W/NW: The Mandler 21 (pre-asph Elmarit)
Old 10-25-2015   #1
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W/NW: The Mandler 21 (pre-asph Elmarit)

After more than 10 years of not shooting anything wider than 28, I decided to try ultra-wide again. Enter an E60 Elmarit about a month ago.



A little on the large side, but - so far - it feels and behaves like my other Mandler lenses.

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This thread is to share photos with this lens.

Last week in Tokyo:





Waiting at the airport



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Today in Southern Germany ("Allgaeu")
Old 10-25-2015   #2
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Today in Southern Germany ("Allgaeu")



If you use this lens as well, show some pics !

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Old 10-25-2015   #3
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nice shots roland. i have been shooting this lens for a year and i love it. it is my go to lens on my rd1; perfect for street work. it is amazing to me that nothing on this forum even mentions this lens while the slower elmar seems to get so much love. especially with this being a mandler lens. i love the rendering. it has beautiful sharpness and lovely color profiles. hopefully this thread will open some eyes, thanks for posting!
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Old 10-25-2015   #4
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Thanks, Tony. Also seemed to me that it didn't get appropriate love on RFF (last related thread was 2011). I feel it goes really nice on the dark tones and has a beautiful focus->OOF rendering. And when I tested it - it was very sharp closed down.

Hopefully we get to see more photos ....

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Old 10-25-2015   #5
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That's a nice lens and some nice photos with it. Enjoy!

I had one of those first, but traded it for a 24mm back in the day. Much as I like the 21 view of the world, I find it takes a special mindset for me to get the most out of it; I'm more likely to get there with a slightly longer lens. I thought of that a lot when I was looking for a wide recently and went for a 24 again.

I'll be interested to see your photos with it develop.

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ok roland, i'll throw some in, off my rd1:







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Love that one, Tony. I can "hear" the water.
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Old 10-25-2015   #8
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Love that one, Tony. I can "hear" the water.
Yeah that's a nice spot. So strong that water.
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Old 10-26-2015   #9
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thank you both! we're very lucky as thats where we live. its my most photographed scene by far, as it changes so much, yet stays essentially the same. for that one i zone focused at f8 and put the rd1 just about as close to the water as i was comfortable. this lens is so compact, so fast for a 21, and way sharp enough for me. the rd1, along with the x100, imo, have reached the top of b&w digital rendering.
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Castle Hohenschwangau
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Castle Hohenschwangau

From this morning; lucky to have fog.





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Postcards from Munich
Old 10-28-2015   #11
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Postcards from Munich







Bump. Any other 21 Elmarit users ?

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Direct JPEG outputs (or ones with minimum level of manipulation) always have a certain charm...a taste of the digital medium itself. Love it.
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Direct JPEG outputs (or ones with minimum level of manipulation) always have a certain charm...a taste of the digital medium itself. Love it.
Thanks. I try to keep manipulations minimal. Typically mostly pulling the shadows a little. I have to admit that I'm still struggling with digital WB.
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Old 10-31-2015   #14
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This must be the least popular Leica lens ever

At a customer dinner two weeks ago:



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Old 10-31-2015   #15
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Sunday afternoon a week ago with my parents who live in Bavaria, half a world away from us:





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Another plane ride ...
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Another plane ride ...





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On a M8.2

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This must be the least popular Leica lens ever
i don't think so. to me, it seems to be more of an unspectacular workhorse.

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i am eager to learn what is 'spectacular' about leica's other, more popular 21mm lenses. thanks in advance.
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Here are my samples with my 21/2.8 on my m8 and m9:
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Here are my samples with my 21/2.8 on my m8 and m9:

The Beach 2-1 by Palenquero Photography, on Flickr

Fishing Spot-1 by Palenquero Photography, on Flickr


LeicaM21mmf2.8-TheGhost2-1 by Palenquero Photography, on Flickr

LeicaM21mmf2.8-Downtown-1 by Palenquero Photography, on Flickr


LeicaM21mmf2.8-UnionStation1-1 by Palenquero Photography, on Flickr


LeicaM21mmf2.8-Downtown6-1 by Palenquero Photography, on Flickr

LeicaM21mmf2.8-Downtown4-1 by Palenquero Photography, on Flickr
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35mm f2 Summicron on one M9 and the 21mm f2.8 Elmarit on a second and a couple of other lenses in the bag. That's my idea of an ideal travel outfit.

M9 and 21/2.8..



Belo Mansion in Dallas. Now home to a legal organization, at one time it was a funeral home, with one of the more notorious funerals being that of Clyde Barrow..

