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Who Wants To Test The Lomo LC-A 120 ???????????
Old 10-07-2015   #1
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Who Wants To Test The Lomo LC-A 120 ???????????

see http://shop.lomography.com/lomo-lc-a-120

OK, what dedicated fanatical RFF Lomo head in the US wants to test the Lomo LC-A 120 ?

The Phoblographer Editor's Choice Award Winner
"The best street photography camera: film or digital. Pretty much nothing will beat this."

Modestly proclaimed on the box as THE MOST COMPACT & MAGICAL FULLY AUTOMATIC 120 FILM CAMERA EVER!

Well, its on the internet so you know its TRUE! ....

You will receive a new Lomo LC-A 120 to test for a month. You will provide weekly updates and a test report.

YOU will have to provide the film. Yes, you will have to return the camera.

Write a post why you are the best RFFer choice for the Lomo LC-A 120.

Best testing method / idea gets to test the super duper LC-A 120 FILM LOMO.
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Old 10-08-2015   #2
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I'm not in the US so I can't apply. I'd love to play.

38mm sounds tempting, but to be honest as usual Lomography charges crazy prices and I expect the lens not to be a top notch performer so I'd rather pile up a bit more cash for a beater SWC. for half that price I'd maybe bite.

See I'm a grouch so even if I'd be in the US I'd be a bad choice
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Hmm, 400 USD for a plastic camera with Russian electronics inside?
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Hmm, 400 USD for a plastic camera with Russian electronics inside?
"Russian electronics, American electronics, anyway all that sh** is produced at Hon-Kong" Bruce Willis
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Old 10-08-2015   #5
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Ive been following the LCA120 since it was first announced, really interested to see how it performs in the real world. You just cant trust lomo test shots
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I would love to give it a whirl....
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Wow you can get a pretty serious medium format camera for $430. Silly price IMO. I'll pass.
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Overpriced plastic junk! I will try it though. In a few years they will all end up at ebay for a mere of that price.
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Old 10-08-2015   #9
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I'd enjoy testing one and comparing it to my Voigtlander Perkeo II. :-)
But ... This isn't a good time. After January, perhaps.

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Someone here just sold a really nice CLA-d Rolleiflex 3.5F for, I think, $225...
But anyway, that is an old camera, this LOMO is new. Ahem (my reasoning for buying a Lomo Minitar lens).

I shoot 120 a lot of the time (just picked up a Mam 645Pro) but the problem I have is as the film and processing/scanning cost is high, I make sure that the pics I take are keepers. And for that at the 120 level I make sure that the cameras I use are not, umm, quirky.

What is interesting about the LOMO site is that the pics they use in their sample shots are at the low end of the capability of the equipment. I guess to make it's target audience feel good about taking blurry pics? I have found, at least with the Minatar 32 lens, that it can actually take in focus reasonably sharp snaps! But I guess that is contrary to Lomo's mission statement.

This is still a very cool offer from Stephen. I'm afraid I could not provide a weekly update as the turnaround time for getting my film back is 2 weeks...
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You just cant trust lomo test shots
'tis true. Their stuff is better than what they use in their promo materials.
Not much better, but better.
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Someone here just sold a really nice CLA-d Rolleiflex 3.5F for, I think, $225...
But anyway, that is an old camera, this LOMO is new. Ahem (my reasoning for buying a Lomo Minitar lens).

I shoot 120 a lot of the time (just picked up a Mam 645Pro) but the problem I have is as the film and processing/scanning cost is high, I make sure that the pics I take are keepers. And for that at the 120 level I make sure that the cameras I use are not, umm, quirky.

What is interesting about the LOMO site is that the pics they use in their sample shots are at the low end of the capability of the equipment. I guess to make it's target audience feel good about taking blurry pics? I have found, at least with the Minatar 32 lens, that it can actually take in focus reasonably sharp snaps! But I guess that is contrary to Lomo's mission statement.

This is still a very cool offer from Stephen. I'm afraid I could not provide a weekly update as the turnaround time for getting my film back is 2 weeks...
updates don't necessarily have to include pics

observations about the using the camera would be fine
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I'm covering Ciclavia this Sunday with a panoramic camera (Noblex or Lomo Perfekt), a Leica MdA with Lomo Minatar 32 lens, and....

If only I had a Lomo 120 to complete this weird uncle grouping.

