Go Back   Rangefinderforum.com > Cameras / Gear / Photography > Digital Cameras > Sigma / Foveon Cameras

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes

Old 01-16-2015   #41
EastNeuk
Registered User
 
EastNeuk is offline
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 63
Nice set. I like the second one best, but I also quite like the composition of the third.
  Reply With Quote

Old 01-16-2015   #42
helenhill
A Click in Time...
 
helenhill's Avatar
 
helenhill is offline
Join Date: May 2008
Location: New Yawk
Posts: 4,935
Love the last photo of the lastset
__________________
Flickr.
  Reply With Quote

Old 01-16-2015   #43
GaryLH
Registered User
 
GaryLH's Avatar
 
GaryLH is offline
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 6,185
Thanks Helen and EastNeuk

Gary
__________________
Panasonic LX100, Sigma Foveon, Fuji X and Panasonic CM1
  Reply With Quote

Old 01-20-2015   #44
mingkookoo
Registered User
 
mingkookoo is offline
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 445
Quick snap today(ISO 400).



SPP 6 is a bit slower than SPP 5.5 but I can deal with it. Only wish Sigma will add a flippy screen on the next model. Still loving the 21:9 format.

Anyone using flash with their Quattro? Gary, EastNeuk?
Sigma EF-140S Electronic Flash or
Metz mecablitz 20 C-2 Auto Flash
  Reply With Quote

Old 01-20-2015   #45
GaryLH
Registered User
 
GaryLH's Avatar
 
GaryLH is offline
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 6,185
No flash for me so far

Gary
__________________
Panasonic LX100, Sigma Foveon, Fuji X and Panasonic CM1
  Reply With Quote

Old 01-20-2015   #46
maggieo
More Deadly
 
maggieo's Avatar
 
maggieo is offline
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Nebraska, USA
Posts: 3,675
Jeeze, I expected to find a thread full of these:


Audi Quattro, September, 2008 by Maggie Osterberg, on Flickr

But seriously, nice work, gang!
__________________
My Flickr Photostream & My Photo Blog
  Reply With Quote

Old 01-21-2015   #47
GaryLH
Registered User
 
GaryLH's Avatar
 
GaryLH is offline
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 6,185
Thanks Maggie...

I can c someone in the family likes those quattro's

Gary
__________________
Panasonic LX100, Sigma Foveon, Fuji X and Panasonic CM1
  Reply With Quote

Old 01-28-2015   #48
Samouraï
Registered User
 
Samouraï's Avatar
 
Samouraï is offline
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 479
The last photo in that set is gorgeous, Gary. The third is nice, but it's pushing the limits of the camera in that blown out sky, isn't it?
  Reply With Quote

Old 01-28-2015   #49
GaryLH
Registered User
 
GaryLH's Avatar
 
GaryLH is offline
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 6,185
Thanks Sampurai..

Yeh the third one is a bit blown out on the sky..but it is a ooc jpg..

Gary
__________________
Panasonic LX100, Sigma Foveon, Fuji X and Panasonic CM1
  Reply With Quote

Old 01-29-2015   #50
GaryLH
Registered User
 
GaryLH's Avatar
 
GaryLH is offline
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 6,185
Dp2 Quattro shots. All OOC JPGs w/ my normal Aperture default script applied.







Gary
__________________
Panasonic LX100, Sigma Foveon, Fuji X and Panasonic CM1
  Reply With Quote

Old 01-29-2015   #51
burancap
Registered User
 
burancap's Avatar
 
burancap is offline
Join Date: May 2010
Location: South Carolina
Age: 52
Posts: 2,194
So, how are you folks getting along with the Quattro physically? Specifically, the grip? General handling?
__________________
Jeff
  Reply With Quote

Old 01-29-2015   #52
Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
 
Jamie Pillers's Avatar
 
Jamie Pillers is offline
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Oakland, California
Posts: 3,800
Quote:
Originally Posted by maggieo View Post
Jeeze, I expected to find a thread full of these:


Audi Quattro, September, 2008 by Maggie Osterberg, on Flickr

But seriously, nice work, gang!
Just came across this, Maggie. Good one... definitely worth a smiley face .
  Reply With Quote

Old 01-30-2015   #53
GaryLH
Registered User
 
GaryLH's Avatar
 
GaryLH is offline
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 6,185
Quote:
Originally Posted by burancap View Post
So, how are you folks getting along with the Quattro physically? Specifically, the grip? General handling?
I pretty well adapted to the handling w/in the first 2-3 days if I remember correctly.

