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Simon Says -- SimonSawSunlight Photo Technique From time to time its been suggested that RFF have a mentor Photography help section in terms of Technique - how to shoot this or that. 1st of all I had to find someone whose work I really like. 2ndly that photog had to be willing help others. That's the catch: so many excellent photogs just are not wiling to make the time for that, or just as likely, simply don't give a damn about helping others. SimonSawSunlight is an excellent up and coming photog whose work seems to go well beyond his 24 years.

You can view Simon's work at http://www.simonbephotography.com/  and www.facebook.com/simonbphotography Simon has been published in in FAZ (Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung), LFI (Leica Fotografie International) and more recently in Radiate Magazine. He also recently had a large solo-exhibition in Berlin. Not too Shabby! So, let us begin this adventure and see where it goes. Thank for taking this on Simon!


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Old 12-15-2013   #41
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Actually, the lack of photographs of terrorists is a fairly good ready reckoner of what defines a terrorist. Terrorists work in small units in a clandestine manner to inflict violence on whoever will garner the greatest impact. By it's very nature it is almost unphotographable.
Where are the photographs of any of the thousands of car bombs that have been set over the years being set? The reason there aren't any is almost definition initself that those acts are acts of terror.
yet, we all have a (very often 'arabised' and 'muslimised') picture in our head when we hear the word terrorist, and pictures of certain scenes (usually of 'aftermath') and certain places when he think of such acts...
 

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This idea, which is today a widely held view, is simply part of the current ideological distortion.

The earliest uses of the of the word "terror" in relation to public events was during The Terror (1794) in France during the Jacobinist period of the French Revolution. "Terror" originally refers *exclusively* to the violence exercised by a State upon its people. Modern states, it will be remembered, are precisely defined by holding a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence. Hence, the original source of "terrorism" is the modern State.

Today the common definition of terrorism has been completely reversed. Now it seems that "terrorism" is never applied to States, but only and exclusively to non-State actors. This appears to make sense until we begin to look more closely at the transformations that have been occurring to States since the process of "globalization" began several decades ago. In fact, States have been progressively privatized and corporatized, leading to a situation today that is very much the reflection of that old Marxist dictum, "the State is always a state of class." Class, however, in a globalized era, isn't just something that happens inside a country; class is also a process that occurs on a global scale. Once we begin to look at the connections between economy and politics on a global scale, it becomes clear that State terrorism, which often goes cynically by the name of humanitarian intervention, is still very much alive and well. (Check out Christiane Vollaire, L'humanitaire le coeur de la guerre [Humanitarianism, the heart of war]).

People who talk only about "the terrorists" (such as Al Qaida, The Base Organization) yet forget about State Terror (such as drones, or 'copter attacks on children) and the extremely manipulative big money interests behind it are simply repeating the ideology of the current Reign of Terror.

But at least we should not suppress history and distort the definition of political terror.
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Simon this FBI statistic might be interesting in the US context of terrorism and Arabs

http://fareus.wordpress.com/2010/01/...-sind-moslems/
 

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The problem is the one who is called a Terrorist is for some other a freedom fighter and hero - so what is terrorism and is there realy one?
It allways depends on which side you are standing.

A catholic in northern Ireland wouldn´t have called the IRA Terrorists - a british soldier ordered to Belfast ...
I am a freedom fighter; you are a guerilla; he is a terrorist.
 

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terrorism is authority and power
 

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There is a current example of the 1794 "terror" in North Korea, at least according to the government of South Korea, and the phrase "reign of terror" has definitely been used of other state actors over the last few decades (Stalin, Pol Pot, Great Leap Forward, usw.)

Also, of course, terrorism has been photographed: beheading videos, for example.

The thing is, we tend to imagine that terrorists want to project "positive" images (getting people on their side) but this is not necessarily the case. A "negative" image ("this is what will happen to you unless you give in to our demands") might be equally effective in the long term. We all deplore beheading videos; but none of us is keen on being beheaded with a knife.

A very interesting question is however raised by an old legal question. Which is more effective, severity of punishment or certainty of punishment? In other words, if you knew that there was a 95% chance of paying a $1000 fine for speeding, would this be as great a deterrent (or greater, or less) as compared with a 0.00001% chance of having your head sawed off for denigrating Islam? Or indeed a 0.0001% chance of being banged up for supporting violent Salafist jihad? Or a 0.01% chance of having your right hand cut off for speeding? The question about the monopoly of legitimized violence (which is not necessarily the same thing as legitimate violence) is, as others have said, a political question.