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I'd love to test the LC-A 120.
I've been very interested in that camera since first hearing about it.
Being disabled and not being able to lift a camera to my eye, it seems like it would be a great camera for me. The auto-exposure means not having to get someone to adjust exposure for me, and the wide angle lens is great for scale focusing and blind composition.
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This is certainly an interesting opportunity for someone. Whether you like them or not Lomo has certainly had a huge impact on the youth of the world and has had a large influence on the use of film in the past few years.

Whether this trend continues depends on Lomo continuously providing an exciting and interesting way forward for everyone interested in film, but not necessarily thrilled about learning the subtle ins and outs of proper exposure of composition.

Will the Lomo LC-A 120 continue advancing the art of Lomo, while still maintaining the simplicity and ever surprising results of the Holga? How does this camera really work? Has Lomo taken the technology too far or is the introduction of this camera a timely entry into the market? Or has the Fuji Instax hijacked the Lomo aesthetic?

Only a review from the perspective of the various age groups that are part of the Lomo target market will give a meaningful understanding of where this new camera stands in the Pantheon of Lomo.
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Automatic Exposure and Aperture in small package doesn't make it Diana right away.

Results are available and plenty.
https://www.flickr.com/search/?q=LC-A%20120

But real review after use should reveal if it is junk in use or not.
Not sure if one month is enough. It has to be at least ten rolls to be able to make valid conclusion.
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Automatic Exposure and Aperture in small package doesn't make it Diana right away.

Results are available and plenty.
https://www.flickr.com/search/?q=LC-A%20120

But real review after use should reveal if it is junk in use or not.
Not sure if one month is enough. It has to be at least ten rolls to be able to make valid conclusion.
That, or very easy modification and repairability. My Holga has put up with a great deal of use and abuse, over the last year or two and a few parts have either gone astray or broken. Fortunately a little glue, some tape and substitution have kept it chugging along quite well. The only electronics in mine is the flash, which I actually figured would fail quickly. Surprisingly it is still functioning quite reliably.
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I would ask but I just bought one and it arrived today. I was waiting for it to go on sale and I finally got a 20% off coupon that worked for it.

First impression is that it is surprisingly difficult to load the film in the camera. I think a bit more care in this area would have been a good idea.

Haven't finished my first roll of film yet but when I do I will post a few pics.
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I'm covering Ciclavia this Sunday with a panoramic camera (Noblex or Lomo Perfekt), a Leica MdA with Lomo Minatar 32 lens, and....

If only I had a Lomo 120 to complete this weird uncle grouping.

that does sound interesting.

OK, you will be the 1st tester.

email me your shipping address.

Be sure to do a unpackaging video, LOL
oh, the drama ...
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Well alright, alright, alright.

I'll report back.
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"Russian electronics, American electronics, anyway all that sh** is produced at Hon-Kong" Bruce Willis
that wasn't his line, it was said by the russian astronaut sittin on the space station. And, he said "all made in taiwan"
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Be sure to do a unpackaging video, LOL
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Unpackaging video will come Saturday, so we'll just have to pretend I haven't opened the box yet...

First impressions. The box it came in was really heavy! Either Stephen sent me bricks or this camera is made out of steel. It ends up the camera is really light, it is the packaging that is heavy with the display box and a nice book of images that came with it.
Here is what it looks like, with the really flimsy (but genuine leather) strap attached, surrounded by a suitable variety of film that will be used in the test:



Here's what it immediately reminds me of upon picking it up and handling it:



To be continued...
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I noticed the weight as well. Crazy heavy box for a camera.

Forgot to mention that when I was struggling to load the first roll of film I accidentally knocked out the middle part of the camera that holds the film flat, exposing a circuit board underneath. Luckily it snapped back into place with no difficulty. Make me wonder about long term durability.

I'm still working on my first roll. I hope to use it up this afternoon at a local horse farm where I like to shoot.
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More initial impressions:
The camera is really dinky feeling. I handed it to my gf and asked her to guess how much it costs. She first said $5, I said something to the effect of 'no, really', she said $20.
The sliding lens/vf cover moves roughly. For $430 this should be smooooth and precise, clicking into place. Instead it feels like something, eventually, will break. Not saying it would, just feels that way.
The rear cover has a little latch which actually pops open surprisingly well, has nice light seals, and snaps closed nice and tight. The lens/VF cover should feel like this.

The scale focussing lever is easy to use, and what is very cool is the lens is the equivalent of a 21mm lens for 35mm film. This feature, with the auto program exposure, really does make it stand out in the MF field. I cannot think of any other camera that would compare to this. let alone a new one. I'm looking forward to seeing how the lens performs.

