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Kodak Retina IIa with Ultron 50/2 lens, is that true?
Old 07-26-2016   #1
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Kodak Retina IIa with Ultron 50/2 lens, is that true?

Just saw this Kodak Retina IIa with an Ultron 50/2 lens on it. Is this a real, or a fake? Is it yet another franken camera with the front element of another non Kodak camera?
If it is a real one is there any information online for retinas with such rare lenses?

Kodak Retina IIa with Ultron on ebay
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Old 07-26-2016   #2
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Nothing in McKeown's Guide, 2001-2002. A fake?
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Old 07-26-2016   #3
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That is what I have been thinking. I have found no information about Retinas with such lenses. It could be just the front element from another camera. From a Voigtlander Vitessa perhaps?
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Old 07-27-2016   #4
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The Seller does say that he has tested the shutter and the film transport, but not himself taken any photographs with the camera.

Hmmm ... so would it focus anwhere near the film plane ? Some thoughts:-

An Ultron intended for a Voigtlander Bessamatic (but that's not on its list in Camera-wiki, although there might have been another after-market offering ?) or similar ?
But the Retina body shown is a folding model, and has the final lens element behind the shutter, as expected.
I leave it to people with more specialist knowledge to judge what would be the values of a Retina body and an Ultron as separate items ...
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Old 07-27-2016   #5
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The equivalent Bessamatic lens is the 50mm f/2 Septon. An Ultron was never offered for it, at least, not officially.
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Ultron: Swap lenses of Vitessa A and Retina II (011)
Old 11-22-2016   #6
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Cool Ultron: Swap lenses of Vitessa A and Retina II (011)

Hi everyone, this is going to be a bit of a story but in the end I'll tell you a secret how to gain and use the best vintage camera you could possibly own today i.m.h.o: A Retina IIa with a Ultron lens in my opinion of course was never a regular combo as it simply hasn't ever been marketed like that. But: If you just read Mark Hansens comments about his expieriences with repairing those extremely complicated Voigtlander Vitessas - a fact I couldn't agree more to as well - one can easily imagine that someone who has seen the extraordinary results possible with an Ultron lens only once, its not surprising that someone who was fed up with fiddling had simply tried to put it on to a far more reliable body (today!) as the Kodak Retina for sure is! At least after I'd seen this one off camera offered on Ebay I immediately thought 'Wow, that's it!' and you guess it: I looked at my Kodak Retina II (Type 011) carrying a Schneider Xenon lens in a Compur Rapid shutter that's got lots of deep scratches by a cleaning maniac who owned my camera prior to me. I also knew that the very first Vitessas had a Compur Rapid Shutter also with an Ultron 2/ 50 mm lens in it. So what I did was simply to screw off BOTH elements of the Schneider lens, i.e. the front and the back lens and replace it with the font and back elements of my Vitessa A (!) This is not a cheap solution to come by if you must buy both cameras in the first place but its extremely rewarding in the end... just view my attached 'flowerchopper' foto....
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Hi everyone, this is going to be a bit of a story but in the end I'll tell you a secret how to gain and use the best vintage camera you could possibly own today i.m.h.o: A Retina IIa with a Ultron lens in my opinion of course was never a regular combo as it simply hasn't ever been marketed like that. But: If you just read Mark Hansens comments about his expieriences with repairing those extremely complicated Voigtlander Vitessas - a fact I couldn't agree more to as well - one can easily imagine that someone who has seen the extraordinary results possible with an Ultron lens only once, its not surprising that someone who was fed up with fiddling had simply tried to put it on to a far more reliable body (today!) as the Kodak Retina for sure is! At least after I'd seen this one off camera offered on Ebay I immediately thought 'Wow, that's it!' and you guess it: I looked at my Kodak Retina II (Type 011) carrying a Schneider Xenon lens in a Compur Rapid shutter that's got lots of deep scratches by a cleaning maniac who owned my camera prior to me. I also knew that the very first Vitessas had a Compur Rapid Shutter also with an Ultron 2/ 50 mm lens in it. So what I did was simply to screw off BOTH elements of the Schneider lens, i.e. the front and the back lens and replace it with the font and back elements of my Vitessa A (!) This is not a cheap solution to come by if you must buy both cameras in the first place but its extremely rewarding in the end... just view my attached 'flowerchopper' foto....
In the grand scheme of things, I would not consider a Kodak Retina II the epitome of reliability, but I suppose everything is relative in this world.
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This is just a Retina with the front element of the Ultron lens of a Voigtlander screwed on in. There has never been a Retina with an Ultron lens.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he was cooking up some nice "gold" Leica's for us next.
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who's just cooking up instead of using logics?
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who's just cooking up instead of using logics?

It's neither a matter of cooking up things nor trying to rival the holy grail of Leicas etc. but to anyone who has gained sound knowledge in restoring cameras it doesn't come as a surprise that the earliest Vitessa A and the first Retina II made after the War used exactly the same shutter type, the 'Compur Rapid' with identical threads for both lenses, the Xenon 2/50 and the Ultron 2/50. In addition and for reasons of diversification both companies also had differently priced lenses in their range, the Retinas had the Xenar 2,8/50 at the lower end and the Heligon 2/50 at the upper end while the Vitessas had the Skopar 2/50 at the lower end and the Ultron 2/50 at the upper end all fitting into the same standard thread. So why not take the best lens ever made and put it in a camera body that simply works more reliable than a Vitessa that still blocks film transport due to a hopelessly worn guide of the plunger despite total restoration...? Nothing more and nothing less as far as a useable hint I intended to share with others as I'm very happy with the result, so just take it or leave it...!
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The Vitessa is a lovely camera, I am quite happy using an Ultron lens attached to one. They're an unusual design, but all the better for it I think.
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Old 11-23-2016   #13
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"In the grand scheme of things, I would not consider a Kodak Retina II the epitome of reliability."

Well, there it is in a nut shell isn't it? The Kodak Ektars on the Ia Retinas were as good or better than the Ultrons anyway. Not as fast, but better IQ, and had a 3-D way of imaging like a Leica lens. Very, very sharp. The Xenon lenses are very good too. More for people shots, not as razor sharp as the Ektars. Some of my best Retina photos came from the bottom line Xenars.
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