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New Voigtlander 35/1.7 M Arrived the end of August $980
Old 08-11-2015   #1
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New Voigtlander 35/1.7 M Arrived the end of August $980

The new improved Voigtlander 35mm f/1.7 Aspheric Ultron Leica M mount lens arrived the end of August 2015 at CameraQuest. Now Shipping!

Bundled with a premium B+W 007 Nano Clear Filter and Next Day Shipping to most lower 48 locations, both Chrome or Black versions are priced at $980.

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Old 08-11-2015   #2
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Is it allowed to comment the price?
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I'd love to see some shots from it

Please post any links to samples you may have come across. It will be especially interesting to see this one on the A7 series also. The new CV 15 v3 is currently regarded as the best UWA.

Some basics I did not realize:
totally new lens with 9 elements in 7 groups, MFD of .5

a flickr pool:
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Old 08-11-2015   #4
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It'll be interesting to see the eventual comparisons with the Nokton 35/1.4 and whether the price difference is justified. Closer focus is something, to be sure. Any other reasons to spend the extra $$? We'll soon see. :-)
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Yes, I would love to see some color shots at f1.7 on an A7x. Been interested in seeing those ever since it was announced.
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It'll be interesting to see the eventual comparisons with the Nokton 35/1.4 and whether the price difference is justified. Closer focus is something, to be sure. Any other reasons to spend the extra $$? We'll soon see. :-)
It could be a big deal for Sony A7 users, as small good 35s are not common for that camera. 225 grams would be fantastic if the Sony sensors like it.

If it's like the new 15 on the digital Ms.....well that lens is really something, and worth every penny. I hope we will see a similar level for this one
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New?

New shape or new optics?

35 f1.7 just like the older version?

Very interesting.
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It could be a big deal for Sony A7 users, as small good 35s are not common for that camera.
Huh, the 35mm Sonnar FE is a great lens.
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Yes it's one of three good 35s. Like I said they are not common.

How many good 35s can I put on the M9? Many.
Well, true... but 60+ years of history vs. 2 years...
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Old 08-16-2015   #11
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It looks like it uses some parts of the Nokton "wasp waist" 1.5, which is I assume a good thing.

Are all the changes just aesthetic? Is it possible to see the formula of this new lens?
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The new lens has 9 elements in 7 groups.
You can see the lens diagram here:
http://voigtlaender.com/35-mm-f-1%2c7-ultron.html

The older LTM lens had 8 elements in 6 groups, so it is a new lens design.

In both designs the last element has the aspherical surface.

I had put in my deposit early in the springtime. Then I waited, and waited. In the meantime, I picked up a new Leica 35mm Summicron ASPH in chrome. So, when Stephen's notice finally arrived, I hesitated a while, as I've got 3 x 35mm lenses now.

There's the 35mm 2.8 Summaron in LTM,
Color Skopar 35mm 2.5 in LTM,
and my Summicron ASPH in M mount.

Alas, I have way too much GAS, so I decided to buy the 35 1.7 - in chrome.
I'll see at the end of the month how it stacks up against the Summicron ASPH, at about 1/3 the price.
BTW, the metal hood is a $108 extra cost item. At least Leica throws in their plastic hood.

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Optical formula has a lot of similarities to the f1.2 II; they removed a weak concave lens from the front, moved a weak aspherical lens internally, and replaced an aspherical lens with a similarly-shaped spherical one.

Hopefully this means good things, since the 1.2 II seems like a great lens.
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Some photos:

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Ooh, that lens looks tasty!
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Old 08-31-2015   #17
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Picked one up today. It seems very good on an A7. My initial impression is of a slightly less perfect RX1: it trades a minor amount of bokeh smoothness and across-the-frame perfection for real manual focus and the better usability of an A7 body.

I will link to some photos as I take them this week.
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My 35/1.7's arrived today.

The 35/1.7 M's look very similar to the 50/1.5's M's - in chrome or black.
Standard hoods are included, vented hoods are optional.

