing the release.
I've so far shot two rolls and am going to stop there for now as the Horizon and Leica are way more fun to shoot. I'm having a blast with the Lomo Horizon and am really looking forward to see those results.
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glad u liked the video! no animals were harmed in the making...

Rolling update in the field at Ciclavia: the lens/vf cover mechanism has become smoother to use from , well, use. better but still lousy for the price.
the shutter release still blows and it kinda kills the fun. the only way this works as an ultimate street camera is if u enjoy stabbing the release.
I've so far shot two rolls and am going to stop there for now as the Horizon and Leica are way more fun to shoot. I'm having a blast with the Lomo Horizon and am really looking forward to see those results.
Any idea when you will be able to post some results? Curious to see what you got.

I'm still working on my first roll. Haven't been able to shoot as much as I had hoped. I think this weekend should be much better for shooting for me.
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Any idea when you will be able to post some results? Curious to see what you got.

I'm still working on my first roll. Haven't been able to shoot as much as I had hoped. I think this weekend should be much better for shooting for me.
My films should be ready by Monday. I'm really looking forward to the results, but until I get them I don't want to shoot more rolls. In case there is a camera problem! $6/roll + $18 to dev and scan does that to you!

It's interesting that you are still on your first roll, given that it is only 12 shots. Interesting in that it reflects poorly on the camera. Cameras that are a delight to hold and use make you want to go out and find something to shoot, just for the act of using them. I'm feeling the same way about this Lomo. The chintzy feel and horrible shutter release just doesn't make me feel for it. I picked up a Fuji Instax something that I got for free used when I bought some old film, and that weird jelly bean camera feels better, and has a much much nice shutter release. I think it was $60 new.
Anyway, I am really hoping that the results are better than the production!
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My films should be ready by Monday. I'm really looking forward to the results, but until I get them I don't want to shoot more rolls. In case there is a camera problem! $6/roll + $18 to dev and scan does that to you!

It's interesting that you are still on your first roll, given that it is only 12 shots. Interesting in that it reflects poorly on the camera. Cameras that are a delight to hold and use make you want to go out and find something to shoot, just for the act of using them. I'm feeling the same way about this Lomo. The chintzy feel and horrible shutter release just doesn't make me feel for it. I picked up a Fuji Instax something that I got for free used when I bought some old film, and that weird jelly bean camera feels better, and has a much much nice shutter release. I think it was $60 new.
Anyway, I am really hoping that the results are better than the production!
Looking forward to seeing your results, with the Lomo as well as with the other cameras.

Yes I agree about the shutter release. I attached the cable release which feels much better.

My lack of shooting also has to do with my choice of film. For some stupid reason I loaded some 100ISO B&W film and that has affected my ability to shoot.

As a side note, a Hasselblad SWC is being sold by a local photographer for $1,000. If only I had unlimited money....

Yes the Instax cameras are quite enjoyable to use. I have several of them that get used regularly. Fun cameras to have around.
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Some of the Responses to this thread remind me of the Leica Sl thread and Roger's for the same Money you could buy thread.

It seems that Leica and Lomo have one Thing in common whenever they bring out a new product they are getting criticized for their pricing and we are being reminded that there are other lower cost or better Options.
But in reality there aren't any other choices if I want the look of the Lomo or if I choose a Leica I Chose them for a reason. Yes they are not cheap but in the case of the LC-A 120 it's the only choice that will give me that look.

I have to admit that I am happier with the results from my Toy cameras than with the results I get from my other MF cameras and I feel that the results they gave me is well worth the Price of admition.
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Some of the Responses to this thread remind me of the Leica Sl thread and Roger's for the same Money you could buy thread.

It seems that Leica and Lomo have one Thing in common whenever they bring out a new product they are getting criticized for their pricing and we are being reminded that there are other lower cost or better Options.
But in reality there aren't any other choices if I want the look of the Lomo or if I choose a Leica I Chose them for a reason. Yes they are not cheap but in the case of the LC-A 120 it's the only choice that will give me that look.

