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Simon Says -- SimonSawSunlight Photo Technique From time to time its been suggested that RFF have a mentor Photography help section in terms of Technique - how to shoot this or that. 1st of all I had to find someone whose work I really like. 2ndly that photog had to be willing help others. That's the catch: so many excellent photogs just are not wiling to make the time for that, or just as likely, simply don't give a damn about helping others. SimonSawSunlight is an excellent up and coming photog whose work seems to go well beyond his 24 years.

You can view Simon's work at http://www.simonbephotography.com/  and www.facebook.com/simonbphotography Simon has been published in in FAZ (Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung), LFI (Leica Fotografie International) and more recently in Radiate Magazine. He also recently had a large solo-exhibition in Berlin. Not too Shabby! So, let us begin this adventure and see where it goes. Thank for taking this on Simon!


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Old 05-22-2013   #1
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an absolute statement

i think the only things that ultimately matter in photography are timing and perspective. everything else is opinion (or nostalgia... or masturbation... or...).

i'm saying this, but i also think that absolute statements like the above are always just a means to convey an idea (or maybe to bring one's feet back to the ground) and should not be taken too seriously in all their absoluteness. i like (intelligent) radical statements though. and now i'm just blabbering.
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Absolute Truth , Nothing Absolute ... in All things
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while sounding absolute -semantically and linguistically -- your statement leaves lots of wiggle room for (mis)interpretation. that said, I mostly agree. so, keep on blabbering.
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your statement leaves lots of wiggle room for (mis)interpretation.
yes! that's the beauty of it, isn't it?
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Someone agrees with you...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7SXO91sR8g

There are other things of course and they can be important. But these 2 really determine more than anything else, what your picture is going to look like.
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Ultimately....

But what constructs the perspective, and what instigates the timing?

Ultimately, would the only thing that matters not be our own selves?
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If you are having fun with your hobby (or job, if photography pays the bills), then what do definitions matter?

I'm a lousy photographer but I love to tinker with photographic equipment and bits and pieces. I "see" in a box of photo related junk an invention or contraption or some such thing. I love things that can do double duty. If I can get it cheap, like 25 cents to a buck, I'll buy photographic stuff to stash away just because I see some invention in my mind.

This is where I'm coming from. Probably does not mean anything to anyone else but so what, I'm having fun.
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I'd add 'subject matter' to the mix in there.
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Ha, I like that Stewart !!!
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Ha, I like that Stewart !!!
and to further Speculate
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The accumulation of points and an exploration of the voids that separate them, in both space and over time … images of shape and form in their homeland the birthplace of geometry, trapped by the genius of photography into thin wafers, planes of reality, time held forever on the printed page. The incongruity of dimensions compressed, constrained yet still perceived … time and shape recognised as a reality of sorts, portrayed by shade and light, shadow and violent sunlight as a mirage of an alternative reality.


A surfeit of time … or more properly, the absence of urgency found in the idleness, the oppression, of the Hellenic summer promoting idle contention, speculation. The geometry of inconsequential things … the art of the ordinary, connected by lines of idle imagination, as did changeless constellations converging in ancient minds. The beauty of the ordinary, of the everyday, mapped-out by the camera into simple plan … here for others to unpack, be re-projected by other minds to new perceptions of the same instant, the same thin slice of time, re-projected onto endless realities.

... bit verbose at the moment, something I'm working on but it needs a good edit
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Photography is ultimately all about:

'I saw this scene, in the confine of this focal length, in this lighting condition and then I processed the file in this way and now look at it and tell me what you think or feel.'


Photography might not be geometry but photography is a science of visual communication - not art, "Art is creating something out of nothing" -Daido Moriyama - photography is copying what is already out there. You can only photograph what is, not what could be or what was.
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yes! that's the beauty of it, isn't it?
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Controlling contrast is most important. Composition is next. Then you have to get the timing right. There you have it all...almost.

This is what I have heard about "it"...
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Photography is ultimately all about:

'I saw this scene, in the confine of this focal length, in this lighting condition and then I processed the file in this way and now look at it and tell me what you think or feel.'


Photography might not be geometry but photography is a science of visual communication - not art, "Art is creating something out of nothing" -Daido Moriyama - photography is copying what is already out there. You can only photograph what is, not what could be or what was.
I believe with composition you can create something out of nothing. I have seen magical power of seeing from members here that it's totally out of ordinary things. It drives me to keep trying to convey my own vision of the daily life.
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i think different photographers
bring a different "perspective"
into it, for HCB, i think it was
geometry and add a dash of
decisive moment.

So perspective and timing as you said.
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i think the only things that ultimately matter in photography are timing and perspective. everything else is opinion (or nostalgia... or masturbation... or...).

i'm saying this, but i also think that absolute statements like the above are always just a means to convey an idea (or maybe to bring one's feet back to the ground) and should not be taken too seriously in all their absoluteness. i like (intelligent) radical statements though. and now i'm just blabbering.

All photos tell a story.
Photos must tell a story.
Digital is rubbish.
Film is for hipsters.
Rangefinders are for masochists.
All professionals use expensive SLRs.

etc etc

In an era of "best -insert noun- ever", "this is epic!" and "absolutely a-mey-zing!" being thrown gratuitously, absolutes are absolutely and epically meaningless. More of an indicator of bias and tunnel vision. Like, always.

There is only one rule: all absolutes are absolutely wrong. Always
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Like when sin(x)/x when x = 0, then sin(x)/x = 1, because 0/0 = 1 !