Bundled with a premium B+W 007 Nano Clear Filter and Next Day Shipping to most lower 48 locations,
both Chrome or Black versions are priced at $980.

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I didn't realize that any hoods were included. So, I paid extra for the extra cost hood. Oh well, I'll soon see what I've bought.
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I got my copy today. The price in Amsterdam (Foto Den Boer) is EUR 760,--.

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It could be a big deal for Sony A7 users, as small good 35s are not common for that camera.
Looking at the images of the lens on the M and the A7 that Steve Huff posted today the lens looks pretty big... Much bigger than say a 35 Summicron.....
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Old 09-11-2015   #22
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Yes, it is big and heavy and the lens hood is horrible, far too big. I will try to find a decent ans small 46mm screw in hood. I dislike the dedicated hoods too.

The lens handles very good. The f-stop ring is awesome, even better than the one of the Nokton-M 50mm f/1.5.

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In case people get the wrong idea about how "big" this lens is, I will give my first impressions. With the lenses in my camera bag at hand, and putting them side by side, the Voigtlander is about the same length as a Summicron 50 (without hood). I have the last pre-ASPH Summicron with pull out hood.

Since the filter diameter is 46mm, it is about the same diameter lens wise as my Elmarit 90 2.8.

So, you have to decide if a lens with the length of a Summicron 50, and the girth of an Elmarit 90 is "huge". In relation to the current 35mm Summicron ASPH and the CV 35 f/2.5, as well as the Summaron 35 2.8, it is bigger. But, not a lot heavier. I have the chrome lens. If weight is an issue, get the black version.

I initially thought that the styling was merely a designer's fantasy. But, in use the logic of it is inescapable. The entire front 1/3 of the lens is a "huge" aperture ring. Then comes the wasp waist with the depth of field scales. Then follows a very large focusing ring with the painful studs to let you differentiate the lens rings by feel. You have to use this lens to understand the genius behind the design.

Lens hoods: the lens does come with a black colored hood which is a solid "cone" type hood. There is also a cap which covers that black hood. The problem is that this hood intrudes a fair bit into the viewfinder of my Leica M7 0.72X.

I will say that you should pay the extra $108 and get the vented hood. It is one of the most beautifully machined all metal hoods that I have seen. There is a thumbscrew to allow you to set and lock your HOOD ANGLE! That means that you can rotate the hood when it is mounted on the lens, to be sure that the viewfinder is looking through one of the vent slots. This hood is wide enough that you can just use the 46mm center pinch cap to cap your lens. Yes, $108 is a lot of money for a hood. But, have you checked the cost of a replacement Leica hood for the 35mm Summicron ASPH? That piece of rectangular plastic is around $130.

I'll eventually have to shoot the new lens against my also new 35mm Summicron ASPH to see what the differences are. It took so long from the time I ordered it in the spring, to its arrival that I bought the Summicron ASPH in the meantime.
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Why does Voigtlander have two 35mm lenses so close to each other - an already spectacular f/1.2 and now an f/1.7?
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They differ in size. Also 1.2 is not close to 1.7.
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In case people get the wrong idea about how "big" this lens is, I will give my first impressions.
I said "big" because the lens is bigger than my other 35mm lenses: f/3.5 Summaron, f/2.8 Summaron, f/2 Summicron v1, f/2 Summicron v4, f/1.4 Summilux pre asph and f/1.7 Ultron LTM. It is also longer and heavier than the Nokton-M 50mm f/1.5. It is however a complete different optical concept. The ergonomics are great, no doubt about that.

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How would users of the 35/1.7 Ultron (old and new) compare the lens to the Zeiss Biogon ZM 35/2? Are there users of both lenses here? Thanks for any feedback.
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They differ in size.
This would be the strangest and most improbable reason to manufacture two 35mm lenses.