I have to admit that I am happier with the results from my Toy cameras than with the results I get from my other MF cameras and I feel that the results they gave me is well worth the Price of admition.
To be fair to Leica, one can argue that the steep price is due to the exquisite construction and feel in the hand. I am talking aboutt their film cameras, and the M240+ and S series digital cameras (my old M-E had a not very nice shutter release).
This Lomo LCA-120 is extremely expensive but feels like a toy disposable camera, and on my copy, the leatherette is already peeling off as can be seen in the photo I attached. It is a low quality product but I am hoping the pictures that I get back show an upside. As I have mentioned before, nothing else has these specs.
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24 hours to go before I find out if this camera is worth $430 or $4.30...
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To be fair to Leica, one can argue that the steep price is due to the exquisite construction and feel in the hand. I am talking aboutt their film cameras, and the M240+ and S series digital cameras (my old M-E had a not very nice shutter release).
This Lomo LCA-120 is extremely expensive but feels like a toy disposable camera, and on my copy, the leatherette is already peeling off as can be seen in the photo I attached. It is a low quality product but I am hoping the pictures that I get back show an upside. As I have mentioned before, nothing else has these specs.
Huss my critique wasn't directed at your posts which were quiet balanced. Regarding the price I can't fully agree yes it is expensive but compared to a new even not so great MF camera it is still "cheap". Also a new Leica costs nearly 15 times as much and should be at least 10 times as good
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Well... the anticipation has led to disappointment. But really, who was I kidding? Did I really expect decent shots from a toy camera? It only seems to be able to get sharpish pictures - in my hands - if the light is really bright. I guess because then the shutter speed is maxed, and the lens stopped down all the way. I say 'in my hands' because a lot of the shots seem to suffer from camera shake. Which would be a result of the beyond lousy shutter release. Combine that with a low/lowish shutter speed (who knows as all you get is a low speed warning, whatever that means and however that is judged - there is no exact explanation in the owner's manual).
It also seems that the focus mechanism is off. It seems to only be able to get sharp images at infinity and with the lens stopped down. But then again, most of my 'infinity' shots were in bright light so maybe camera shake (thank you awesome shutter release) is again at play. I would pace out a bunch of the shots (I measured two paces = 3 feet for me) and something is wrong. Because with a 21mm equivalent lens pretty much everything should be in focus. Must be that camera shake.
The sharpest images I shot, well, that's relative. Viewed at 100% they are still soft. But if you just plan to email/facebook/instagram etc these shots at a small size they would be ok for those who don't know better. Or want this lo-fi look.
Is this camera worth $430? Obviously not. Would I take this camera for free? No. Cuz here's the thing, if I take lousy pics I want it to be my fault. I want to be the one that screwed up the exposure, the focus, didn't hold the camera right etc. This Lomo - maybe this one is a bad example and others are better - takes that away from you. If you get a 'good' shot, it's because there was a happy coincidence of the above factors not coming into play.
I also wouldn't take this camera for free because 120 film and processing is not free. It's pricey so if you are going to do it, do it right.

First shot below was taken a few days ago with my cheaper than the Lomo Mamiya 645. To show that I can expose and focus a shot! And to show what 120 film results should look like.

Yeah, no other camera has the specs that the Lomo has. But what matters are not the specs but the results.
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Not taken with a Lomo:



Taken with a Lomo 120:

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Final thoughts. The colour shots came out better than the B&W shots. I think because the colour film was ISO 400 while the B&W was ISO 125, but rated at 100 as the Lomo only reads in full values (100, 200, 400 etc).
I'd only shoot 400 speed or faster film with this camera, unless you want a whole lotta shakin' goin' on.
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I like the images. Some of them quite a bit

You sound disapointed but,... these are exactly the type of results I thought we might see from this camera.
FWIW, I always like color images from the holga better than my B+W's.
You got some nice B+Ws though. Creepy Mustache man is a great candid.



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I like the images. Some of them quite a bit

You sound disapointed but,... these are exactly the type of results I thought we might see from this camera.
FWIW, I always like color images from the holga better than my B+W's.
You got some nice B+Ws though. Creepy Mustache man is a great candid.



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Thanks, but I am disappointed because they could have been so much better if only the camera had a better shutter release. The one it has pretty much guarantees camera shake at lower speeds. IMO it's unacceptable if the camera was $50. The Lomo Horizon Perfekt that I used at the same time (still waiting to get those pics back) costs less and has a much better shutter release. It also seems to be much better made (Russia vs China). Then again, I haven't seen the results from that one yet!
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Thanks for sharing your pics. Good work. I prefer the color ones as well.

I think the camera shake would be lessened through use of the cable release. It is hard to keep the camera still when pressing the shutter button. Did yours include the cable release? Maybe the release was included because they know the shutter button is not very smooth.

I need to send my rolls off to be developed. I shot one roll of B&W 100 and another roll of color 800 accidentally shot at 100. Currently I have 800 loaded with the ISO dial set correctly this time.
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Thanks for sharing your pics. Good work. I prefer the color ones as well.

I think the camera shake would be lessened through use of the cable release. It is hard to keep the camera still when pressing the shutter button. Did yours include the cable release? Maybe the release was included because they know the shutter button is not very smooth.

I need to send my rolls off to be developed. I shot one roll of B&W 100 and another roll of color 800 accidentally shot at 100. Currently I have 800 loaded with the ISO dial set correctly this time.
Yeah, but the cable release would need use of a tripod. These were mostly daytime active shots at an event .And it would be interesting to see if using the cable release would cause the camera to shake, as it still has to fight through that same shutter release.

p.s. I would be very interested to see the results from the 800 film, as that would facilitate the use of higher shutter speeds.
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Yeah, but the cable release would need use of a tripod. These were mostly daytime active shots at an event .And it would be interesting to see if using the cable release would cause the camera to shake, as it still has to fight through that same shutter release.

p.s. I would be very interested to see the results from the 800 film, as that would facilitate the use of higher shutter speeds.
I regularly use a cable release on my Holga without a tripod. I've been doing the same with the LCA 120 as well but not consistently. I will try and use it more now that I see that it is necessary.
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Wow, I wanted to like this camera, but the shutter release is one of the more important parts of a camera to me...since it is what we push!
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