Show off your Leica Wartime IIIb IIIc Cameras
Old 03-16-2015   #1
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Show off your Leica Wartime IIIb IIIc Cameras

Share all wartime flavors, all wartime versions, and their lenses, accessories.

This thread can become a valuable reference tool.

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Old 03-16-2015   #2
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My Wartime IIIc cameras.


L to R:
1942 IIIc with Summar
1941 IIIc "Red Curtain" with Summitar
1942 IIIc with Elmar (my main user)
1941 IIIc "Red Curtain" with Xenon, "Leica" has been scratched out from the top
1945 IIIc with Summitar (Sold to the US Army of the Occupation in August 1945

I have a IIIb with MOOLY motor drive, but just discovered I have not uploaded a photo of this thing anywhere. Will correct this soon.
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Old 03-17-2015   #3
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Old 03-17-2015   #4
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Old 03-17-2015   #5
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Here's a nice rare one, likely repainted a long time ago:



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Old 03-17-2015   #6
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Old 03-22-2015   #7
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Leica IIIb by Jerevan, on Flickr
Leica IIIb, serial 339184, issued 1939-1940 from a batch of 1000 cameras. Here with a 1951 Elmar and a Figosa strap.

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Old 04-03-2015   #8
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A second one, marked more by time and bad storage conditions than actual use:

Leica IIIb by Jerevan, on Flickr Leica IIIb, serial 349468, non-export model from a 1940 batch.

It has lost its case (on the back, the snap button has made a small mark in the vulcanite). It smells of what I think is tobacco. Some of the chrome has corroded (via contact with the leather case?). It sticks on speeds slower than 1/20 and on 1/1000s.

I wonder where it has been and who owned it?

I am hoping it is possible to rescue it and give some new life.
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Old 05-09-2015   #9
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interesting, do you know more about this shutter release button,? plain without the dot? (the one with the dot is more commonly seen)


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A second one, marked more by time and bad storage conditions than actual use:

Leica IIIb by Jerevan, on Flickr Leica IIIb, serial 349468, non-export model from a 1940 batch.

It has lost its case (on the back, the snap button has made a small mark in the vulcanite). It smells of what I think is tobacco. Some of the chrome has corroded (via contact with the leather case?). It sticks on speeds slower than 1/20 and on 1/1000s.

I wonder where it has been and who owned it?

I am hoping it is possible to rescue it and give some new life.
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Old 05-16-2015   #10
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interesting, do you know more about this shutter release button,? plain without the dot? (the one with the dot is more commonly seen)
I have no idea actually - neither of my two IIIb have the dot. I guess it is a later design idea.
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Old 07-25-2015   #11
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My July built 1945 ex-US Army Leica IIIC K with original matching Elmar f3.5/50mm lens with bakelite cap and a leitz OKARO rangefinder enhancement filter and 3 boxes of 1945 dated Kodak Super X-X film.

Enjoy!

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Old 07-25-2015   #12
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My July built 1945 ex-US Army Leica IIIC K with original matching Elmar f3.5/50mm lens with bakelite cap and a leitz OKARO rangefinder enhancement filter and 3 boxes of 1945 dated Kodak Super X-X film.

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Old 07-25-2015   #13
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my IIIc..... well used, well loved
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Old 07-28-2015   #14
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IIIc red curtain 374820, 1941/1942

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Old 12-10-2015   #15
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I still have my grandfather's war Leica sitting on a shelf. He was a wartime photographer in the Ministry of Propaganda in, well you guessed it, Nazi Germany. The camera has a swastica engraving.

Do you think it would be morally wrong if I get it restored and make pictures with it? What if I'd only make pictures of subjects the Nazis hated??
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Old 12-12-2015   #16
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Can you show a picture of the camera? I am curious on wich spot the swastika engraving is made.

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Old 01-09-2016   #17
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Leica 111c 1941-42 Red Blind

This 111c has been stored in it's case for the last 30 years !
needs a strip down and clean,lube ect.
The shutter looks OK but is bit slow in operation.

L1040456 by Dave Little, on Flickr

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Old 01-09-2016   #18
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I still have my grandfather's war Leica sitting on a shelf. He was a wartime photographer in the Ministry of Propaganda in, well you guessed it, Nazi Germany. The camera has a swastica engraving.

Do you think it would be morally wrong if I get it restored and make pictures with it? What if I'd only make pictures of subjects the Nazis hated??
70+ years later it's history, no moral element involved: post it!
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Old 01-09-2016   #19
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Leica 111c 1941-42 Red Blind

This 111c has been stored in it's case for the last 30 years !
needs a strip down and clean,lube ect.
The shutter looks OK but is bit slow in operation.
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Old 01-11-2016   #20
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Leica 111c 1941-42 Red Blind

I am trying to understand the following note on a French Leica date site
http://www.summilux.net/numeros/index.php

Le boîtier portant le numéro de série 373991 est un IIIc fabriqué en 1941


Note : Peut aussi avoir ŽtŽ fabriquŽ en 1942

What does the Can also have ŽtŽ fabriquŽ in 1942. mean?

It came with a 50/2 Summitar 1940
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What does the Can also have ŽtŽ fabriquŽ in 1942. mean?
That the number series allotted stretched over more than one year? And thus it could have been made in 41 or 42.
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That the number series allotted stretched over more than one year? And thus it could have been made in 41 or 42.
Thank you Jerevan for your quick reply
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Old 08-08-2016   #23
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my 111b hanging out at work with me

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Old 08-08-2016   #24
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Not a III, posted in the wrong thread.
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Old 09-14-2016   #25
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Nothing unusual or rare I'm afraid, just another red-blind 111c user.
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Old 10-03-2016   #26
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Hi,
Erik van Straaten asked me to post these photos here, I'm happy to follow his advise.
So, please, let's have a look on this camera, a IIIc issued to the German Nazi Luftwaffe in Berlin. This camera and matching lens was delivered at January 10th, 1941 to Berlin in accordance to the Leitz delivery book. The red shutter curtain is still there, camera works nicely. I've learned it's quite scarce to find a matching set.

