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CSC : Digital Compact System Cameras - This new category of digital Compact System Cameras with interchangeable lenses was mislabeled for a time as "Mirrorless Cameras" by those forgetting about "Mirrorless" Rangefinder cameras.  Such confusion is easily understandable, since interchangeable rangefinder cameras were only recently introduced in 1932.  hmm.    CSC or Compact System Camera is probably the best category description to date, although I am fond of the old RFF desigation of  CEVIL  indicating Compact Electronic Viewfidner Interchangeable Lens.   This forum is here at RFF because via adapters these cameras offer an inexpensive way to use rangefinder lenses on digital cameras -- in addition of just about every 35mm SLR lens you can think of.  All  offer the photo enthusiast an incredible array of adopted lenses which was not possible before these new digital formats.   This group continues to grow in popularity and new camera models! 

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Old 04-04-2015   #81
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Bought one - a used bundle from eBay. Comes with the 18-55mm and 22mm lenses plus the EOS adapter. If I'm lucky it arrives tomorrow. Otherwise it's Monday.
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Bought one - a used bundle from eBay. Comes with the 18-55mm and 22mm lenses plus the EOS adapter. If I'm lucky it arrives tomorrow. Otherwise it's Monday.
congrats!
the worst thing about the little m is that i keep leaving my fujis at home now!
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the worst thing about the little m is that i keep leaving my fujis at home now!
I'm wondering if this is the fate of my Leicas!
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Bought one - a used bundle from eBay. Comes with the 18-55mm and 22mm lenses plus the EOS adapter. If I'm lucky it arrives tomorrow. Otherwise it's Monday.
If anyone else is tempted please send me a PM, I may be selling mine - EOS-M, 22mm, 18-55mm and 3rd party adapter.
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If anyone else is tempted please send me a PM, I may be selling mine - EOS-M, 22mm, 18-55mm and 3rd party adapter.
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Typical! I buy and the market moves elsewhere....
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why?
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My poor old eyes aren't up to seeing what I need to see on a rear screen - need to move to something with a viewfinder (not an add on one, which rules out a move to M3 which I can't afford anyway).
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My poor old eyes aren't up to seeing what I need to see on a rear screen - need to move to something with a viewfinder (not an add on one, which rules out a move to M3 which I can't afford anyway).
too bad...yeah, the rear screen in bright light is tough on the eyes at the best of times.
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not to talk you out of it, but there are some doodads out there that may help, like this.

http://www.clearviewer.com/hotshoe.html

my vision has reached the point where i have to take off my glasses whenever i take a shot, which is a pain.
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too bad...yeah, the rear screen in bright light is tough on the eyes at the best of times.
We've just had a cloudless week of bright sun - raining again now though....
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not to talk you out of it, but there are some doodads out there that may help, like this.

http://www.clearviewer.com/hotshoe.html

my vision has reached the point where i have to take off my glasses whenever i take a shot, which is a pain.
Thanks for the suggestion but I want a camera that doesn't need "doodads". The great thing about the EOS-M (on its own) is the small size vs. IQ.
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understood, hope you find something that suits your needs.
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Takes good photos in the dark!

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It's here!
First impression: it's tiny!
Second impression: the AF is not really that slow at all.

Hopefully get a chance to try it out tomorrow.
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good luck, hope you enjoy the m. the AF update really improved it. when i got mine it hadn't been updated and it was as slow as reported.
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i bought mine used and the firmware had been updated already...it's as fast as my xe-1 and both meet my needs nicely...
and yes, it is tiny....i put mine along with the flash and 4 lenses in my small dna 8 bag!
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Just checked: mine has the 2.0.2 firmware, which seems to be the latest.

Now just have to stop my instinctive urge to lift it to my eye!
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Two with the kit lens (18-55) from a quick walk at lunchtime today. Not spectacular, but attractive in their own way.



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what are your first impressions of the m?

i recommend using raw files for processing...
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Hi Joe,
Very good so far. It's a nice camera to walk around with - it's very light and compact, and the other lenses can easily be carried in a jacket pocket. I'm used to carrying around Leica rangefinders or Canon/ Nikon SLRs - mostly in pairs - so this is quite a departure.

The lack of a viewfinder keeps tripping me up - just out of habit, because of the type of cameras I normally use. However, aside from very bright conditions outdoors, which makes judging the use of a polarising filter very difficult, I think I could get used to this alternative method. Nevertheless, one of these with a viewfinder would be very nice: Canon M3 anyone?