W/ the Merrill cameras I needed an rrs grip for two reasons
- the grip and
- the extra weight to help dampen things during shutter release since I normally do not use a tripod
The Quattro is heavy enough, I don't need to look for more weight. The grip does help IMHO in terms of wrist angle and use of the LCD.

I think small to medium size hands should be ok w/ the grip. I suspect that even larger hands maybe ok. The way the front is designed, longer finger should not feel the crimping effect of needing a larger grip, since the fingers can spread over the front of the body. The weight is heavy enough that I don't need to put on an rrs bottom plate for it. Anyway ymmv on both ehe grip and weight.

It fits into my everyday carry bag, turnstyle 10 w/o problems.. It goes in vertical w/ lens axis along the length of the turnstyle 10.

I tend to use a wrist strap and carry the Quattro in two ways
- the normal by the grip approach
- by the body, palm down on the front of the longer section of the body

I still hate the sd card door . Stupid design. After all these months, sometime I still open the battery compartment mention looking the sd card.

Gary
__________________
Panasonic LX100, Sigma Foveon, Fuji X and Panasonic CM1
  Reply With Quote

Old 01-30-2015   #54
GaryLH
Registered User
 
GaryLH's Avatar
 
GaryLH is offline
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 6,185
Forgot to mention...

The dynamic range is still not up to snuff compared to today's cameras. If u print large stay w/ the Merrill cameras and want that fine per pixel detail. Large raw on the Quattro depending on the subject matter, u can c some Bayer like interpretation error.

I should small raw over 90% of the time.. This creates a pseudo 1-1-1 very similar to the Merrill at the cost of small picture (5mp) similar to the pre-Merrill cameras in terms of output.

Gary
__________________
Panasonic LX100, Sigma Foveon, Fuji X and Panasonic CM1
  Reply With Quote

Old 01-30-2015   #55
GaryLH
Registered User
 
GaryLH's Avatar
 
GaryLH is offline
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 6,185
Inside an abandoned gas station near Palm Desert Trail.. OOC JPG w/ my normal Aperture default changes.



Gary
__________________
Panasonic LX100, Sigma Foveon, Fuji X and Panasonic CM1
  Reply With Quote

Old 02-02-2015   #56
Samouraï
Registered User
 
Samouraï's Avatar
 
Samouraï is offline
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 479
Gary, the last four b&w photos are pretty amazing as far as texture and detail and apparent dynamic range. I am very impressed.

I suppose that film will be a bit more forgiving than digital for quite awhile longer. But when you get it right, it doesn't look dissimilar to film with its own special clarity.
  Reply With Quote

Old 02-03-2015   #57
GaryLH
Registered User
 
GaryLH's Avatar
 
GaryLH is offline
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 6,185
Quote:
Originally Posted by Samouraï View Post
Gary, the last four b&w photos are pretty amazing as far as texture and detail and apparent dynamic range. I am very impressed.

I suppose that film will be a bit more forgiving than digital for quite awhile longer. But when you get it right, it doesn't look dissimilar to film with its own special clarity.
Thanks... Film to me has a smoother tonal range then anything I have seen from the digital side (especially if u are doing enlarger work).

Gary
__________________
Panasonic LX100, Sigma Foveon, Fuji X and Panasonic CM1
  Reply With Quote

Old 02-11-2015   #58
EastNeuk
Registered User
 
EastNeuk is offline
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 63
Gary, I particularly like the roofing tiles. It's an attractive and also an engaging image.

Here in the frozen tundra, all I have to take picture of is snow:



  Reply With Quote

Old 02-11-2015   #59
GaryLH
Registered User
 
GaryLH's Avatar
 
GaryLH is offline
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 6,185
Thanks EastNeuk.. Man, it looks cold out there. U need a trip to a warmer climate.. the last shot makes me want to stand by the fireplace.