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MM ~ Elmarit-M 21mm f2.8 pre-ASPH




M-P 240 ~ Elmarit-M 21mm f2.8 pre-ASPH
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Old 02-08-2016   #23
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I had one for years and never had any issues with it. It was head and shoulders better than my 21/4 Super Angulon lens. I sold it years before I purchased my M9, so I don't have any images handy to show. I recently purchased a mint 21/2.8 ASPH and I have no issues with that one either. According to Erwin, it is much better than the pre-ASPH lens. I hate to say it, but a low-priced alternative is the 21/4 Color Skopar. It is no slouch and compares very well to the ASPH lens.
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Old 06-09-2016   #24
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My 3 favorite Elmarit photos taken on our recent camping trip (http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...d.php?t=156235). At f5.6, this lens really performs second to none; love it. All without hood and using LV:







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Old 06-09-2016   #25
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what well behaved dogs with that tempting steak right there!

great shots too, particularly like the b&w picnic table in the water.
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My 3 favorite Elmarit photos taken on our recent camping trip (http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...d.php?t=156235). At f5.6, this lens really performs second to none; love it. All without hood and using LV:


Roland.
Your finding is different from what we read, which is that the Elmarit M lags behind at f5.6 I go with your photos! Love these lenses and looks fun times camping

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Old 06-11-2016   #27
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Thanks, Phil and David.

David, here is what Puts writes about the pre-asph:

"... The general performance of the Elmarit-M lens is better than that of the Super-Angulon at f/3.4. ...At f/4.0 extremely fine details are visible with good contrast in the center and within a 12 mm diameter circle around the center. ...Optimum performance is reached at f/5.6 with extremely fine details now visible over the entire image area into the outermost corners. Subject outlines, especially in the outer zones, have soft edges, giving an overall impression of a smooth, somewhat subdued image....Generally speaking, this lens is a commendable performer and an improvement over the Super-Angulon lens....The Elmarit-M handles light sources quite well at full aperture. In strong backlight the silhouettes of tree branches are dark (no leaking of light around the edges) and sharply outlined"

He later also reviews the 21/2.8 ASPH, and recommends it as the better performer wide open but also notes that it has more distortion than the pre-ASPH.

The way I interpret this as a user is that @f5.6, the pre-ASPH has high resolution with lower contrast in the corners, with typical Mandler contrast handling (nice on the dark tones). The ASPH might be technically better, but at f5.6, the pre-ASPH already outperforms the 240 sensor. Just for fun, a 100% crop of the bench photo above:



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Thanks for that Roland,

Your crop here is impressive- and very nice picture by the way! I had read that from Puts, but also recently saw this comparison- http://leica.nemeng.com/029ba.shtml who states that at f5.6, "the 21P lags behind notably". After reading several other remarks about the lens, I wondered whether there is variation from early batches (serial 321xxxx) to later ones of which there are two that I have experience with (serials in 35xxxxx). Anyway my findings were different and consistent with what you have shown here although I never ran tests. My interest was revived recently because I am back to Leica M9, I have one of these on it's way now.

And looking at that barbeque grill and the size of your pups, I'd say the modest cut in the foreground on the grill was for you and the other two......well they wouldn't have lasted long!
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Have no fear, David, I'm sure it will perform well on the M9.

I just got a framed 12x18 print of pic 3 / post 24 above. I looked close, and thought the printshop had scratched my picture ... turns out to be a plane:



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If you use this lens as well, show some pics !

Roland.
Okay a little late to the party but absolutely gorgeous morning you've shared here Roland.

Cheers,
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Old 06-23-2016   #31
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Thanks a lot ! Looking forward to your pictures ...
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The Queen Mary.

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Darn all of you. Now I'll have to get mine out of the 'to be repaired' drawer and send it off to have the lens shade locating ring reattached. Drat.
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Old 11-14-2016   #34
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You guys are killing it here

The lens looks fantastic, and very little distortion. I use the profile for this lens on ZM 18 and CV 21/4. I have a SEM 21, which I really like, but 2.8 could be useful.

How do we compare this lens to the ZM 21/2.8?
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Just bought one of these Mandler 21mm lenses about a month ago to use on a trip to Japan. I'm using it on a Leica M6 with a Leitz viewfinder. Loved it. Used it for both colour and b&w and results were quite good. Came quite close to buying one of the Zeiss 21mm lenses but the price on the Elmarit -- in quite fine condition -- was unbeatable. No regrets and no desire to change it for anything else/better.
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The colorfull edge by Albert K., on Flickr


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These are fine photographs, but may I recommend: "Real World Image Sharpening" by Fraser and Schewe? They could be even better when crisped up.
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Interesting Jaap,
the book is about sharpening creatively, and introduces what I might call 'Zone Sharpening'. I looked at the Amazon preview, interesting book. I will ask it for birthday in exactly one years time

My appraisal: I tend to think that for the last 2 (Downtown 6-1 and 4-1): a little bit of OOF of the background might focus the attention more on the central object (subject?); make it pop.
(I have this art historians & museum background so I may say this Pepe, hope not being an eternal critic , I like the pictures' compositions.)
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Three 21 Elmarit photos of Utah over Christmas (in addition to the two in the PP challenge):







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