The touch screen interface - and the overall lack of dedicated controls - I was unsure of initially. However, again I think this is something that I can adapt to. In fact, I like the 'touch to shoot' function - it's very intuitive, when compared to a DSLR with the more involved selection of a focus point.

I think - as odd as it might sound - that using it as a mini view camera would be quite interesting. The sensor seems very capable, and if you could get around the visibility of the screen in bright conditions, it might be an interesting way to capture landscapes.

Finally, I'm looking forward to trying out my other EOS lenses. Up until a month ago, I was considering selling all of my EOS kit, and moving wholeheartedly to Nikon. However, the idea of strapping my 100-400L lens to this tiny camera, and taking a few moon photographs is quite appealing. I'm also quite curious about buying a manual lens adapter (perhaps from SRB Photographic here in the UK) and trying out my Voigtlander 35mm F1.7 lens. I think in zone focussing mode, with Auto ISO selected, it could be a great candid camera. In fact, did I mention the quiet shutter......

Sorry for the long post but - if it wasn't obvious so far - I think this camera is quite good!

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did you see the mini view set up someone posted here recently? it's a surprise that such a small camera would be so handy on a tripod!
at first i was also raising the camera to my eye to take a shot and i had the sony rx100 before...that camera was the same, no finder! you get used to it...
i put on the thumb thingie from my fuji and have since stopped hitting the back screen and moving the af square...also easier to hold now...looking forward to the flipbac grip to replace the tiny strip that's there now.
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interesting joe, i actually just took off my thumb grip - i haven't decided if it actually helps or not. mine is a cheap generic thumb grip that seems a few mm too short. functionally it's fine, but it's ever-so-slight shortness nags at me, lol. the flipbac should make a difference, i know the franiec grip does.

i really like the touch to select AF point. it's so much less fiddly moving af points on the m than on any other camera i own, even cameras with a "joystick." i don't use the touch shutter, though i could see that being useful on a tripod.
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interesting joe, i actually just took off my thumb grip - i haven't decided if it actually helps or not. mine is a cheap generic thumb grip that seems a few mm too short. functionally it's fine, but it's ever-so-slight shortness nags at me, lol. the flipbac should make a difference, i know the franiec grip does.

i really like the touch to select AF point. it's so much less fiddly moving af points on the m than on any other camera i own, even cameras with a "joystick." i don't use the touch shutter, though i could see that being useful on a tripod.
i had tried the cheap plastic thumb thing i also have and it was too long...the one i have for the xe-1 fits much better.
i too like the touch screen way more than i had anticipated...i didn't think i would use it much at all but, like you, i use it for moving the af spot and that is something i never did on any other camera before, preferring to focus and recompose. i had the franiec grip on my sony rx100 and loved it...but i went for cheaper this time round.
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I recommend using raw files for processing...
Do you use the Canon software? I've had it for a long time, but have never used it. I'm normally a 'jpegger!'
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i use the canon software and like it a lot. it makes basic raw corrections very easily and can crop and straighten. and it doesn't have a library function so you don't have to deal with importing and exporting photos to it. i hate that i have migrate to lightroom because the canon software doesn't read other brands of raw (i have other brands of digital cameras). LR is very powerful, but the layout is much more confusing with separate library, develop, and printing tabs. canon software you just go in, mess with the raw, save it as a jpeg, and you're done.

there is a newish version of canon DPP that i haven't tried yet, it looks more complicated - hopefully it doesn't clutter up the interface. but it's only for certain high end dslrs right now, so i think you would use the old version for m files.
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i use photoshop elements...just too lazy to learn something new.
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Re. the above discussion it's worth noting that the latest version of ACR now has Canon camera profiles and can often give better results than the Canon software if it's a shot with large dynamic range. Here's one from this morning that the Canon DPP would have been OK with but I did it in ACR out of habit.

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Nice!

I tried out the B&W with a red filter today

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EOS M Madness:


EOS M with the kit lens, set at a 35mm focal length - i.e. 56mm equivalent


EOS M with EF Converter, plus a 100-400L F4.5-5.6 lens set at a 400mm focal length - i.e. 640mm equivalent


EOS M with EF Converter, and a Canon 1.4X converter, plus a 100-400L F4.5-5.6 lens set at a 400mm focal length - i.e. 896mm equivalent

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