Finally, to those who say, "Duh, this is a photographic forum, not a political forum" (and there are always some) I'd make a simple point. The only reason you are free to enjoy a forum like this is because there are people who support a society in which you can't be beheaded for using a Leica instead of a Canon. They care about politics, and take responsibility, even if you won't. Of course this is an exaggeration -- but it's (very loosely) based on the exaggerations of those who use "love" for "quite like" and "hate" for "am not keen on". As soon as you lose sight of calm rational discourse without ridiculous hyperbole; well, you've lost sight of calm rational discourse without ridiculous hyperbole.

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"A very interesting question is however raised by an old legal question. Which is more effective, severity of punishment or certainty of punishment? "

Severity on the punishment side leads to severity on the crime side. The three strikes in the US is one of the quiet frankly dumbest things every invented in any legal system. A robber will resort to more violence even deadly violence if he risks a life in prison because he was already caught 2 times. It's also a well known fact that the use of death penalty or long imprisonment for crimes results in more violent crimes as the criminal has to fear either a long incarceration or death so it doesn't matter to him wether he gets the death penalty for kidnapping or murden death penalty is death penalty and dead is dead.
 

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"A very interesting question is however raised by an old legal question. Which is more effective, severity of punishment or certainty of punishment? "

Severity on the punishment side leads to severity on the crime side. The three strikes in the US is one of the quiet frankly dumbest things every invented in any legal system. A robber will resort to more violence even deadly violence if he risks a life in prison because he was already caught 2 times. It's also a well known fact that the use of death penalty or long imprisonment for crimes results in more violent crimes as the criminal has to fear either a long incarceration or death so it doesn't matter to him wether he gets the death penalty for kidnapping or murden death penalty is death penalty and dead is dead.
It is very hard to argue with this. A particularly clear example is sex crimes against little girls. A killer may very well get a sentence as long as someone convicted of rape. As "dead men tell no tales" (and the same is equally true of dead little girls) the rapist has quite an incentive to murder the unfortunate child.

And of course here's the recent Korean example of failing to applaud the Great Successor with sufficient enthusiasm. As this apparently carries the death penalty, why not plot the overthrow of the state as well?

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Israel does very well in creating terrorists, suicide bomber kills himself and many others and the family get punished despite the fact that the family often has nothing to do with his terrorist activities. Younger brother sees the destruction of his house by Israeli government, another terrorist has just been created. Russia plans to adopt a similar policy toward the families of terrorists. Politicians need terrorism and severe crime because they can sell restrictions (e.g. free speech) under the guise of national securitiy or fighting crime. They are also very aware that their actions causes more severe crimes and terrorism but they do everything to stay in power. For instance if you condone a terrorist act (say GW. Bush was maimed which I do not condone but a victim of his wars might) publicly meaning in an internet forum or in place with more than 30 people you risk a jail sentence of up to 5 years in Austria. Under the guise of fighting terrorism and crime governments around the world have taken away basic human rights like free speech, privacy, etc... Honestly have they stopped crime or terrorism no because they don't want to
 

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... are you suggesting they're not incompetent or stupid?
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Americans should vote independent, not red or blue

You wanted pictures? Well, I've one - well, not me but Wikimedia:

Bundesarchiv, Bild 183-J27288 / Koll / CC-BY-SA [CC-BY-SA-3.0-de (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/...0/de/deed.en)], via Wikimedia Commons

To the Germans French resistance was a terrorist organisation. The war on terrorism wasn't an invention of the Bush administration

Somebody said "all Muslim aggression since 1980 follows this latter pattern of indiscriminate violence with no clear intent beyond hurting the maximum number of non-combatants, regardless of who or what they are." and that simply isn't true. Al Queda bombing of US Embassies and the USS Cole were legitimate. Also, the actions of the Mudjaheddin in Afghanistan also weren't indiscriminate, as was the attack on the Pentagon on 9/11. Muslim terrorists feel that their families are threatened and even killed by the west. They often refer to the suffering of "their women and children" to justify what they consider collateral damage.

I don't have a sound definition of terrorist - maybe we should simply stop using the term....
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Terrorism is, as said also here, a word of many meanings... War on terrorism, is another one, It was fabricated by Bush Junior, on very questionable reasons. After all those "wars". the fact remains, there is no "winner", yes maybe one... OIL INDUSTRY. Now everyone will see there will be a shift in interest when USA has developed new techniques of producing oil and will be self sufficent. No reason to pour money to Far and Near East ...What remais is those useless chekings at airport where people lose time in travelling
 

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... link, show, tell, discuss. what is terrorism? who are terrorists? what is terrorism used for and what is used against it? what interesting photography is there on the subject? how is photography (or video, and journalism in general) used in the context? [...]
i know this is a little against rff rules, but (as the terrorist i am) i ask you not to be shy when you think what you are saying is too "political" (whatever that means), please...
(a big old hello to the mods! )