Gary
__________________
Panasonic LX100, Sigma Foveon, Fuji X and Panasonic CM1
  Reply With Quote

Trees in Oslo
Old 03-01-2015   #60
EastNeuk
Registered User
 
EastNeuk is offline
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 63
Trees in Oslo

  Reply With Quote

Old 03-01-2015   #61
Monochrom
Registered User
 
Monochrom's Avatar
 
Monochrom is offline
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 1,025
beautiful shots...

...has someone done a test between the merrill and the Q?
__________________
M9 Vc 28/3.5 Ltm 5/3.5
Leica IIIF Black Paint
Fuji Gf670
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-02-2015   #62
EastNeuk
Registered User
 
EastNeuk is offline
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 63
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monochrom View Post
beautiful shots...

...has someone done a test between the merrill and the Q?
Thank you (to the extent you're referring to any of my pictures).

There have been comparisons. I think they are mostly outdated. One of the quirks of Sigma cameras is that processing changes each time they issue a new version of SPP. SPP 6.2.1 seems to have made a visible difference in detail rendering on the Quattros. People say all kinds of things about what one does or the other does, but I think they both look good and also in many cases noticeably different.
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-02-2015   #63
Monochrom
Registered User
 
Monochrom's Avatar
 
Monochrom is offline
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 1,025
BTW i´ve sold my merrill...is SPP 6.2.1 faster and easier to work with than previous versions?

I loved my DPM, perhaps the only reason i sold it was i prefered shooting FF with my m9...and for a lightweight compact camera now i have an rx100 I...so sigmas are always in my mind.

Quote:
Originally Posted by EastNeuk View Post
Thank you (to the extent you're referring to any of my pictures).

There have been comparisons. I think they are mostly outdated. One of the quirks of Sigma cameras is that processing changes each time they issue a new version of SPP. SPP 6.2.1 seems to have made a visible difference in detail rendering on the Quattros. People say all kinds of things about what one does or the other does, but I think they both look good and also in many cases noticeably different.
__________________
M9 Vc 28/3.5 Ltm 5/3.5
Leica IIIF Black Paint
Fuji Gf670
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-02-2015   #64
EastNeuk
Registered User
 
EastNeuk is offline
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 63
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monochrom View Post
BTW i´ve sold my merrill...is SPP 6.2.1 faster and easier to work with than previous versions?

I loved my DPM, perhaps the only reason i sold it was i prefered shooting FF with my m9...and for a lightweight compact camera now i have an rx100 I...so sigmas are always in my mind.
SPP 6.2 (I believe) saw a small but useful speed increase with Merrills and Quattros. Nonetheless, it still couldn't be called fast. Sigma has said that the latest update – 6.2.1 – was primarily aimed at improving detail rendering for the Q series and fixing a few other image quality issues. They have said that they will focus on improved speed for the next one.

I've seen many beautiful images with an M9, and I certainly miss working with a rangefinder (I used to have a Fuji GF670 and a Konica Auto S2).

Thinking about your question with respect to the differences, the consensus from most of the comparisons is that Merrills typically produce the appearance of more detail. There is some debate about whether it is real of false detail, but in either case, it usually looks quite impressive. The Q seems to have better and more reliable colour. There was a problem with fine grain noise in Q images, even at base ISO. That seems much improved in 6.2.1. At this point, I'd say the main trade off is in apparent detail versus more pleasing and natural colour handling.