Just when you think I'm getting too cozy with the Lomo, more bad stuff... The shutter button may quite honestly be the worst I have ever tried. Even worse than those on disposable one time use 35mm cameras (remember those?). It is a very long, rough, tough squeeze before the shutter finally fires. It feels like you really are fighting against a spring rate chosen more for suspending a Yugo than working a camera. As a bonus, about half way through the travel, the camera emits a faint electrical buzzing/whine. If you want to replicate it, plug in your toaster and hold down the bread lever against the stop. It buzzes like that (but a little fainter).
At least there is a satisfying 'SPROING!' sound when the shutter finally fires. A normal, well adjusted person would object to that part, but a Fuji GW690 III owner would find that quite normal. And Zebedee would love it.
Thing is, it just doesn't feel like it would stand up to many cycles. Time will tell.

A cool feature - it has a multi exposure switch - and as the shutter self cocks (must be that bed spring in it) you can fire as many shots as you want w/o advancing the film.

Film speeds are set with a tiny wheel on the left front of the camera, with the numbers shown in a tiny window. Downside - it only offers it in 'full' steps with no way to set anything in between. So you got your 100 speed setting, then 200, then 400, then 800..
A bit of a bummer seeing that some of my films are rated at ISOs 125 and 160. This also means that any attempt at manually over-riding the program exposure would be limited to full stop values.

A final observation for now - the camera has a hot shoe, but it does not seem to work correctly. I was in suitably dim conditions and both flash units that I tried (a Leica SF24 and a Metx CS 32 which work perfectly on all my other cameras across multiple brands) fired way after the shutter released. Take a shot, delay, exposure complete, flash fires. I did this without any film in the camera, but that would not make any difference as there is no flash metering system built into the camera. The flash goes off if the low speed light in the VF (one of two red leds - the other is a battery check led that always lights when you squeeze on the shutter) is activated.

That's it for now.
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Huss, love your entertaining description! Well done and have fun!
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Its nice to hear that the famous Lomo build quality that Lomo is so loved for is alive and well!
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Given all the mods done to Holgas and Dianas over the years, it wouldn't surprise me if there develops a mod subculture for this camera, too. The first I can think of is the shutter release.

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I'm not one to judge but I just noticed this:



Yep, the body cover is already peeling off this brand spanking new $420 camera. I pushed it down but it seems there is no adhesive there, as it made zero difference.

Just to keep things in perspective, I just bought this for the same price as the Lomo:

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The Lomo better take freakin' awesome pics...

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I had the chance to try one. Apart from the automated exposure, there is nothing that amazes me with that camera. I prefer my Ikonta 521/A. It is smaller, a bit heavier, but feels better built and you have full control over the exposure.
After this I am left with the impression of a ridiculously overpriced photo gadget.
Just saying.
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Lomo had omitted the fixed flash sync stop of 1/60s when they "updated" the original LC-A to the LC-A+.

Same for the LC-A 120, it has only the slow sync.


What people pay are paying for the 38mm lens. It has crazy vignetting, aberrations and soft corners - everything you'd expect from a such build of a camera - but still saves you $1500 if you want the perspective alone.
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I prefer my Ikonta 521/A. It is smaller, a bit heavier, but feels better built and you have full control over the exposure.
After this I am left with the impression of a ridiculously overpriced photo gadget.
Just saying.
That is a very nice camera, but it has the 50mm equivalent lens of a 35mm camera.
The Lomo has a 21mm equivalent lens. It is that, along with the program auto exposure feature, that makes it unique.
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O.k. That could be of something if only that 21mm lens was of some quality. Next weekend I will post a few color scans in here from that lens just to see why it is not worth it. For 500 bucks one has a lot better options even with a wide angle lens on it. Take a Fuji for an example. Better, more reliable, with a wide lens and a 645 format at about the same size (o.k. a bit larger).
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It being a square format camera with a 21mm lens makes it unique.
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It being a square format camera with a 21mm lens makes it unique.
No, Hasselblad beat them to it a very long time ago!

http://fotobistro.com/the-hasselblad...mera-and-lens/
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No, Hasselblad beat them to it a very long time ago!

http://fotobistro.com/the-hasselblad...mera-and-lens/
True, but in a much larger and more expensive way.
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True, but in a much larger and more expensive way.
But then if you add up all of the LOMO cameras you might have to buy before you find one that works for more than a couple of films and calculate how much cupboard space they take up...
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Just picked up a mint Rolleiflex Automat with a lovely Schneider taking lens for considerably less than that new Lomo. Wonder how many of those they're going to sell.
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