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Old 10-03-2016   #27
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Thank you, Hermann, a great looking set. It is a miracle that the camera still works with the red blinds, usually these are very sticky nowadays.

Can you tell something about its history? Where did you find it, etc.

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Old 10-03-2016   #28
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Thank you, Hermann, a gerat looking set. It is a miracle that the camera still works with the red blinds, usually these are very sticky nowadays.

Can you tell something about its history? Where did you find it, etc.

Erik.
Erik, sure I can. When my publisher in PA started to discuss a book project with me about vintage Leica cameras, I started to read here and there. I saw a few posts on various forums, also here, of course. Because basically I have done coffee table books about historic weapons, the military cameras catched my eye. Than a dealer told me by coincidence that he has to offer such a camera with an interesting historical background, funnily for a low price. I have some contact to the company and they checked everything for me, so I bought it w/o hesitation. It's remarkable that the company still has all the delivery AND service books, so it's possible to learn a lot about a specific item. This can be the case here, but it's too early to speak about the person who probably once owned it, some proof is still needed.
I wondered myself that the camera is still in working condition. Service by Leica after war, they would have replaced the red "Ersatz" curtain, so it's a time capsule, which matches the dealers story.

Thank you for looking.
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Old 01-05-2017   #29
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Leica IIIc #378740, from a batch ( 378726-378742 ) shipped 2.9.1941, conversion to IIIf

Note the LE designation on the lens



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Old 01-05-2017   #30
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'41-42 IIIc 'stepper' red curtain #369814. Came with matching (uncoated) Summitar although it's sporting a post-war Elmar in this pc.

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Leica IIIc stepper

Here's a Leica IIIc "stepper" that I have. It came with a Canon Lens 50mm f:1.8 Canon Camera Co. Japan No.206201 and a FOCAL U.V. clear filter.

Everything appears to work, albeit the slower speeds are slower than I imagined. But I guess a Cleaning, Lubrication, and Adjustment should set things right-as-rain.

It also came with a Leica leather case that has the lens part sewn on upside down.

There are also matching "service numbers" on the bottom film rewind part and the inside of the bottom plate. I would really like to find out its original owner or at least where it was first delivered to.

This was one from a box of cameras that I salvaged from an estate. The only history I know about it is the owner was drafted into the RAF post-war (his employment during the war was considered crucial) and then worked as a radio tech doing aerial mapping all over the world: Middle East, Asia, and Europe and he was involved in the first survey of the North Sea oil fields.

The box also included a Kodak RetinetteSu IB (Made in Germany), a Zeiss Ikon CONTAFLEX I 861/02, a Canon AT-1, and a Minolta Maxxum 7000.

It also came with a vintage Weston Master II universal exposure meter, a Walz Universal Finder, and other bits'n bobs.
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Old 02-27-2017   #32
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This is the same camera as in post #30, now sporting different top and bottom plates, painted by Alan Starkie. The extra top and bottom plates were acquired a few years ago in a big pile of parts, and I was unable to find a stepper chassis to use them on, so I decided to use this camera instead, which now can appear as either chrome or black depending on the importance of the event.



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Old 03-24-2017   #33
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I was recently given this IIIc by my dad, who inherited it around 40 years ago. From what I can work out online, the Fl No. suggests it was made for the Luftwaffe - does anyone have a book to hand in which they can check the serial number? The serial number on the camera is 365884, and the number on the 5cm Elmar lens is 502052. From what I can gather online, those numbers give dates of 1940 and 1939 for the body and lens respectively.

It does look as though the rear of the top plate has been abraded, although I'm not sure it's enough to have removed an engraving. I think the screw in the top of the shutter speed dial must be a previous repair, and the threaded shutter button seems to be done kind of accessory - it unscrews with the shutter guard leading what looks like the original button below.



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Old 03-24-2017   #34
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368584 is the number of a IIIc from 1940, the lens is from 1939.

The soft release and the big screw into the speed dial can be parts of a flash synch device. I am not sure about that.

What does the paper say that is in the back of the case?

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Yeah, the release button and collar are a later 3rd party upgrade.
The bit on top of the speed dial is probably one of those aftermarket flash contacts that works in conjunction with a button or contact in the accessoiry shoe.

The abbrasion on the back does look like something was cleared of...
Interesting piece of history. I have plenty of IIIc cameras, but no Luftwaffe marked ones.
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Old 03-24-2017   #36
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That's interesting. There is a brass tab under the screw, which rotates with the dial - would this be used as a contact? The bit of paper is just part of a 1990s film packet that I presume was left in there as a film reminder.
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I truly would appreciate it if someone can help me with some historical background of this IIIb made in 1938 and maybe a market value?

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Leica IIIb 1939-40

This is my Leica IIIb.
I like all the pre-war Barnack cameras especially the Leica II and the Leica IIIb.
However I read that the body of the Leica IIIb was considerably strengthened with internal stiffeners and the lens flange is secured to the body with brass inserts - a modification necessitated by the increased weight of some of the new telephoto lenses and by the tendency of the flanges of earlier models to warp (ref:Leica- A History illustrating every Model and Accessory by Paul Henry van Hasbroeck Page 82).
I use the heavier Nikkor LTM lenses so the Leica IIIb was my choice and it is a very nice camera to use.

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