I don't think I would have switched just for IQ reasons, although on balance I slightly prefer the Q. However, the faster operation is enough to make a difference. The two cameras are different enough that it's easy to see how one could prefer either.
  Reply With Quote

Near Finse
Old 03-13-2015   #65
EastNeuk
Registered User
 
EastNeuk is offline
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 63
Near Finse

En route from Oslo to Bergen:

  Reply With Quote

Old 03-13-2015   #66
Dan Daniel
Registered User
 
Dan Daniel is offline
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,265
Quote:
Originally Posted by EastNeuk View Post
En route from Oslo to Bergen:
Amazing. Magical rendering of light in tones.
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-13-2015   #67
Eric T
Registered User
 
Eric T is offline
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 718
Gary,
So which do you prefer, Quattro or Merrill? I haven't taken the plunge to Quattro yet. The Quattro images I have seen just don't inspire me as much as the Merrill images.
Am I missing something?
Thanks,
Eric
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-13-2015   #68
Keith
On leave from Gallifrey
 
Keith's Avatar
 
Keith is online now
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 18,451
Quote:
Originally Posted by EastNeuk View Post
En route from Oslo to Bergen:


Amazing rendering.
__________________
---------------------------
flickr
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-14-2015   #69
GaryLH
Registered User
 
GaryLH's Avatar
 
GaryLH is offline
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 6,185
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric T View Post
Gary,
So which do you prefer, Quattro or Merrill? I haven't taken the plunge to Quattro yet. The Quattro images I have seen just don't inspire me as much as the Merrill images.
Am I missing something?
Thanks,
Eric
Not sure if u are..missing anything. How about I sumarize some aspects of both before I answer u. Btw I have not shot w/ the new fw update, so some of this could be different.

1 - if u like to print big, stick w/ the Merrill will give more resolution in color work, but the quattro because of the top blue channel may be able to do better in monochrome (I don't print big, so just a guess go b&w).
2 - until the Quattro version of the sd1 comes out, only Merrill has a interchangeable lens solution.
3 - the Quattro in large raw has the same interpolation issues as the shots I have seen from the Sony a7r but on the otherhand beats the 24 mp cameras..the Merrill has no such issue...
4 - the Quattro shot in small raw does not have this issue and will still beat a 24mp sesnor camera in MHO at cost of not being able to print large..give a 36 a run for its money in certain situations.
5 - small raw seems to be more accurate at pixel level and closer in terms of true color..
6 - Quattro is one stop better iso performance. If b&w, about 1.5 stops better.
7 - af speed is twice as fast, slight slower than Fuji xp1/xe1
8 - compared to Merrill, Quattro has more contrast, especially noticeable in b&w. As much as I like contrasty shots, I have learned to set contrast controls much lower to bring back tonal range.
9 - physical layout of Quattro vs Merrill is more personal --> u either like it! hate it or have adapted. Longer is not an issue for me.
10 - sd write speed is still slow but better than Merrill.
11 - jpg engine is so good that I can use the ooc jpgs over 90% of the time.
12 - Merrill does not have the newly announced sd0, I used thr Ricoh gr wide angle adapter on the dp1 to get that 21mm fov.
13 - LCD is quite a bit better.
14 - I still hate the stupid sd card door solution.
15 - I don't need a rrs grip on a Quattro. Thus lighter overall then my Merrill solution.
16 - awb seems to be a bit better. On the Merrill series, the dp3 seemed to have been the best.
17 - the weird over loaded magenta issue still happens on the Quattro, just a tad bit less often. I think this is still due to blue channel being so overloaded that there is bleed into the color channels below.

With all that said, neither the Merrill or Quattro is a one camera solution. The Quattro is close though.

Right now I would guess when a foveon solution is required, I tend to use Quattro about 70% of the time followed by dp or sd1 Merrill for the rest for the
- faster af speed
- higher iso

I shoot small raw over 90% of the time since I don't print big, the Merrill non large files just don't look as good to me. Small raw is Quattro version of the pseudo three stack color layer of the Merrill since the blue has to be averaged to get the equivelent info of the red and green color layers.

If I am going someplace I know I want to use a foveon solution, but there is mixed shooting involved, I tend to bring the Quattro plus the Sony a6000 for the af speed.. For pure landscape and still life work, the sd1 or dp Merrill cameras. One camera solution it tends to be the Fuji xt1...where I need the versatility.

I am currently waiting to c what they do w/ the sd1 Quattro. The sd series bodies are bigger and thus a better digital processing engine maybe implemented otherwise, I am not sure why they are taking so long to release it outside of some model specific Quattro sensor to body specific firmware changes like phase detection. If af speed of sd1 Quattro is better than Merrill version, I may pick this up and use my sd1m as a full spectrum camera (ir filter removed) for monochrome only work.