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Terrorism
ter·ror·ism noun \ˈter-ər-ˌi-zəm\
: the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal

Full Definition of TERRORISM
: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion
(source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terrorism )

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Terrorist
Syllabification: (ter·ror·ist)
Pronunciation: /ˈterərist/
Translate terrorist | into French | into German | into Italian | into Spanish
noun
a person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims
(source: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us...lish/terrorist )

Examples of terrorism would include but are not limited to the following:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lcYTJx9Y1c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWHAf70RP8s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEH4ZVMSLOk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5eOknaXgYU
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The RAF for example had a lot of the public behind them when they started, because they didn't target "innocents" but bankers, leading Prosecutors etc... after a while though they went over the top and the tide turned against them.
The RAF didn't have "a lot of the public behind them when they started". Sorry, but this is plain and utter nonsense. They had a small group of radical supporters and sympathizers behind them (maybe a couple of thousands at most) and that's it. The first victim of the RAF (1971) wasn't a banker or a prosecutor but Norbert Schmid, a plain-clothes policeman that happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. And the RAF kept that ugly habit of leaving the dead bodies of common people (drivers, ordinary policemen, customs officers, housewives) lying around ever since. Collateral damage, that was, I guess.
There was no "going over the top" or a "tide turning against them", they were over the top right from the start and fighting on lost ground because their idea of urban guerilla warfare was completely disconnected from the realities of West German society in the late 60s and early 70s.
 

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... ah! there is another RAF ... I was losing the plot for a bit there
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... ah! there is another RAF ... I was losing the plot for a bit there
And they both bombed Germany
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One interesting example of the definition of "terrorists" comes in my mind: The guerrilla fighters of Warzaw ghetto: They were trained for using arms (even produced copy Sten machine guns) trained with explosives and other needed Terror acts (Mostly studying the nazis). After Russians finally came, some of them were able to escape to Palestine. There they formed IRGUN , the terror/freedom fighters of the new state Israel. They blew up the KING DAVID hotel that was the headquarters of the British. The freedom fighting was aimed at throwing the arabs out, so the IRGUN fighters became heroes. The arabs that made resistance became "terrorists". This has been going on now for 60 years, with no end in sight... Who is the hero, who the terrorist ? It is now clear that Arab countries finance the palestine fighters and everyone knows USA finances Israel. But how long? What does USA gain in supplyig money to that villain state that "once was the promised land" What does the Arab countries gain in pouring money to fighters now, when USA is losing interest in Arab oil, as they are becoming self sufficent because of new technologies.. Tell me...
 

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If the massacre at Oradour s/Glane -- http://www.oradour.info/ -- was not terrorism, it's hard to see what is. Dictionary definitions are less than worthless in the face of such evidence. And, as Rangefinderfreak says, there really are times when "terrorist" and "freedom fighter" depend purely and simply on your political and moral views. Another good example is Uighurstan.

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You sir, have either no idea what you are talking about, or are blinded by an incredible level of prejudice and hate against Israel and the US.
smells bad...
What you say is UNTRUE: I have several volunteer friends in Finnish peacekeeping forces in UN forces, both military and Medical... Just please check this link:
http://peacekeepingfinland.fi/ talks with them has been very worthwhile in forming my knowledge of the matter...
Also an unbiased view of history of near and middle east, would be worthwhile: http://www.abadieschill.com/2012/07/...e-eastern-oil/
This is a brief description of the history but not an explanation on WHY all this happened: http://www.npr.org/news/specials/mideast/history/

In short: THIS is the reason Arabs pour money to "terrorists" and USA to israel: Jointly they make sure there is no interruption in oil supply:

"Through Western eyes, modern day Iran is often seen primarily as an irrational actor being driven by radical Shia clerics, but this country has gained substantial political influence in the Middle East by way of calculating support of Hezbollah, Hamas, the currently embattled regime in Syria, and other Shia groups in Sunni dominated states. It is also possible that the Middle East is seeing a rise in Sunni dominance and influence by way of the recent Arab Spring in Egypt, Libya and Syria, which will further solidify the alliance between the United States and the oil rich states of the Gulf region." -quote..."There is no business like oil business, better than Arms business" With the price of barrel of oil starting at $ 16-18,- and ending at $ 170,- in what other business you have a mark up of ten times the production price ?
 