Details and facts notwithstanding
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The accumulation of points and an exploration of the voids that separate them, in both space and over time … images of shape and form in their homeland the birthplace of geometry, trapped by the genius of photography into thin wafers, planes of reality, time held forever on the printed page. The incongruity of dimensions compressed, constrained yet still perceived … time and shape recognised as a reality of sorts, portrayed by shade and light, shadow and violent sunlight as a mirage of an alternative reality.


A surfeit of time … or more properly, the absence of urgency found in the idleness, the oppression, of the Hellenic summer promoting idle contention, speculation. The geometry of inconsequential things … the art of the ordinary, connected by lines of idle imagination, as did changeless constellations converging in ancient minds. The beauty of the ordinary, of the everyday, mapped-out by the camera into simple plan … here for others to unpack, be re-projected by other minds to new perceptions of the same instant, the same thin slice of time, re-projected onto endless realities.

... bit verbose at the moment, something I'm working on but it needs a good edit
Quite beautiful Stewart. And from a man who decries the looks of the M5.
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The accumulation of points and an exploration of the voids that separate them, in both space and over time … images of shape and form in their homeland the birthplace of geometry, trapped by the genius of photography into thin wafers, planes of reality, time held forever on the printed page. The incongruity of dimensions compressed, constrained yet still perceived … time and shape recognised as a reality of sorts, portrayed by shade and light, shadow and violent sunlight as a mirage of an alternative reality.


A surfeit of time … or more properly, the absence of urgency found in the idleness, the oppression, of the Hellenic summer promoting idle contention, speculation. The geometry of inconsequential things … the art of the ordinary, connected by lines of idle imagination, as did changeless constellations converging in ancient minds. The beauty of the ordinary, of the everyday, mapped-out by the camera into simple plan … here for others to unpack, be re-projected by other minds to new perceptions of the same instant, the same thin slice of time, re-projected onto endless realities.

... bit verbose at the moment, something I'm working on but it needs a good edit

Sorry Stewart,

after treading this bit I completely missed the rest of your post while thinking it over, and liking it!




Taking it with me today while out shooting, thanks!
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Quite beautiful Stewart. And from a man who decries the looks of the M5.
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+1 on your lovely prose, Stewart.

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... thanks chaps, its the Preface for a portfolio I'm trying print at the moment, well more faffing with than printing ... it's been a work in progress for about three years now
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Composition or framing?

In my limited knowledge, composing is putting things together to create something, with photography isn't it more about "framing" than composition?
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Composition or framing?

In my limited knowledge, composing is putting things together to create something, with photography isn't it more about "framing" than composition?
No.

Where you stand, what you align, the height of the camera and the angle at which you hold it and the exposure and the development and a number of other things will all affect what is recorded within the frame. Composition it truly is.
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Just my 2 cents, but I think any statement on art is futile. Even more in these days of consumer and digital society.

But anyway, I´ve always been on a very neantherthal side when it´s about art philosophies
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No.

Where you stand, what you align, the height of the camera and the angle at which you hold it and the exposure and the development and a number of other things will all affect what is recorded within the frame. Composition it truly is.
I don't have an artistic background and in fact I cannot draw anything, so I wouldn't know. But when I look at some of the classic paintings, its mind boggling how the artist put everything just right, to me that is composition.

Maybe photography is more like framing a composition?
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I don't have an artistic background and in fact I cannot draw anything, so I wouldn't know. But when I look at some of the classic paintings, its mind boggling how the artist put everything just right, to me that is composition.

Maybe photography is more like framing a composition?
When drawing or painting one chooses what to put in, when photographing one must choose what to leave out ... it's quite different
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When drawing or painting one chooses what to put in, when photographing one must choose what to leave out ... it's quite different
Composing is putting stuff in the canvas; framing, leaving stuff outside.

So, when it comes to photography its framing?
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When drawing or painting one chooses what to put in, when photographing one must choose what to leave out ... it's quite different
They are different but one can choose to leave things in or out with either process (to degree).
What really makes them different is that drawing and painting are cumulative (you make one mark and then can decide what comes next based on that. But taking a photograph is instantaneous (it is all put together at once).

Composition, subject, etc. are dependent on perspective (where you point the camera) and timing (when you push the button), which is why the op's "absolute statement" has validity.
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Composing is putting stuff in the canvas; framing, leaving stuff outside.

So, when it comes to photography its framing?
No with photography one is dealing with negative space, the creative drive is exclusive ... with painting or drawing it's a matter of including that which is needed to display ones concept to others

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They are different but one can choose to leave things in or out with either process (to degree).
What really makes them different is that drawing and painting are cumulative (you make one mark and then can decide what comes next based on that. But taking a photograph is instantaneous (it is all put together at once).

Composition, subject, etc. are dependent on perspective (where you point the camera) and timing (when you push the button), which is why the op's "absolute statement" has validity.
Not really, I have a concept then work toward it, the concept is as instant as a photograph ... do you paint or draw btw?
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Look, you don't have to be a painter (or a photographer) to observe that in painting you put the marks down one at a time (and can make decisions & changes as you go), and in photography, you make them all at once (and finally).

Are you saying that you plan out every brush stroke in your head beforehand and then simply execute that plan?
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and...?

Look, you don't have to be a painter (or a photographer) to observe that in painting you put the marks down one at a time (and can make decisions & changes as you go), and in photography, you make them all at once (and finally).

Are you saying that you plan out every brush stroke in your head beforehand and then simply execute that plan?
... fine believe what you like ... you clearly don't need any advice
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