After all this not sure if I really answered your question..mainly trying to give the main reason I use Quattro most of the time, but why Merrill maybe better for other people.

Gary
__________________
Panasonic LX100, Sigma Foveon, Fuji X and Panasonic CM1
  Reply With Quote

Thanks
Old 03-14-2015   #70
EastNeuk
Registered User
 
EastNeuk is offline
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 63
Thanks

Thanks, Dan and Keith, for the kind words.
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-14-2015   #71
Eric T
Registered User
 
Eric T is offline
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 718
Gary,
Thank you for the very thorough and well-reasoned response to my question.
We think very similarly about these things. Like you, I turn to the Fuji XT-1 when I need versatility. But when the light is good and I am not in a hurry, I still can't beat the Sigma SD1m. I have been disappointed by the Sony A7r but I haven't given up on it yet.
So given my other non-Foveon options, I don't need the more rapid AF and processing speed to the Quattros compared to the Merrills. I still use my DP1m and DP2m occasionally.
I suspect that the delay in the Sigma SD1 Quattro may be a battery issue. Battery life on my SD1m is not great.
If Sigma wants more processing power and live view in the Sigma SD1 Quattro, they will need some clever engineering.
Time will tell...
Thanks again for a great response to my question.
Eric
  Reply With Quote

Old 05-20-2015   #72
mingkookoo
Registered User
 
mingkookoo is offline
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 445
Quick snaps at the airport
  Reply With Quote

Old 05-20-2015   #73
VisualDarkness
Registered User
 
VisualDarkness is offline
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Sweden
Posts: 174
Quote:
Originally Posted by EastNeuk View Post
En route from Oslo to Bergen:

Wow, that shot is epic.
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-22-2015   #74
EastNeuk
Registered User
 
EastNeuk is offline
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 63
Thanks! Sorry for the slow motion reply.

A rare (for me) colour photograph:



And two black and whites:



  Reply With Quote

Old 09-16-2015   #75
robert blu
quiet photographer
 
robert blu's Avatar
 
robert blu is offline
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Italy
Age: 68
Posts: 4,691
Interesting thread, I never considered one of this camera until a friend pro photographer and printer show me a few prints from the files of hie quattro dp 2. I should make my homework and learn something more about. Photos and infos very useful, thanks.
robert
__________________
Remember: today is the Day !
from Ruth Bernhard recipe for a long and happy life


my quiet photographer's blog


My RFF photos and my albums on RFF
  Reply With Quote

Old 12-17-2015   #76
Chemophilic
Registered User
 
Chemophilic's Avatar
 
Chemophilic is offline
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: CA, US
Posts: 91
Still learning how to use the dp0:

__________________
Olympus E-M1
My Flickr Gallery

  Reply With Quote

Old 12-21-2015   #77
Chemophilic
Registered User
 
Chemophilic's Avatar
 
Chemophilic is offline
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: CA, US
Posts: 91
__________________
Olympus E-M1
My Flickr Gallery

  Reply With Quote

Old 02-25-2016   #78
mingkookoo
Registered User
 
mingkookoo is offline
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 445
little chubby Oscar
Sigma dp2 Quattro by David Lam, on Flickr
  Reply With Quote

Old 02-25-2016   #79
GaryLH
Registered User
 
GaryLH's Avatar
 
GaryLH is offline
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 6,185
Finally had a chance to go out w/ my dp0.



Gary
__________________
Panasonic LX100, Sigma Foveon, Fuji X and Panasonic CM1
  Reply With Quote

Old 07-01-2016   #80
rhl-oregon
jolly good dog Robert
 
rhl-oregon's Avatar
 
rhl-oregon is offline
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,495



Dp2Q iso200 f2.8 1/800

...Will post some square crops from another series tomorrow
__________________
Robert Hill Long
Eureka California USA


Robert Hill Long Tumblr

  Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 19:31.


vBulletin skin developed by: eXtremepixels
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

All content on this site is Copyright Protected and owned by its respective owner. You may link to content on this site but you may not reproduce any of it in whole or part without written consent from its owner.