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... perhaps this could settle any disputes in this area
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You sir, have either no idea what you are talking about, or are blinded by an incredible level of prejudice and hate against Israel and the US.
smells bad...
Very touchy subject not to be discussed..Israel
 

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Just checking "your blood"... jew from France,now living in Israel, to mine: A finn living in Finland and in a country active in many peace processes around the globe. Do you think my views are hypocrisy and showing "double standards". We had recently a program in TV about israel and palestinians. The actor said: Look, there is the fence. What you see behind it..Nothing ! On our side there is trees full of oranges, land full of vegetables. People are working, go to schools. The other guy remarked: Yes, you have all the money, your people came from countries where you could get education, you could travel where ever you wanted. These people are PRISONERS... You are preventing them all of the life you have... How can you ever compare...
 

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Was the Turkish treatment of the Armenians terrorism or genocide?
 

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Was the Turkish treatment of the Armenians terrorism or genocide?
... "After all, who remembers today the extermination of the Armenians?" ... is attributed to Adolf Hitler ...

... and, as we know Adolf Hitler is the internet equivalent of Mornington Crescent
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When people say "What me worry, world is ready"... do you think it is, nothing to change, nothing to improve... The problem is: what is the right "medicine", the right actions to a change... tell me...
 

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The sad and steady hopeless progression of this thread shows me that the moderators should have killed it when it was posted. Why did they allow this stream of chicken soup philosophy on a photography site beats me.
 

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It was about "terrorism and photography", right ? Do you think the guys out there shooting those images of war and terrorism , were only thinking about photography, pixels and what lens would suit those images best???
 

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The sad and steady hopeless progression of this thread shows me that the moderators should have killed it when it was posted. Why did they allow this stream of chicken soup philosophy on a photography site beats me.
It beats me why people want threads they don't like deleted rather than just stop reading it themselves. Why should you decide for everyone else what they should or shouldn't read?
 

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This is also an opinion: http://hybridtechcar.com/10-modern-war-photographers/
 

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The sad and steady hopeless progression of this thread shows me that the moderators should have killed it when it was posted. Why did they allow this stream of chicken soup philosophy on a photography site beats me.
Why allow ANYTHING except anodyne drivel on whether Version II or Version III has better bokeh?

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It was about "terrorism and photography", right ? Do you think the guys out there shooting those images of war and terrorism , were only thinking about photography, pixels and what lens would suit those images best???
Well, yes, but if your world picture is so rigid that you are too frightened to think about WHY people might espouse a cause and try to increase people's knowledge of the problems, then probably pixels and lenses are a lot more important than life or death. As for providing a real-world example that will drive the bigots or vested interests on either side into incandescent rage... No, stick with the pixels and whether Version II or Version III is better. After all, Eugene Smith's pictures of Minamata were just worthless muck-stirring...

Did you see that the 2013 global treaty on mercury poisoning is generally known as the Minamata treaty?

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Well, yes, but if your world picture is so rigid that you are too frightened to think about WHY people might espouse a cause and try to increase people's knowledge of the problems, then probably pixels and lenses are a lot more important than life or death. As for providing a real-world example that will drive the bigots or vested interests on either side into incandescent rage... No, stick with the pixels and whether Version II or Version III is better. After all, Eugene Smith's pictures of Minamata were just worthless muck-stirring...

Did you see that the 2013 global treaty on mercury poisoning is generally known as the Minamata treaty?

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although i cannot speak for all, i have met many of the folks out there on the front lines in person and very, very few of them are talking about anything camera related. unless of course one of the tools is broken or in need of some sort of service.
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Roger, you are right ! version III is better because it fits the M8, version II only analog leicas... Roger. also: Do you think I should get more M leicas, as Mr kaufmann is absolutely on the wrong track, he should have invested in an aluminum hut in Wetzlar so he could have had a 50% discount sale on Digital leicas. THAT would have saved the world, or at least the conversation on rangefinder forum...(besides I dug what you said in the private message..I should have listened to you !)
 

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although i cannot speak for all, i have met many of the folks out there on the front lines in person and very, very few of them are talking about anything camera related. unless of course one of the tools is broken or in need of some sort of service.
Well, quite. But the people who are obsessive about bokeh (for example) don't usually have much else to talk about. Conviction? Passion? Fairness? Justice? Life and death? Nah... Version II or Version III.

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Old 12-26-2013   #78
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. . . Do you think I should get more M leicas, as Mr kaufmann is absolutely on the wrong track . . .
For sure. After all, EVERYONE on RFF knows more about how to run Leica than... um... the owner.

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I don't see anything wrong with a contribution that says, in effect, "this is not something I like to talk about and I wish others would not, either". I feel that a contribution saying, "Well I like to talk about it", is also valid.

It seems to me that this exchange of views is the whole point of a forum.
Until you want others' views suppressed, yes.

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Further thought. "The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them." (Lenin)

And those who hide their heads in the sand are doing something akin to buying rope off the communists.

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