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Also 1.2 is not close to 1.7.
Canon makes three 50mm lenses, an f/1.2L, f/1.4, and f/1.8. But for marketing purposes as well as aiming at target markets, each of those lenses play its own role in Canon's sales catalog.

They wouldn't simply make an f/1.2L and an f/1.8L just because they can. It doesn't make sense.

Voigtlander also makes an f/1.4 SC/MC but this lens has its own identity in their catalog in terms of its look, capability, and quality.
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This would be the strangest and most improbable reason to manufacture two 35mm lenses.




I should have clarified that the different lens sizes were due to the different max apertures, of course.
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I should have clarified that the different lens sizes were due to the different max apertures, of course.
But these aperture sizes are so close!

Is the f/1.7 of lesser quality in the same way that the Canon's f/1.8 is regarded as a nifty fifty?
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Not really. A 1.7 max aperture may be close a 1.8, which since many years was the standard max aperture for "normal" lenses. The 1.2 or even 1.4 max apertures were used for "fast lenses". Why would now the 1.7 and 1.2 be "close to each other"? I can see that having very high ISO settings on modern cameras may 1.2 and 1.7 "similar" in terms of exposure needs, but OOF may differ here.
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But these aperture sizes are so close!

Is the f/1.7 of lesser quality in the same way that the Canon's f/1.8 is regarded as a nifty fifty?
They aren't that close. This is a difference of 1 stop which commands that the entrance pupil diameter of the 1.2 is ~1.4x the entrance pupil diameter of the 1.7.

It is then reasonable to expect a similar relationship between their lens barrel diameters.
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I'm trying to understand this - with the f/1.2 you can also stop down to f/1.7 or f/1.8.

If the price of both lenses are similar, and if the f/1.2 is considered the better lens, why would anyone prefer the f/1.7 lens?
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I'm trying to understand this - with the f/1.2 you can also stop down to f/1.7 or f/1.8.

If the price of both lenses are similar, and if the f/1.2 is considered the better lens, why would anyone prefer the f/1.7 lens?
Because it is smaller and lighter.
Smaller and lighter means a lot to a lot of people.

(Also, initial reports say it is better than the 1.2.)
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What is the issue with having a closer focus lens than rangefinder? Does the image in the rangefinder appear to be in focus at 0.5m? Or does something else happen that my mind can't comprehend?
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Because it is smaller and lighter.
Smaller and lighter means a lot to a lot of people.

(Also, initial reports say it is better than the 1.2.)

Ahh now I'm starting to understand the difference between these two lenses and how it might appeal to different people.
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If the price of both lenses are similar, why would anyone prefer the f/1.7 lens?
The prices of the Voigtländer lenses are not related to their speed, in contrast to the Leica lenses, maybe for reasons of marketing and such. This was also the case long ago with the Color Skopar 50mm f/2.5 and the Nokton 50mm f/1.5. A huge difference in speed but a small difference in price, if I remember correctly.

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What is the issue with having a closer focus lens than rangefinder? Does the image in the rangefinder appear to be in focus at 0.5m? Or does something else happen that my mind can't comprehend?
The rangefinder will disengage at its minimum distance (say, 0.7m) so further turning the focus ring towards 0.5m won't have a visible effect in the VF even though the actual focus distance changes. So yeah, it may appear in focus even if you are focussing closer and stepping in. On some cameras there is a hardly audible "click" sound when disengaging.
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The prices of the Voigtländer lenses are not related to their speed, in contrast to the Leica lenses, maybe for reasons of marketing and such. This was also the case long ago with the Color Skopar 50mm f/2.5 and the Nokton 50mm f/1.5. A huge difference in speed but a small difference in price, if I remember correctly.

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Hi Erik, I realise price has nothing to do with speed but rather lens quality.

I can totally understand the situation between the nokton and the skopar though.
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The new CV lenses seem to have been made extremely well, and it may be that CV decided at some time to limit the sales price to be around $1000 to be even more competitive with Leica and Zeiss lenses that cost more money than CV lenses of similar qualities.
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